Titan Labs

[hunterbro]

Muscle Genius; the more you post, the more you sound retarded. Stfu already.

Mrtwister has this spot on. Waiting for Titan now.

 

[Titanlabs]

So no order until matters are resolved correct? And will your customers be reimburse for the purchase they made?

that is correct. Now, as I have stated to one vet, I know everyone thinks we roll around in $100 bills but this is not the case. We put 80-90% of our gross back into our setup so its not feasible to do cash refund. Period. That said, we do have other raws from a different recommended supplier that just came in early. They were supposed to be here next monday but flew through customs with no problems.

SO. Im having someone with a PhD in chemistry read the results today. IF that concentration number is "mg of stuff per ml" then I have a very serious problem with it because we overdosed it, not underdosed it, based on powder weight. There is no way in hell I would try and save $.50 per vial by underdosing.

However, if that is mg of active and the MS is taking oil/solvents into account for purity then we have a different result.

My supplier was understandably upset and said the same thing. He is sending me his MS results for whatever its worth which is, albeit not much. I still want to see them.

Surprisingly enough, Ive been flooded with emails from customers saying they think the MS was interpreted incorrectly because of the results they are getting (specifically with prop and var) and there is no way its dosed that low.

Going along with that(^), I wanted LS's thoughts. I know he started his cycle with our prop and at some point switched to astro's. Assuming astro is correctly dosed (which I think we can), if ours really was 22mg/ml then he would have seen DRASTIC changes going from 70mg/wk (22mg eod) to ~350mg/wk (100mg eod). I only ask because of all the emails I received.

Either way, I want a professional to read them. If they are what people are currently assuming them to be, then (starting now), people have until next friday to email us (not PM) and let us know the products they purchased and we will work things out individually with each customer so we can get things resolved quickly. We should have enough new raws to replace things and cyp to replace the E.

TL

 

[Trw008]

Once again it's the testers fault.

A member gets bloods and his bloods match the mass spec results of 50% and he labmaxed it as we'll and guessed around 50%. I guess it's the blood testers fault and labmax isn't always perfect and now mass spec must have something up with it. But your friend is going to come back showing its overdosed.

Guys, reject tests and trust the sources anecdotal experience and friends.

 

[devildog93]

Again sources, maybe test your shit before sending it out? Would that be crazy? If it adds 3 bucks to every bottle isn't it worth it? Try to maybe send out the product you claim. It is no one's fault but your own if you didn't know what was in it and at what level.

 

[muscular genius]

Muscle Genius; the more you post, the more you sound retarded. Stfu already.

Mrtwister has this spot on. Waiting for Titan now.

i dont know what crawled up ur snatch to piss u off but fuck u.

more than likely i was in the gym when u were still shitting green in ur fucking pampers. so have some fucking respect!

 

[inkandmuscle]

[QUOTE="Titanlabs, post: 1085074, member: 66497
Going along with that(^), I wanted LS's thoughts. I know he started his cycle with our prop and at some point switched to astro's. Assuming astro is correctly dosed (which I think we can), if ours really was 22mg/ml then he would have seen DRASTIC changes going from 70mg/wk (22mg eod) to ~350mg/wk (100mg eod). I only ask because of all the emails I received.

Either way, I want a professional to read them. If they are what people are currently assuming them to be, then (starting now), people have until next friday to email us[/QUOTE]
(starting now) as in right now? or when ms come back?

 

[pumpingiron22]

Thank you for your honesty. But I think only fair to cough up your old powder source who failed. So we can add it to the list....

 

[showstoppa]

Titan at the end of this you definitely should give uo the powder source.

 

[hunterbro]

i dont know what crawled up ur snatch to piss u off but fuck u.
more than likely i was in the gym when u were still shitting green in ur fucking pampers. so have some fucking respect!

You read the thread. You comprehend his gear is underdosed or bunk. He says he wont sell anymore. So you decide to contact him and try to buy anyways AND tell us about it because you admit you're desperate. AND THEN... you wonder why I think you are retarded. How fucking dumb are you? Oh, and my first cycle was in1990, so fuck you back.

Titan, inkandmuscle asked already, but I'm also wondering. Now? Or when you get the MS read again? Your post wasn't clear on this. Please clarify.

 

[inkandmuscle]

Titan said guys who've bought the test e have till next Friday to email him to get replacements, has anybody heard back from him on this?
I've emailed him so I'll post when I hear back

 

[Titanlabs]

Havent gotten to all emails tonight. The last round of packs went out today, ship confirmations will be sent tomorrow.

The replacement of products was pending a clear reading and understanding of the MS...I had someone with a PhD in chem read them today and this is what she said...

"Ok...


It looks like the purity is being calculated from intensities or peak areas. On p.5 there are three chromatograms, the top is an extracted ion chromatogram of the 2M+1 peak. The middle is an extracted ion chromatogram of the M+1 peak and the bottom is the total ion chromatogram. There are two numbers at the top right of each chromatogram. The first is the extracted mass and the second could either be intensities or peak areas. Normally this number is intensity and since they don't specify I would assume it's intensity. They are saying purity= ((intensity M+1)+[(intensity 2M+1)])/[(intensity TIC)+(area 2M+1)]. I guess they are wanting to know the purity based on the M+1 peak.


As for the concentration, they must be comparing this to a standard. You can't just inject something and get a concentration. You would inject a known concentration and compare the peak area of your unknown concentration to the peak area of the known concentration. So it seems like some information is missing to be able to do that calculation based on the pdf you sent. The purity calculation is not taking anything into account other than the intensities from the chromatograms. The purity and concentration calculations should be independent of each other."

So as of now I think the data is incomplete as it stands based on that read. Im going to look into it more and if the way it is being interpreted by meso members is correct, then we will ship out the replacements.

Ill go over some things and update tomorrow.

TL

 

[Gettinbigger76]

Thank god I never ordered from you. You just confirmed being shady as fuck.. So replacements were contingent on a "clear reading and understanding" now YOUR friend with a phd says it's inconclusive?? How convenient!!! Well, I guess YOUR friend is the end all be all!! I guess blood work means shit if it's not in your favor. Congrats, you're officially done here, but you could give two fucks.. You made your money and you'll just pop up again under a different name and around we go...

 

[Gettinbigger76]

Hey, I just had my friend with a PhD read your post and they said you're a compulsive liar, sociopathic bitch that likes to steal peoples hard earned money....

 

[boston597]

Guys don't jump my shit.I have been working 7pm.7am for a couple weeks I tried to scroll threw to get my question answered but I'm about to crash.hitting the gym hard and working my ass off.has anyone done this guys cyp.when I have a few min I'll let ya know how I got it..basicly a mistake on TL.

 

[Titanlabs]

Thank god I never ordered from you. You just confirmed being shady as fuck.. So replacements were contingent on a "clear reading and understanding" now YOUR friend with a phd says it's inconclusive?? How convenient!!! Well, I guess YOUR friend is the end all be all!! I guess blood work means shit if it's not in your favor. Congrats, you're officially done here, but you could give two fucks.. You made your money and you'll just pop up again under a different name and around we go...

No this is not at all what I am saying. Im saying that I know a little about mass specs but I, like most people, am not trained in using them, reading them, and knowing the equations and formulas for them.

I am waiting to get in touch with angus to see if he can piece together missing info but I have had several people tell me that, based on those results, they are incomplete (for the reason she said) as you need a standard to compare to.

So if anyone is trained in them, its the opportunity for them to say yes, what she said is correct or no, what she said is not correct because of x, y, and z.

I dont really think that wanting a clear reading and understanding of test results by someone trained in that form of testing is all that unreasonable.

Im not at all trying to wrong anyone and will reimburse customers if the results are what they have been interpreted by members to be.

 

[Gettinbigger76]

No this is not at all what I am saying. Im saying that I know a little about mass specs but I, like most people, am not trained in using them, reading them, and knowing the equations and formulas for them.

I am waiting to get in touch with angus to see if he can piece together missing info but I have had several people tell me that, based on those results, they are incomplete (for the reason she said) as you need a standard to compare to.

So if anyone is trained in them, its the opportunity for them to say yes, what she said is correct or no, what she said is not correct because of x, y, and z.

I dont really think that wanting a clear reading and understanding of test results by someone trained in that form of testing is all that
unreasonable.

Im not at all trying to wrong anyone and will reimburse customers if the results are what they have been interpreted by members to be.

While I respect you not taking the bait and answering without being defensive , the fact still remains that it's pretty obvious that the purity is not what it should be. The blood work alone is proof of that, but the MS backed the bloods as well. So when you say you're having your friend with a PHD analyze them or some other excuse, it comes off as nothing more than a stall tactic.. If you're truly in this for the long hall, just concede what we already know and do the right thing. Anything else is unacceptable

 

[whitefang]

What i get from it is that the purity can be not as well as we would like but the concentration would be exactly what the vial states and i beleive we are runing in the issue that the concentration is well below what the vial states

 

[Ragnar]

I looked at the MS results last night when I was half asleep, but did I see that the var came back at 2.3%?!?!

Its possible I misread that, but why has this not been addressed?!?

EDIT: Just checked again yeah I was right 2.3%

I suppose this explains why the sides went away when I switched to TL....

 

[hotdog23]

I think 2.3% anavar of the whole tab. If the tab weighed 1000mg, which it doesn't, that would be 20mg of anavar in it. My interpretation

 

[Ragnar]

I think 2.3% anavar of the whole tab. If the tab weighed 1000mg, which it doesn't, that would be 20mg of anavar in it. My interpretation

Hmm valid point
I'll pull out my scale and do some math.

But that will still be low and would explain the no sides thing....