Valiant labs

[Iron_Yuppie]

Did we miss the question I had about OPSEC?

Quick history lesson: there was a lab that was held in high regard by some members here. Private(ish) source. Came here, made a good intro, had a following, testing, pictures, everything you’d want. But his OPSEC was lousy. He had been sourcing somewhere that was 100% keeping a record of all conversations. He folded his whole operation because it was pointed out to him that he was compromised. Dude would have printed money here. Instead he’s a cautionary tale. Moral of the story? Explain your OPSEC and your process to keep personal data safe or expect to be asked this question many, many more times. You can have the best gear in the world but if you’re running your operation with an Excel spreadsheet and your work laptop nobody is going to buy from you. You’re asking people to commit mail and wire fraud in order to give you money. Maybe explaining how you’re protecting everyone involved is a useful idea?

 

[valiant]

better than the other one..
missing information:
I have to include it. If i cant edit do I just create another post?
- shipping in general (domestic, reship policy,..)
- payment options
- labs for finished products (if available? if not, comment why)
...

 

[valiant]

I was gonna tell you to fuck off back to sst, but it seems like you are trying...sorta kinda.
So, if you want an education, read the tripleb thread. It was suggested to you before, but you didnt do it and still made a second intro. Go read it. take notes. All you need to know is in it. You are getting solid suggestions already, but after the months long barbender experience, people are probably tired of the hand holding.
Good Luck

I read it I see what youre saying. so do I make a new thread? or do I just comment the new details on the old thread? also what are some things you would recommend to put on there or to change. I want to just calm it all down and build a good relationship on here. The getting heckled doesnt bother me just makes me want to work at making those brothers happy. hope all is well and thank you

 

[muscletrain]

You need to send in literally every product to someone like Janoshik for HPLC testing not post some fucking 2 year old HPLC testing that look like they come directly from your own raw supplier. That carries zero weight around here.

2019 generic HPLC lab reports and a "haha quality is the same!" is not a guarantee, how the fuck do you know the quality at all? Have you ever sent your own finished vials off for testing? Or the raws? Or do you just take the HPLC results from your source at face value.

How do you know you're getting the finished product dosing correct on your batches without doing your own testing?

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I read it I see what youre saying. so do I make a new thread? or do I just comment the new details on the old thread? also what are some things you would recommend to put on there or to change. I want to just calm it all down and build a good relationship on here. The getting heckled doesnt bother me just makes me want to work at making those brothers happy. hope all is well and thank you

If you read Trips entire thread you can see exactly where business changed in the positive direction. You have a model laid out for you so we’re not going to waste time coaching you up.

If you read Trips thread you’ll also see MESO is different than SST. Guys aren’t going to buy from you just cause you have vials. And blood testing is bullshit. That’s a dinosaur method. Send your stuff for HPLC testing. Pretty simple.

 

[SkankHunt]

At least he has a good attitude.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

At least he has a good attitude.

Ra-ra

 

[shackleford]

I read it I see what youre saying. so do I make a new thread? or do I just comment the new details on the old thread? also what are some things you would recommend to put on there or to change. I want to just calm it all down and build a good relationship on here. The getting heckled doesnt bother me just makes me want to work at making those brothers happy. hope all is well and thank you

You're a fast reader... but ok. Theres alot you can implement, just from seeing tripleb's initial failures. And as @BigBaldBeardGuy said, you can see the tone of the thread change drastically when tripleb starts making the much needed changes.

But in case you are still lost, you have members here already in your thread telling you what to do.

As @muscletrain pointed out, testing is huge here. Not test results from your source though. We dont trust your source. we dont trust you. and you shouldnt trust your source either. Get the raws tested so you can brew accurately, no blind overdosing, youre supposed to be a professional. Then, send your finished batch to be tested, confirming your properly dosed gear.

Post the results. And see that the initial investment in testing will more than pay for itself.

Offer testing reimbursements for members. Not many will take you up on this offer, but some will. It will hold you accountable, but also increase buyer confidence in your product. Again, a small investment to improve customer relations and sales.

Testing is only one thing. But its a starting point.

You seem genuinely interested in succeeding here. It'll take some time and money, alot of patience. But keep a positive attitude, hear what the members ask for, and you might do well here.

 

[Liska]

As @muscletrain pointed out, testing is huge here. Not test results from your source though. We dont trust your source. we dont trust you. and you shouldnt trust your source either. Get the raws tested so you can brew accurately, no blind overdosing, youre supposed to be a professional.

To elaborate on this, get your raws tested by someone like Janoshik with decent standards (literally). Chinese testers don't use this method, hence those results aren't too useful, especially not for brewing accurately dosed gear.

 

[shackleford]

To elaborate on this, get your raws tested by someone like Janoshik with decent standards (literally). Chinese testers don't use this method, hence those results aren't too useful, especially not for brewing accurately dosed gear.

Good point. I forgot to mention, we have several testing options right here at meso. You are encouraged to use one of them.

 

[SkankHunt]

Oh and tits.

 

[valiant]

To elaborate on this, get your raws tested by someone like Janoshik with decent standards (literally). Chinese testers don't use this method, hence those results aren't too useful, especially not for brewing accurately dosed gea

You're a fast reader... but ok. Theres alot you can implement, just from seeing tripleb's initial failures. And as @BigBaldBeardGuy said, you can see the tone of the thread change drastically when tripleb starts making the much needed changes.

But in case you are still lost, you have members here already in your thread telling you what to do.

As @muscletrain pointed out, testing is huge here. Not test results from your source though. We dont trust your source. we dont trust you. and you shouldnt trust your source either. Get the raws tested so you can brew accurately, no blind overdosing, youre supposed to be a professional. Then, send your finished batch to be tested, confirming your properly dosed gear.

Post the results. And see that the initial investment in testing will more than pay for itself.

Offer testing reimbursements for members. Not many will take you up on this offer, but some will. It will hold you accountable, but also increase buyer confidence in your product. Again, a small investment to improve customer relations and sales.

Testing is only one thing. But its a starting point.

You seem genuinely interested in succeeding here. It'll take some time and money, alot of patience. But keep a positive attitude, hear what the members ask for, and you might do well here.

thank you. I will take the steps to correct it. Do I make a new thread when I have all this situated ? I’m going to be guided by be suggestions and concerns of the members of this forum.

 

[valiant]

I had it tested by him. But that was for sst. Gonna do it with a fresh batch. And post it. I’ll be more in depth and take the advice you guys are giving. Thank you.

 

[shackleford]

Update this same thread with your progress.

 

[M@NU]

I had it tested by him. But that was for sst. Gonna do it with a fresh batch. And post it. I’ll be more in depth and take the advice you guys are giving. Thank you.

and i would advice you to test every raw that you will use, not just one.
For finished products, either also test them or cover the testing fee from members

 

[MadBret]

We frown on sources making multiple threads. It would be better for you to just continue to make your improvements in your original thread.

However, once you get some acceptable testing done on your raws and your finished products, you could start a new thread in the testing section dedicated to your brand. As yourself and customers get testing done, it's nice to have them documented all in one place that is easy to find. And if testing comes back good, it will certainly help with your sales. Good luck.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

I had it tested by him. But that was for sst. Gonna do it with a fresh batch. And post it. I’ll be more in depth and take the advice you guys are giving. Thank you.

Don’t forget batch numbers. It would be a good idea to label your sample that way. Dont put the product name but you can identify it as “oil 1 batch 105”

No lie, once you offer good tested gear, the demand for your products will be at least 10x what it is now. Better be ready.

 

[muscletrain]

I had it tested by him. But that was for sst. Gonna do it with a fresh batch. And post it. I’ll be more in depth and take the advice you guys are giving. Thank you.

you seem receptive so that's a positive, like @BigBaldBeardGuy said if you get it right Meso will literally 10 fold your sales its kind of a no brainer to get right if you're a legit seller and the investment in testing is worth it.

1) Get your FINISHED OILS and raws tested by @janoshik as well as your HGH
2) Offer testing credit for users
3) Absolutely do NOT drag this thread on for 3+ months like Triple B did saying testing is taking some time, send them to jano, do not use USPS as it takes forever.

We will definitely call your ass out if you just keep bumping your thread with sales information/updates while "testing is in progress". Trips held off on proper testing for 3-4 months and it's absolute bullshit. Realistically in Meso eyes no one should be selling at all without proper batch testing, but we can't control that. If you do batches and actually show batch testing you elevate yourself to the levels of bigger tier of providers. People are already injecting UGL chinese raws they want to know the purity and dosage are atleast right.

Now that that's over I'm sure you can PM him and see how he's doing now, I guarantee after following our advice he is rolling in sales now. People say we are "mean" to sources but we are literally giving out free crash courses on how to do it right including opsec etc.

 

[Iron_Yuppie]

Describe. Your. Fucking. Opsec. Third time now, dude. I get the impression that it’s not important to you, but it damn sure is important to ME.

 

[UpNorth]

Describe. Your. Fucking. Opsec. Third time now, dude. I get the impression that it’s not important to you, but it damn sure is important to ME.

First rule of security, don't explain it over an open forum?