Titan Labs

[lightspan]

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this is all a bit simplified, but should give you a flavor.

the upshot, you get the total dissolved solids (202 mg of "stuff") from total ion count, of that 202 mg of stuff, 68% of it is test e.

the final tale, 202 mg of stuff * .68 (the percentage of the "stuff" dissolved in the oil) gives you 137.4 mg of test e per ml of sample, or just around 50% dose, which correlates nicely with my bloodwork showing about 50% of what it should be (mine was 1940 ng.dl, should have been > 4000 ng.dl at 2.5 days post-injection).

for those of you who keep insisting ~2000 ng/dl is ok on ~ 600 mg a week, stop. you're wrong, we have multiple data sources and scally saying you're wrong. stop it.

pm me if you have other questions. there are details that are not clear from the spectra, but the overall method is sound +/-10% in my estimation.

 

[flexx89]

thanks @lightspan

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

this is in the mass spec thread as well...


Ok, i've got a few minutes, so let me explain the spectra. First off, you do not figure in "displacement" of the test in the oil, sorry @MANWHORE. The compound dissolves in the oil, the volume delta is assumed to be zero for practical purposes. it is not zero, but it is negligible.

for the test e sample: 10microliters is dissolved into a know amount of chloroform (1.5 ml), and the sample in chloroform is injected into the mass spec. the mass spec has a very short column on the front end ("Waters") prior to the ionization chamber. that short column crudely separates the contents of the sample. bb, ba and oil blow through, and compound is shown as a peak or peaks. thus, in the spectrum you see one of more peaks, those are the "stuff" in the oil, the powder, whatever it is. the "stuff" is ionized, accelerted through the instrument field, and are detected as ions impacting the detector. molcular weight in "TOF" (time of flight) is determined by how long it takes the charged compound to travel the length of the ion trap.

if you look at the spectra, there are two numbers, one is "TIC" or total ion count. that is all the "stuff" that hit the detector. for the Benzyl alcohol, benzyl benzoate, oil chloroform you "tell" the instrument basically not to look for low molecular weight crap like that (not scan less than a certain mw). the sample contains 202 mg of "stuff" based on total ion count.

there are two peaks in the first spectrum, those peaks are the "stuff" one peak is test e, the other is whatever else is in the sample.

continued...

this is all a bit simplified, but should give you a flavor.

the upshot, you get the total dissolved solids (202 mg of "stuff") from total ion count, of that 202 mg of stuff, 68% of it is test e.

the final tale, 202 mg of stuff * .68 (the percentage of the "stuff" dissolved in the oil) gives you 137.4 mg of test e per ml of sample, or just around 50% dose, which correlates nicely with my bloodwork showing about 50% of what it should be (mine was 1940 ng.dl, should have been > 4000 ng.dl at 2.5 days post-injection).

for those of you who keep insisting ~2000 ng/dl is ok on ~ 600 mg a week, stop. you're wrong, we have multiple data sources and scally saying you're wrong. stop it.

pm me if you have other questions. there are details that are not clear from the spectra, but the overall method is sound +/-10% in my estimation.

I won't lie, I'm freaking lost.. But this sounds right..

 

[pumpingiron22]

Ok. Weighed 10 then 30, then 50. Pretty much all came out to 0.262g +/-.001g

I'm curious about this as Titan had sad his Var was overdosed. I made a decision based on that statement. I've had these stashed away for future use as I'm currently on a cycle. Wish I could say the same for the Test P. My Test E is sitting in the storage locker looking very suspect and guilty. The other UGL vials have even moved away from it.

[emoji106]

 

[Titanlabs]

Ok guys as of now I'm going to say the results seem ambiguous based on a few interpretations I have heard. I sent this info to someone with a chem degree for it to be read and they were uncertain of the actual results because of lack of labeling. Basically it comes down to if the final number (so 202mg) for the TE is the active ingredient.

We overdosed the oils as we do all our compounds. Take it as a lie or truth but there is more than 202mg worth of "stuff" dissolved per mg of oil. Period. Which makes some sense that it would be around 202 active and 290 total powder.

Im going to have another person that is schooled in MS look at them and send me what they thing. The person that did the tests could probably answer this question if myth can ask them. Something doesn't add up to me when I read them so we are trying to figure that out.

So in the meantime there were orders placed this week and those will go out/we are working out a resolution with customers. As of tonight though, we suspended orders until we can get a clear read on the MS.

From there we will take issues up with customers via our email and make things right.

TL

 

[pumpingiron22]

So no order until matters are resolved correct? And will your customers be reimburse for the purchase they made?

 

[Ozzy619]

continued...

this is all a bit simplified, but should give you a flavor.

the upshot, you get the total dissolved solids (202 mg of "stuff") from total ion count, of that 202 mg of stuff, 68% of it is test e.

the final tale, 202 mg of stuff * .68 (the percentage of the "stuff" dissolved in the oil) gives you 137.4 mg of test e per ml of sample, or just around 50% dose, which correlates nicely with my bloodwork showing about 50% of what it should be (mine was 1940 ng.dl, should have been > 4000 ng.dl at 2.5 days post-injection).

for those of you who keep insisting ~2000 ng/dl is ok on ~ 600 mg a week, stop. you're wrong, we have multiple data sources and scally saying you're wrong. stop it.

pm me if you have other questions. there are details that are not clear from the spectra, but the overall method is sound +/-10% in my estimation.

Thanks LS, glad to have you in my court. Most of this is still over my head so its really good to have smart mofos like you and a few others to keep the UGLs on their toes.

 

[shamrockbear1]

The problem is no supplier mass specs there raws... To get an exact number because it adds $100 to every batch so you would have to buy a kilo of raws at a time to ensure consistency... I am more than willing to do this I have a test c powder get it mass specd if people were interested I would a raw sample and do like a group home brew.. I think this would ensure each product was on the money.

 

[devildog93]

I would be totally down for this and i think it is the easiest way to simplify things. Big batch of one product, sell it, done. Don't know how profitable it would be, but it would be a damn easy trail to follow if something got screwed up.

 

[pumpingiron22]

So what powder source are you using? there either bad or your not truly getting your ms done so which is it...

 

[showstoppa]

@pumpingiron22 who was that addressed to?

 

[whitefang]

It not looking so great for the prop guys. At first had oily skin seemed too dissipate no big change in libbido. Been pinning 150 per day. An on the eq maybe a little vascular change. Had good results on tren a. Should of ran anonther vial of tren an ended my cycle. Juss sucks bc im shut down an was counting on the test hormone.

 

[pumpingiron22]

To titan...

 

[vivame]

So what powder source are you using? there either bad or your not truly getting your ms done so which is it...

I don't think Titan has gotten any mass specs done until the one(s) he's doing now.

 

[Ozzy619]

It not looking so great for the prop guys. At first had oily skin seemed too dissipate no big change in libbido. Been pinning 150 per day. An on the eq maybe a little vascular change. Had good results on tren a. Should of ran anonther vial of tren an ended my cycle. Juss sucks bc im shut down an was counting on the test hormone.

That sucks man, super shitty to hear that.

 

[shamrockbear1]

Well I personally use a reseller from China its impossible to get a direct connection to the raws so I would assume they have been cut up, I personally have like 500 grams of test c... Lol I know enough for a lifetime ...

 

[Colt44]

You guys are probably using the same raw source.

 

[Trw008]

Ok guys as of now I'm going to say the results seem ambiguous based on a few interpretations I have heard. I sent this info to someone with a chem degree for it to be read and they were uncertain of the actual results because of lack of labeling. Basically it comes down to if the final number (so 202mg) for the TE is the active ingredient.

We overdosed the oils as we do all our compounds. Take it as a lie or truth but there is more than 202mg worth of "stuff" dissolved per mg of oil. Period. Which makes some sense that it would be around 202 active and 290 total powder.

Im going to have another person that is schooled in MS look at them and send me what they thing. The person that did the tests could probably answer this question if myth can ask them. Something doesn't add up to me when I read them so we are trying to figure that out.

So in the meantime there were orders placed this week and those will go out/we are working out a resolution with customers. As of tonight though, we suspended orders until we can get a clear read on the MS.

From there we will take issues up with customers via our email and make things right.

TL

It's easy to address the test e but you have nothing to say about people taking what they believe is prop but might as well be olive oil with enough test to shutdown their system replacing their natural test with an unhealthy low amount of test? What about the anavar that's 1/5 of what you're selling it as?

 

[mrtwister]

I don't post often, but this one got me. There is nothing ambiguous about any of this. LS explained it. You have 202mg/ml of the powder you used to cook your test e. That powder is 68% pure. Both of these numbers are needed to determine the overall potency of the product. If the powder was 100% pure, you would be dosed at 202mg/ml. But you're not. Of the powder you used, 68% is test, the other 32% is not. So you must determine what 68% of the 202 mg/ml is to find your overall potency. 202*.68=137.36. That means that 137.36mg/ml is test or 137.36/250=54.944%. A good time for the friend with the chem degree would have been before you started shipping. Now the experts on Meso have spoken and they have found your product lacking. You can line up friends of yours for miles to interpret the results, and they won't hold a candle to Myth and LS around here. Now on to the Prop and Var. Please address those, as their dosing seems to be far more an egregious mistake than the TE. The numbers are in and stalling won't hep you at all. Just once, I'd like to see someone around here show a little fucking character, own up for their mistake, and make it right. You have no idea how far that would go.

 

[muscular genius]

i sent an order to Titan and got a reply last night. basically its what he said in his last post, that he is suspending filling orders until he gets his MS analysis read and figured out.

at least he is honest and didnt string me along

MG