Sworder
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Yes, I knew that. I know you are smart enough to know that Labmax is shit. Do the other members know it's shit?
The point I have stated before. First of all, HPLC/MS on one vial, what does that tell you? How does that enlighten you? Does it extend to that vial, batch or the entire lab?
To me it seems like it's creating an illusion that the lab is good, and as long as a lab can get ONE good HPLC/MS then they are "reliable" so it is creating a false sense of security. What do you feel is enlightening you now versus "the dark ages" and to which extent does it apply? One vial, batch, or the entire lab?
Yes, the GETM concern is raised because I know first hand that gear was really fucking good in the beginning. I am sure that a HPLC/MS would show that as well from them in the start. For entertainment purposes, let's say we got a good HPLC/MS from GETM when they first got on the board. The sales go up and under the false presumption of an initial HPLC/MS people will IGNORE that the gear may be bad because there is paperwork showing the gear is good. If you do repeated tests of a lab or not I don't know. And like I have said before, nobody on this board is free of conflict of interest. I am getting accused of "being a lab" or "distorting the testing here because I want to sell." Do you feel that belonging to a steroid forum qualifies you to fall under the category of having a conflict of interest? I feel everybody on this board has a conflict of interest. If Millard posted an HPLC/MS of a lab I would consider his posts shit as well because there is a conflict of interest. I cannot prove with 100% certainty that there is nothing going on behind the curtain therefore any information presented is interpreted as bullshit or possible skewed. Find a 3rd party that doesn't have a conflict of interest in this matter and I would consider it legit, for that vial.
I am asking questions nobody has asked before, I will continue to inform people of flaws in testing due to the overwhelming "testing proves my gear is good." Kind of like in a court of law, there needs to be two parties presenting their case. Mine is that of a logical fashion. Do you feel most of my posts in regards to this matter are illogical? Am I making statements or raising concerns which are not logical? Or do you feel that I am looking at the testing and thinking, what does it really tell me and to what extent can I apply it?
I feel my concerns are legitimate and obviously they are as they are getting responses and people are shutting up as they see the logical fallacies in their reasoning.
You can continue to be perplexed as even if I said that I have no vested interest, isn't that what somebody with a vested interest would say?
Don't trust anybody, trust logic. It was good that Millard removed the Vet status as it was being abused. Form your own opinion and always ask WHY.
I am using logical thinking to come to my deductions. "Ok, this test showed that the vial is good, how about the vial I am getting in the mailbox?"
I do not believe my efforts are in vain and even if they were, the community was informed of a different point of view. This is my point of view:
Labmax is shit, it's the most inaccurate test being used and tons of people are throwing gear away because they think that the results shown in the test are supposed to be accurate. As stated, if you have 10mg of a hormone in a vial, does that really make you happy? I can state that you know it is a piece of shit testing as well that shouldn't be continued AT ALL. If I am wrong please state otherwise.
HPLC/MS is a great way to test, I also believe the rest of the chemicals in the oil should be identified so we know exactly what is in that vial. That information to me is very valuable but the community only cares about the mg of a hormone. The most logical and most important thing to me is "WTF are those other chemicals?" is the contents of this one vial potentially LETHAL?
But like I stated, HPLC/MS applies to one vial, it creates a false sense of security and when a lab knows they posted "legit" HPLC/MS I think that the event of turning scam mode would increase. What are your thoughts on that?
I have also mentioned the perfect scenario of testing that would be considered legit in my opinion. Lab X presents how much powder of Y hormone he has. He labels the vials with unique numbers also referring to the batch. For example if I have 100 grams of tren ace, I would name the batch "Batch 001" and then there would be 100 vials numbered 1-100. Then the next batch is quantified and labeled, for example I have 200grams of tren ace and the batch "Batch 002" with unique numbers 101-201. The HPLC/MS would then apply to a batch at the very least.
And even with this, in my opinion, perfect scenario you are relying on somebody who has a huge conflict of interest. The lab is telling you what you want to hear. The testing should be done by a 3rd party without a conflict of interest.
IMO, the testing here IF the HPLC/MS is correct applies to one vial. It creates a false sense of security for upcoming vials being sold. And as I have mentioned, nobody seems to be interested in what the other chemicals in the oil is besides X mg of Y hormone, to me that is just plain stupid. Basically that is saying that as long as a vial shows that it only has one hormone+ester at a certain concentration it is good to go. No regard for what the rest of the vial contains that can kill you. I see extensive measures and money spent on testing which doesn't apply to the vials you will receive and as stated it creates a false sense of security.
As I stated with the DNP, if a lab is tested for the content of DNP in a capsule and it is shown as "underdosed" @ 188mg and then the next consumer uses that information to dose his DNP cycle that may result in an overdose as he thought the initial test applied to his capsule as well. Which it certainly does not.
Either way, these are just my opinions and my point of view. If you want to discredit them as being delusions or having no context in the discussion just ignore it. Let Sworder be a clown as CBS states.
I am not here to make friends, I am not here to have somebody jerk me off while I jerk them off. I consider you a friend but I will not jerk you off because of it, nor do I expect to be jerked off by somebody else just because they are my friend on the board.
Do I feel that circle jerking is detrimental? Yes, it creates a thorn in the jerking so that an inability to cum occurs. Attack my words, my arguments, my points, my discussion, it's all fair game and that is what makes discussions valuable. Thousands of people reading a post and commenting on it in an unbiased way. Circle jerking leads to bias and has the potential to withhold valid points. I am not accusing you, Dr Jim, of circle jerking.
In the past and present you have had valid points which oppose the popular opinion, and it is beneficial. If humans didn't oppose the popular opinion we would still think the world is flat.
Even CBS can make a comment and I will read the content of which he is posting and try to make sense of it. Information or opinions are subjective and here is mine. Why do you feel my rejection of the testing is detrimental? Are my points not valid?
I am sorry and if you consider this a nuisance I do want to contribute to threads on the flaws of testing. If my statements isn't valid they will get no credit anyway. Idiocy filters itself out.
CBS: Good job! Keep following suit of how I instructed you to respond to arguments.
DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT
DO NOT DISCUSS WHAT IS PRESENTED, MAKE HUMOROUS COMMENTS, CHANGE THE SUBJECT BUT ALWAYS
DEFLECT DEFLECT DEFLECT
Sworder is a clown is the proper way to write it? I sincerely complimented you on your English skills because it is something I could improve on. And you go and write this... I am disappointed CBS..
Going to bed, happy Easter to all.
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