T-Bagger
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What are we going to do now Napoleon?
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The way I am understanding your scenario might be wrong but as I am iterpreting, what you're saying is incorrect.
Let me know if this is what you're saying:
Say I have 3000 total T with 10 free T. All other factors remain the same and free T goes up to 20. You're saying my total T of 3000 will be reduced to whatever degree?
If that's what you're saying then it's not correct. Total test is a measure of Free T + bioavailable T + T bound to SHBG. It measures it all. If free T goes up this doesn't change the total amount of T, just the individual ratios of each kind of T that makes up the total while keeping the total the same. You are confusing testosterone action with its metabolism. Testosterone metabolism is an independent process of its state, i.e., whether it's bound or not.
I wonder if that little tidbit has dawned upon him lol
MisterSuperGod
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That one never gets old to me.
Roger rabbit
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Nope not what I'm saying. Lol.
I'm saying that when the body is using the testosterone in its most efficient form the numbers can result lower than what people expect it to come back.
If the testosterone is being metabolized or used in its most efficient form meaning that when the bioavailability, free test and in general any test that is not bound is being used to its fullest potential the scores will result in a lower number than one might expect it to come back at.
Total test is total test on a paper. This is true and not being questioned [emoji23][emoji23]
insertnamehere
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No reply, so either it hasn't dawned on him and he's still in bewilderment or it has and he's decided to bow out.
Either way, I haven't been drowned in a tsunami of tears from a 1000 butt-hurts so that's a good sign. lol
So levels can come back lower, because testosterone is being utilized more efficiently? E.g. its building muscle and all the other biological good stuff we expect it to do, therefore not registering as bound or free, almost like it's spent?
Roger rabbit
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Pretty much the jist of it. [emoji106]
The point at the time was people put too much weight in each individual blood. My bloods are not going to come back the same as yours on the same dosage and same brand. Your body will utilize the testosterone in a much different manner than mine. Wether that is being more efficient at using it, keeping it bound up, or simply metabolizing it faster. Either way , results will vary.
Yeah I'm still pretty much in shock. You nailed it.
Heres a TRT bloodtest from a few years ago , on 100mg Watson test-c/wk .
473ng total test seems low but my Doc pointed out my 119 free test looked really good .
Notice my SHBG is low normal ...
473ng total test seems low but my Doc pointed out my 119 free test looked really good .
Notice my SHBG is low normal ...
T-Bagger
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But for the TRT vs TSL on the same person, levels should have been comparable, no?
insertnamehere
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Assuming TSL's product is accurately dosed and if the same pinning and blood draw protocols were followed for both, the numbers should be fairly close.
insertnamehere
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I think I remember you being a "low responder." When was your blood drawn relative to last pin? Do you pin the 100 mg once a week or 50mg twice a week?
Roger rabbit
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This is kinda my point. That high free testosterone means your body is able to utilize the testosterone efficiently. Your shbg is low which allows for this to happen.
Roger rabbit
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Yes I believe they should have for sure!
Tsl excuse was total garbage. The experiment was the same and controlled. 750mg was taken at the same time each week and bloods were pulled the same amount of hours in between.
Thats the point my Doc was trying to make . Dont worry about the total test , worry if the free test starts getting lower (becoming SHBG bound)...
G2Ready
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@Roger rabbit no I didn't misinterpret.....
We already talked about everyone's numbers are individual......
But if individual takes
X MG of Testostrone
And pins and takes blood test -- the individual's blood levels are not gonna have a "significant"change
How someone metabolize's testosterone -- is how it is....
Dude took a blood test-- 6 weeks later he was metabolizing testostrone faster?
Total T is total T---
Very individual--- slight increases or decreases normal
But if every 6 weeks your trt dose was changing something is WRONG...
Edit: IMO
Roger rabbit
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I think we are on two different pages here my man.
Total T IS TOTAL T- correct.
Why would your trt dose change every 6 weeks?
Once you get it dialed in?
Perhaps we are talking about two different discussions because I'm confused now to be honest. Which dude are talking about? If you are talking about @deepwater1987 we already established those numbers shouldn't have had that big of a swing from tsl and pharma. But again I'm lost on what we are even talking about now.
G2Ready
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I was confirming with @Docd187123 that total T does not change (lower) in relation to free test (higher) for THE INDIVIDUAL
U TAGGED ME IN SAYING I MISINTERPRETED.... so what are you talking about?
T-Bagger
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@Roger rabbit since we're talking Test levels....
I pinned 500 mg of Test and not even 24 hours later I had my blood drawn to check my Test - free and total. My doctor just called me back and said my levels were at 1131. How can I determine what my base levels are, or can I? I didn't think it would kick in that fast. I front loaded the 500 mg and that was my initial dose.
@Brolloks, you mentioned something about a Test calculator?
I pinned 500 mg of Test and not even 24 hours later I had my blood drawn to check my Test - free and total. My doctor just called me back and said my levels were at 1131. How can I determine what my base levels are, or can I? I didn't think it would kick in that fast. I front loaded the 500 mg and that was my initial dose.
@Brolloks, you mentioned something about a Test calculator?
