Why The Fuck Does Meso Keep The Scammers Adds Up

[biggerben69]

You're smart enough and know exactly what I'm talking about. You know what PM is all about and you know the difference.
Millard isn't standing behind every source here waiting to reprimand any member that questions a source and has negative feedback for them.
Millard doesn't have the kilo klub getting fat on free gear and pushing his sources and belittling members that may slow sales a bit with negative feedback.
Millaerd doesn't have staff like rajjin editing negative posts as well as making sure the kilo guys are pushing hard enough.
Sources here don't have moderator controls on their threads deleting posts that aren't helpful to their bottom line.
I don't know the exact date you and I went from agreeing on community issues to being polar opposites?

But Ben, Meso is still selling out. You guys love to sit and complain about how corrupt PM is and how its all about the money and that that kind of stuff would never happen here. You portray things as if you don't sell out and how you send the scammers packing; which is unlike other boards where profit is all they are concerned about. Yet you have an ad that everyone sees everyday from a known scammer and are allowing it simply because they pay you money? Why would you not give them their money back and tell them to take their scamming, thieving ass elsewhere? Why would you allow the members the opportunity to lose thier money to this scammer outfit? A trusting member may not due proper research simply because they trust that Meso would not advertise an outfit if it wasn't legit.

To me this is hypocritical to everything I have read on Meso and what Meso is supposedly about. You can try to justify it anyway you want but in the end, its the almighty dollar that is winning.

 

[muscle96ss]

You're smart enough and know exactly what I'm talking about. You know what PM is all about and you know the difference.
Millard isn't standing behind every source here waiting to reprimand any member that questions a source and has negative feedback for them.
Millard doesn't have the kilo klub getting fat on free gear and pushing his sources and belittling members that may slow sales a bit with negative feedback.
Millaerd doesn't have staff like rajjin editing negative posts as well as making sure the kilo guys are pushing hard enough.
Sources here don't have moderator controls on their threads deleting posts that aren't helpful to their bottom line.
I don't know the exact date you and I went from agreeing on community issues to being polar opposites?

Ben, I am not saying that the corruption that happens on PM or any board is justified. What I am saying is that I am disappointed that it is happening here in this instance and that you are justifying it. Its sort of like a natural athlete taking AAS and saying he is natural. I have nothing against athletes taking AAS or being natural; its their choice. But don't go around saying you are natural while taking AAS and trying to justify it by saying that others do it to.

 

[ajntorinj]

A scammer's money does more good in the hands of Millard than the scammer.

He who pays the piper calls the tune? I do not see the members of Meso dancing.

 

[Big_paul]

Im just butt soar, and feel like GETM could have righted this , but choose to skip along like a little distrustful whore

I have 4 bottles of bullshit Nolva
2 bottles of bullshit Var
1 1/2 bottles of bullshit DBOl
thanks god thats it , cause i had about 700 worth of 1/4 dosed test, mislabled deca, and complete bullshit mast... a cple friends didnt care and took it anyway..

It's pretty hard to mistake raw deca for raw test. Someone knew what he was doing.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

But Ben, Meso is still selling out. You guys love to sit and complain about how corrupt PM is and how its all about the money and that that kind of stuff would never happen here.

To me this is hypocritical to everything I have read on Meso and what Meso is supposedly about. You can try to justify it anyway you want but in the end, its the almighty dollar that is winning.

You are wrong because you fail to understand Meso's format. Meso's administration maintains a strict hands-off policy regarding what information is available to the members, and what members are permitted to say about any source - sponsor or not. The position Millard has taken is one of complete impartiality when it comes to sources; i.e. he will not choose sides. If Millard evicted a sponsor the members accused of scamming, he would, in effect, be choosing a side.

Meso needs revenue to stay open. That revenue comes from advertisers. When a sponsor agrees to advertize at Meso, it is only done with a clear understanding that the members have complete freedom to criticize them, and that the administration will not intervene to protect them under any circumstances. This policy has led to many sponsors refusing to advertize here.

Millard will only accept ad dollars from sponsors that are willing to support Meso's commitment to free speech and steroid education, but that acceptance does NOT imply an endorsement of any kind by Meso or Millard, nor is one inferred by the members.

 

[muscle96ss]

You are wrong because you fail to understand Meso's format. Meso's administration maintains a strict hands-off policy regarding what information is available to the members, and what members are permitted to say about any source - sponsor or not. The position Millard has taken is one of complete impartiality when it comes to sources; i.e. he will not choose sides. If Millard evicted a sponsor the members accused of scamming, he would, in effect, be choosing a side.

Meso needs revenue to stay open. That revenue comes from advertisers. When a sponsor agrees to advertize at Meso, it is only done with a clear understanding that the members have complete freedom to criticize them, and that the administration will not intervene to protect them under any circumstances. This policy has led to many sponsors refusing to advertize here.

Millard will only accept ad dollars from sponsors that are willing to support Meso's commitment to free speech and steroid education, but that acceptance does NOT imply an endorsement of any kind by Meso or Millard, nor is one inferred by the members.

You can try to spin it off any way you want to. But the bottom line is that Meso is accepting money from a source that is here solely with the intent to rip the members off and take their money. The stand up thing to do would be to give them their money back and tell them to take their advertisements elsewhere. What if Karl were to purchase a big ad here where he advertises pharm grade GH with full quality control and manufactured from scratch; would you feel comfortable seeing that ad on Meso everyday?

 

[Millard]

@muscle96ss You're argument is misguided. No one is claiming that MESO does not follow a sponsor-supported revenue model. You are right when you say MESO accepts sponsor dollars. But that is not the point.

That particular fact is insufficient to support your assertion, that just because MESO is ad-supported, it is no different than any other forum that is ad-supported.

MESO is very different from most other AAS forums in a very significant way - commercial sponsors have absolutely no influence on MESO's administration of the steroid underground forum.

This means MESO does not protect paid sponsors from negative feedback or otherwise intervene on behalf of sponsors; members are entirely free to exercise free speech when discussing sources; MESO takes an impartial stance and does not delete or otherwise censor source discussion; and MESO admin and mods do not endorse or recommend any sources to anyone.

This is an important distinction; it is an indisputable distinction. It is what supporters love about MESO; it is what detractors hate about MESO.

Does it make MESO better than other forums? Obviously, MESO members think so. Long-standing members at other popular forums may disagree. Everyone is entitled to their opinion.

 

[tileguy123]

I still think if it's proven that a source has Mis represented products or sold under dosed , mislabeled or infectious gear - that has been identified as so by mass spec - and they run off for refuse to right a situation in whole like GETM that they should be stripped of their payed banner . That isn't really choosing a side if there is proof of a misdeed

 

[DevinforDevin]

Muscle96ss, you are aware, profit motivates? Even though, this borad 'prides' themselves on free speech. . Its still a hint, hint kind of operation. Because of the exclusiveness of such things discussed on this board are still taboo by many. Especially in the United States

 

[Millard]

Muscle96ss, you are aware, profit motivates? Even though, this borad 'prides' themselves on free speech. . Its still a hint, hint kind of operation.

Any forum that wishes to maximize profit and most effectively monetize their forum would be best advised to avoid an uncensored forum where members have true free speech. Profit is not the guiding principle at MESO; it is free speech, steroid education and harm reduction for members.

 

[Johnson513]

Muscle96ss, you are aware, profit motivates? Even though, this borad 'prides' themselves on free speech. . Its still a hint, hint kind of operation. Because of the exclusiveness of such things discussed on this board are still taboo by many. Especially in the United States

Damn D4D... You got a lot to say on a number of topics in the 2 hours you've been here....How bout a lil intro in the new member thread? Or is this Coragen spam shit??


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[DevinforDevin]

Ill retract my previous statement. Seems to me this board might be different from the rest. So does that mean if there is available space for an ad, free speech for scammers is also able to present itself freely here? I guess if scammer never gets the drugs to the customer, that is harm reducing.

 

[Millard]

@tileguy123 It is a question of how restrictive does MESO want to be when accepting sponsors. Currently, these are the criteria:

Potential sponsors must support MESO's commitment to free speech, steroid education and harm reduction. This means sponsors will have no influence over member speech; admin and mods will not protect sponsors from negative feedback. Additionally, admin and mods do not endorse any sponsor. Also, MESO will not link to any website domain that has a point of sale for any type of controlled substance (anabolic steroid).​

MESO provides banners as recognition of the websites and companies that support its goals; it is not an endorsement of the company's product or service.

Ideally, MESO would have no paid sponsors; it would be independently funded. Once it accepts paid sponsors, the best approach would be to only accept sponsors after its products were pre-screened by an independent and accredited laboratory and confirmed to match label claims while being free of impurities and contaminants.

Of course, in an an unregulated and underground marketplace, I am under no illusions about the feasibility of finding sponsors that will meet those criteria. Even in the loosely regulated (legal) dietary supplement industry, most companies would fail those criteria.

The best balance at the moment is to fund MESO with an sponsor-supported revenue model while explicitly avoiding endorsements of any sponsor.

The banners represent one thing and one thing alone: the companies and sites support MESO's goals of free speech, steroid education and harm reduction; MESO is extremely grateful and appreciative of all the support it receives in pursuit of its goals. At the same time, it is not a recognition of the quality of its products and/or services which may or may not be lacking.

If MESO had a better solution, it would pursue it.

 

[DevinforDevin]

Sorry bud, I was unaware that it was mandatory and I'm being monitored . I'm just bouncing around getting a feel for this board. Ill go and properly introduce myself.

 

[tileguy123]

Thanks for the detailed response Millard. I will take it as you say, that they are just supporting our free speech, and education ..
I do see how making UGLs conform to a criteria, is a bit out of reach..

 

[muscle96ss]

@tileguy123 It is a question of how restrictive does MESO want to be when accepting sponsors. Currently, these are the criteria:

Potential sponsors must support MESO's commitment to free speech, steroid education and harm reduction. This means sponsors will have no influence over member speech; admin and mods will not protect sponsors from negative feedback. Additionally, admin and mods do not endorse any sponsor. Also, MESO will not link to any website domain that has a point of sale for any type of controlled substance (anabolic steroid).​

MESO provides banners as recognition of the websites and companies that support its goals; it is not an endorsement of the company's product or service.

Ideally, MESO would have no paid sponsors; it would be independently funded. Once it accepts paid sponsors, the best approach would be to only accept sponsors after its products were pre-screened by an independent and accredited laboratory and confirmed to match label claims while being free of impurities and contaminants.

Of course, in an an unregulated and underground marketplace, I am under no illusions about the feasibility of finding sponsors that will meet those criteria. Even in the loosely regulated (legal) dietary supplement industry, most companies would fail those criteria.

The best balance at the moment is to fund MESO with an sponsor-supported revenue model while explicitly avoiding endorsements of any sponsor.

The banners represent one thing and one thing alone: the companies and sites support MESO's goals of free speech, steroid education and harm reduction; MESO is extremely grateful and appreciative of all the support it receives in pursuit of its goals. At the same time, it is not a recognition of the quality of its products and/or services which may or may not be lacking.

If MESO had a better solution, it would pursue it.

I hear what you are saying. But what I still don't understand is why you would allow someone to continue to advertise once it has been proven that they are scammers. Obviously they are not going to continue to advetise if it was not profitable for them. Therefore there must be members of Meso that are purchasing as a result of the paid advertisement. So in the end, you are profiting off GETM scamming members. From a moral standpoint, how does that not bother you? Why not simply tell them, sorry but until you make things right with our members we will not accept your advertising dollars? Sorry, but I am just a little disappointed in the message that is being sent.

 

[DevinforDevin]

I hear what you are saying. But what I still don't understand is why you would allow someone to continue to advertise once it has been proven that they are scammers. Obviously they are not going to continue to advetise if it was not profitable for them. Therefore there must be members of Meso that are purchasing as a result of the paid advertisement. So in the end, you are profiting off GETM scamming members. From a moral standpoint, how does that not bother you? Why not simply tell them, sorry but until you make things right with our members we will not accept your advertising dollars? Sorry, but I am just a little disappointed in the message that is being sent.

I assume most members are smart enough to realize those advertisements are frauds. If you have a little patience, you'll find what you need. Its not a regulated industry. Its sketch city.

 

[muscle96ss]

I assume most members are smart enough to realize those advertisements are frauds. If you have a little patience, you'll find what you need. Its not a regulated industry. Its sketch city.

Why then do you think they pay money to advertise?

 

[DevinforDevin]

Why then do you think they pay money to advertise?

Im sorry, I am not sure what the question was?

 

[muscle96ss]

Im sorry, I am not sure what the question was?

You stated that most member realize that those ads are frauds. My question was why do you think they are paying money to advertise? In other words, the owner of GETM is not going to pay money to advertise on this site if people were not clicking on the banner and ordering. So if the advertisement is not productive as you suggested, then why are they advertising here?