johnnyBALLZ
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2-3x bloodwork right here, just posted:
https://thinksteroids.com/community...lc-ms-4-18-15-labcorb.134364761/#post-1275626
You suck, you think you're going to make some type of comeback here?? No way, Jose..
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
[Voodoo] [Test P] [blood work LC/MS] [2015-04] [labcorp]
- Thread starter Fouts
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2-3x bloodwork right here, just posted:
https://thinksteroids.com/community...lc-ms-4-18-15-labcorb.134364761/#post-1275626
You suck, you think you're going to make some type of comeback here?? No way, Jose..
tmac34
Member
Been running Voodoo prop 150mg EOD for the last few weeks or more and little or no PIP. Probably won't get BW for a while, but how I feel positively aligns with Fouts' number - if that means anything.
MANWHORE
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7X is what I also got so that seems to
be the normal for the Prop raws since Bigmesc got about 7X from other batch..
My fiend got 7X and now this..
I knew it was good when I brewed it but you
see how fast I was to give out more free stuff when Heisen faked his bloods..
If I am not sure with bloods of my own to prove to
me then I wont lie about it which is why I questioned my own
brew from a faked blood test..
Wont happen again cause now I will have my own bloods to prove to me..
M
be the normal for the Prop raws since Bigmesc got about 7X from other batch..
My fiend got 7X and now this..
I knew it was good when I brewed it but you
see how fast I was to give out more free stuff when Heisen faked his bloods..
If I am not sure with bloods of my own to prove to
me then I wont lie about it which is why I questioned my own
brew from a faked blood test..
Wont happen again cause now I will have my own bloods to prove to me..
M
Colt44
Well-known Member
I think BR was posting a generalized number to alleviate the need for actual studies proving where that dosage of prop per week will put your levels. Not that he doesn't know what he is talking about but I'd like to see the studies behind that TT value at peak.
For the record, I don't believe all will come back 10x either(many will). Dr. Sally himself has pointed out that the 10x rule is a best practice of his to judge when PCT should be administered. Even with the variation in aromatization and time elapsed from last pin, these tests don't bode too well for you MW. Anything under 7-7.5x is garbage IMO. Especially for prop.
Couple the inconsistency of product with consistent running of the mouth sure makes it seem like a lose/lose from a customer standpoint. Stop hiding behind some numbers from a single article and own up to your shit and you might salvage enough customers to pay for your tren habit.
For the record, I don't believe all will come back 10x either(many will). Dr. Sally himself has pointed out that the 10x rule is a best practice of his to judge when PCT should be administered. Even with the variation in aromatization and time elapsed from last pin, these tests don't bode too well for you MW. Anything under 7-7.5x is garbage IMO. Especially for prop.
Couple the inconsistency of product with consistent running of the mouth sure makes it seem like a lose/lose from a customer standpoint. Stop hiding behind some numbers from a single article and own up to your shit and you might salvage enough customers to pay for your tren habit.
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
You're a fucking liar... BIGMESC bloods were 5x and you knew that:
Drop the freaking Heisenberg shit already, you've already mentioned it three times today alone... What a whiny little bitch you are..
Fouts
Well-known Member
There is still more to learn about peak times I think. With ALL compounds not just prop. I am going to try and get bloods again at 24 hours once I run out of tren. I'll give it a week to clear out since I'm running a pretty low dose and see what I come up with next time on the same prop. I need to for my AI anyways. Gotta get that estro in check!
I think colt has the right approach when it comes to bloods. 10x is not always going to be the case. It just can't be cuz we are all human and no matter how we process drugs not all of us will See the same results. I wanna see more BW from using one compound only. When u add in NPP and Adrol Etc. then I think it could very well effect your numbers. I don't think anyone can definitively rule that out just yet.
I don't know of any studies done on humans that shows that 19nors do not affect prolactin levels. But dr Jim will tell u we are idiots for thinking it does. Why cuz there was a study done on sheep in the 80's? I need more than that. Show me evidence that's not just anecdotal.
I'm gonna keep up with this BW testing and try to get as much info as I can for everyone. I've got plenty of other gear not just voodoo. And I have the time and money to do it. I just wish everyone would have a little bit more of an open mind and not be so quick to judge. It can be hard to do with all the scammers (reverse and sourcing) but let's keep testing and try to nail down the exact times we should be taking bloods.
I don't want to make this all about vooodoo and MW I want to make this all about getting accurate results. Then there will be NO excuses.
I think colt has the right approach when it comes to bloods. 10x is not always going to be the case. It just can't be cuz we are all human and no matter how we process drugs not all of us will See the same results. I wanna see more BW from using one compound only. When u add in NPP and Adrol Etc. then I think it could very well effect your numbers. I don't think anyone can definitively rule that out just yet.
I don't know of any studies done on humans that shows that 19nors do not affect prolactin levels. But dr Jim will tell u we are idiots for thinking it does. Why cuz there was a study done on sheep in the 80's? I need more than that. Show me evidence that's not just anecdotal.
I'm gonna keep up with this BW testing and try to get as much info as I can for everyone. I've got plenty of other gear not just voodoo. And I have the time and money to do it. I just wish everyone would have a little bit more of an open mind and not be so quick to judge. It can be hard to do with all the scammers (reverse and sourcing) but let's keep testing and try to nail down the exact times we should be taking bloods.
I don't want to make this all about vooodoo and MW I want to make this all about getting accurate results. Then there will be NO excuses.
Fouts
Well-known Member
Oh and Johnny I'm sending u a bag of my sweetest Cheeba! Lol
10X is a rough estimate. Individual variability matters but not enough to where you get some people at 10X and others at only 3 - 4X. Almost everyone will be in the 7 - 10X range.
Better yet, if you're going to question the 19-nor/PRL myth, why don't you show evidence that they do? You're the positive claimant here so the burden of proof falls on you.
Nandrolone is probably the AAS with more research in humans than any other, so it should be easy to show causation.
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
Oh, Fouts... How did I miss this before?! You're misquoting my boy Colt!! You're bloods aren't even 7x, I'm glad you're happy with the gear but let's not lower the bar here... This is what he actually said:
Agreed.. ^^ In my opinion AND in my experience you have a better chance getting close to 10x with prop than E or C. These bloods aren't the worst but they're certainly not good..
If members weren't ok with these results it might actually make "labs" be more careful about the shit they put out.
Fouts
Well-known Member
I would agree that 7X-10X is going to be the correct margin of error as for individual levels. 3X is unacceptable. I think we have enough proof for that.
As for the proof that 19-nor does cause an increase of prolactin I have none. But I have not seen any definitive proof that it doesn't, other than studies in sheep and rabbits and heifers. I think this is also going to be a case by case basis where some people may have this issue, and others may never have this issue.
And it can't be ruled out that it wasn't the addition of a 19-nor compound that caused it in some cases.
My burden of proof? I got nothing to prove bro. I question everything. I don't just listen to what people say on the Internet cuz they call themselves a Dr. You know how many times I've seen Drs get shit wrong? Plenty!
You know how many times I've seen people duped by other people just because they sounded smart? Plenty!
For all I know a Dr on the Internet is some unemployed guy sitting on his couch copying and pasting shit from a medical reference guide.
Fouts
Well-known Member
So there is no margin of error? 10X is the only acceptable level no matter what? My bloods were drawn at 15 hours after last pin. So what would they be at 24 hours since that seems to be the consensus of the most acceptable time frame?
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
That's not what I said at all!! Why are you misrepresenting my statement? I said I agree with Colt that it should be AT LEAST 7-7.5x. I actually think getting bloods drawn at 12 hrs with prop would yield a higher TT number, I have nothing to back this up though.
Fouts
Well-known Member
Listen bro I'm not saying I'm completely satisfied with the results but I can make up for the difference with that better than I could with 2X levels.
So I'm happy with that for a ugl as of now since it's hard to even find that lately.
Fouts
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Ok I'm at 6.9. Sorry. I'm confused now
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
I understand... I get it, just don't stand up so tall for this MW douche. I doubt you've read the 55 links weighted chinup put together. Just because you got prop that was complete garbage doesn't mean you're source is "g2g"..
Fouts
Well-known Member
Maybe I can help u with that? I told u man I'm here to get answers not argue. U may be right and maybe I can try 12 hrs then try 24 hrs after that.
johnnyBALLZ
Well-known Member
Haha, ok... You said that I said it has to be 10x to be acceptable, I didn't say that...
Fouts
Well-known Member
Look back at what I said In my post man this has nothing to do with MW anymore. He obviously put out some bad and some not so bad so there's no doubt some inconsistencies. I'm more interested in how to get the most accurate numbers so when I do have a consistent source I know what to look for and when to get bloods drawn
Fouts
Well-known Member
I put it in the form of a question not a statement. I wasn't sure what u were saying. I didn't know I misquoted colt. He and boilermerch have been trying to find best times for bloods. Boilermerch got higher levels at 72 hours than he did at 48 on some test e. I was basically saying that he is taking a more open minded approach to blood work. And we all should.
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