Why there almost certainly is No God!!

Discussion in 'General Discussion' started by Desibaba, Oct 26, 2006.

  1. idmd

    idmd Member

    Ah yes....this thread. This is where Stretch (the good Christian) told all non-Christians we were going to burn in hell because we didn't pick the correct religion.

    I thought at the time his views were that of someone who was mentally unstable - I think all fanatics are by definition.

    My problem isn't God....just religion. Too many people use religion to justify being full of shit...to say all men sin and in effect say sining is ok so long as you say you're sorry in confession.

    Stretch was a perfect example of this hypocrisy IMO.
  2. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    Kapogiannis D, Deshpande G, Krueger F, Thornburg MP, Grafman JH. Brain Networks Shaping Religious Belief. Brain Connect. An Error Occurred Setting Your User Cookie

    We previously demonstrated with functional magnetic resonance imaging (fMRI) that religious belief depends upon three cognitive dimensions, which can be mapped to specific brain regions. In the present study, we considered these co-activated regions as nodes of three networks each one corresponding to a particular dimension, corresponding to each dimension and examined the causal flow within and between these networks to address two important hypotheses that remained untested in our previous work. First, we hypothesized that regions involved in theory of mind (ToM) are located upstream the causal flow and drive non-ToM regions, in line with theories attributing religion to the evolution of ToM. Second, we hypothesized that differences in directional connectivity are associated with differences in religiosity. To test these hypotheses, we performed a multivariate Granger causality-based directional connectivity analysis of fMRI data to demonstrate the causal flow within religious belief-related networks. Our results supported both hypotheses. Religious subjects preferentially activated a pathway from inferolateral to dorsomedial frontal cortex to monitor the intent and involvement of supernatural agents (SAs; intent-related ToM). Perception of SAs engaged pathways involved in fear regulation and affective ToM. Religious beliefs are founded both on propositional statements for doctrine, but also on episodic memory and imagery. Beliefs based on doctrine engaged a pathway from Broca's to Wernicke's language areas. Beliefs related to everyday life experiences engaged pathways involved in imagery. Beliefs implying less involved SAs and evoking imagery activated a pathway from right lateral temporal to occipital regions. This pathway was more active in non-religious compared to religious subjects, suggesting greater difficulty and procedural demands for imagining and processing the intent of SAs. Insights gained by Granger connectivity analysis inform us about the causal binding of individual regions activated during religious belief processing.
  3. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    A Newly Deciphered Babylonian Tablet Details Blueprints for "Noah's Ark"
    Babylonian Tablet Describes Noah's Ark Pre-Bible | New Republic

    We’ve known since at least 1872 that the Great Flood detailed in Genesis is a descendant of earlier flood myths from Mesopotamia.

    And there may be some credibility to the occurrence of at least some serious floods then, based on the facts that Mesopotamia is a giant flood plain and that there is some archeological evidence for a big flood around 5000 BC.

    But what we didn’t know until now is that those earlier flood myths also incorporated a boat onto which species of wild animals were sequestered to save them—two by two!

    This clearly shows, as if we didn’t know it already, that the Genesis story of Noah and the Ark isn’t true, but was simply an embroidery of earlier flood stories.
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  4. dnoyez

    dnoyez Member

    Heaven is not a parallel universe in the sense that the word "parallel" is sometimes used by advocates of the Everett-Wheeler interpretation of quantum theory. There are seven planes of consciousness, each divided into seven levels, of which physical consciousness is restricted to the lowest three of the lowest plane. The post-mortem state (not heaven) is the next higher plane of consciousness. "Heaven" is a vague term, but it can be identified with the third plane, as well as with higher planes of consciousness. In all there are 91 levels of consciousness. They are mapped in the sacred geometries of various religions, e.g., in the Tree of Life of Jewish Kabbalah and in the Sri Yantra of Hindu Tantra, as well as in the dodecahedronand the disdyakis triacontahedron. All possible states of consciousness must be differentiated from parallel worlds predicted by a particular version of quantum mechanics. The latter (assuming they really exist) are purely physical (although not detectable) because they represent different bifurcations of the quantum states of particles when observed.
    There is a "parallel" universe predicted by E8xE8 heterotic superstring theory. It is invisible, its matter not emitting or absorbing light, and is confined to a space-time sheet that is parallel to that occupied by ordinary matter, being separated by a narrow segment or gap along the 11th dimension of space-time predicted by supergravity theories and M-theory bit otherwise occupying the same space. It corresponds to the four higher levels within the physical plane, so it has nothing to do with what is normally understood by the term "Heaven."
    Heaven is higher Dimensions of less density (energy).

    Hell is lower dimensions of more density (energy).

    Ghosts and such beings that can be seen in our physical world are of a lower nature OR they could be lowering their energy to such an extent so that they can be seen....

    There are higher dimensions where it is less physical , more energetic and the beings know that they are all connected with more intimacy , love , and appreciation...

    and then there are lower dimensions where it is more physical where beings cannot actually "see" that they are connected (like humans or lowly spirits)...

    Parallel universes are possibilities of what COULD be happening in this present moment...

    Here is one interesting thing to think of...


    In a parallel universe, it could be that it is EXACTLY the same as ours but it evolved slower and there are still dinosaurs, jumping from our universe to THAT parallel universe would be what we call to be "Time Travel"...
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  5. BBC3

    BBC3 Member

    HARDCORE....! You would have me off on a research campaign if not for having to do some work...!:) I am making a note...

  6. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    There will be a television documentary, “Questioning evolution,” on the HBO (“Home Box Office”) Channel on Monday, February 10 at 9 PM. HBO

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=7jrOdDEB0MU]HBO Documentary Series: Questioning Darwin (HBO Documentary Series) - YouTube[/ame]
  7. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    Pigliucci M. New Atheism and the Scientistic Turn in the Atheism Movement. Midwest Studies In Philosophy 2013;37(1):142-53. New Atheism and the Scientistic Turn in the Atheism Movement - Pigliucci - 2013 - Midwest Studies In Philosophy - Wiley Online Library / http://philpapers.org/archive/PIGNAA.pdf

    The so-called “New Atheism” is a relatively well-defined, very recent, still unfolding cultural phenomenon with import for public understanding of both science and philosophy. Arguably, the opening salvo of the New Atheists was The End of Faith by Sam Harris, published in 2004, followed in rapid succession by a number of other titles penned by Harris himself, Richard Dawkins, Daniel Dennett, Victor Stenger, and Christopher Hitchens.1

    After this initial burst, which was triggered (according to Harris himself) by the terrorist attacks on September 11, 2001, a number of other authors have been associated with the New Atheism, even though their contributions sometimes were in the form of newspapers and magazine articles or blog posts, perhaps most prominent among them evolutionary biologists and bloggers Jerry Coyne and P. Z. Myers. Still others have published and continue to publish books on atheism, some of which have had reasonable success, probably because of the interest generated by the first wave.This second wave, however, often includes authors that explicitly distance themselves from the tone and some of the specific arguments of the New Atheists, most prominently Alain De Botton and A. C. Grayling.2 Finally, we have follow up entries in the literature by some of the original New Atheists, especially Harris, but also Hitchens.3

    My goal in this paper is to analyze the new Atheist “movement” from a particular angle: what I see as a clear, and truly novel, though not at all positive, “scientistic” turn that it marks for atheism in general. To do so, I will begin in the next section with a brief discussion of what I think constitutes New Atheism broadly construed, as well as what counts as scientism. I will then present a brief historical overview of atheism in the Western world (to which the impact of the New Atheism seems to be largely confined), to make clear how classical Atheism differs from the new variety.The following section will then explore some examples of what I term the “scientistic turn” that has characterized some (but not all) New Atheist writers (and most of their supporters, from what one can glean from the relevant social networks).The next to the last section will summarize the problems with scientism, and I will then conclude by proposing a new middle way between classical and New Atheism as more sound from both the scientific and philosophical standpoints.

    1. Sam Harris, The End of Faith: Religion,Terror, and the Future of Reason (NewYork:W.W. Norton, 2004); Sam Harris, Letter to a Christian Nation (New York: Vintage, 2006); Richard Dawkins, The God Delusion (Boston: Houghton Mifflin Harcourt, 2006); Daniel C. Dennett, Breaking the Spell: Religion as a Natural Phenomenon (New York: Viking Press, 2006); Victor J. Stenger, God:The Failed Hypothesis:How Science Shows That God Does Not Exist (Amherst, NY: Prometheus, 2007); Christopher Hitchens, God Is Not Great: How Religion Poisons Everything (New York: Twelve Books, 2007).

    2. Alain De Botton, Religion for Atheists: A Non-Believer’s Guide to the Uses of Religion (New York: Vintage Books, 2012); Anthony C. Grayling, The God Argument: The Case against Religion and for Humanism (London: Bloomsbury, 2013).

    3. Sam Harris, The Moral Landscape:How Science Can Determine HumanValues (NewYork: Free Press, 2010); Sam Harris, FreeWill (New York: Free Press, 2012); Christopher Hitchens, The Portable Atheist: Essential Readings for the Nonbeliever (Cambridge, MA: Da Capo Press, 2009).
  8. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

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  9. Big_paul

    Big_paul Member AnabolicLab.com Supporter

    bro i have to disagree. i cant think there is no god. i think we all agree ther is good and evil, we may disagree on exactly what is good or evil, so we start from there. what in nature has come from nothing, good comes from good and evil comes from evil. nothing comes from nothing so there has to be something good that all good comes from. say like an apple. apples are good so good comes from somthing good. evil comes from evil and does evil. so you are left with good things coming from good and evil things come from evil. there you go. god good. devil evil. denver broncos are evil and the seahawks are good. good always prevails over evil. understand.
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  10. smiles

    smiles Member

    Hahaha I see what you did there...
  11. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=KeJoVeKSsyA]Dr. Neil DeGrasse Tyson: A fascinatingly disturbing thought - YouTube[/ame]
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  12. BBC3

    BBC3 Member

    Uhhhh. He said DIATRIBE... Huh huh ... Uh. Huhuh.. Beavus..!!!!
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  13. Big-Dan

    Big-Dan Member

    I realize this post is old and I didn't get any futher than this in reading..... Its sunday morning and my wife and children are getting dressed for church as we do every sunday.... I wont preach to you cause I used to hate that... I realize everyone who talks the kinda garbage your puking out of your mouth thinks they are just so darn tough... I wont get into my past as I am certainly not proud of it but I lived the lifestyle so many claim to.. And I missed a few years of life due to it... But that's neither here nor there.... My point is this... I thank god every day for my wonderful wife who stands by my side.. And I thank god every day for my healthy and joyful children.. I am truly blessed to have them in my life.... What your saying about our species being afraid of death.. Well of course no one wants to leave friends and family for eternity I think the only ppl who are afraid of death are those who are lost.... I watched my father lie in a hospital bed for 3 days knowing he would be passing. And he did this with jokes and smiles... Not because he was tough or a bad mofo.. But because death was his reward for knowing living and believing.... If you have lived your life righteous or in my case made peace with the past and found faith then you truly aren't afraid of death... Im not perfect and I make mistakes.. I blame these churches and religions popping up and all the pastors and preachers that don't lead by example. I blame them for people like you.... Ill ask for your forgivness this morning sir and ill ask him to maybe show you the way this morning... Have a wonderful day...

    I like to cut up and carry on.. But I mean every bit of that...
  14. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

  15. Mike Oxbig

    Mike Oxbig Member

    Neil DeGrasse Tyson is the man. I honestly don't believe I've ever heard him say anything that I personally disagreed with, I consider him a Philosopher in a very loose sense. If I had the opportunity to choose one person in the world to have a few drinks with it would absolutely be him.

    While on the subject of religion here is another one. Religion has interfered with progress in many different aspects all the way up to our current time, but the specific question he poses here is definitely thought provoking.

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=6oxTMUTOz0w]The Erosion of Progress by Religions - YouTube[/ame]

    Edit- While this video doesn't really have an "angle" I might as well post it while I'm already in the process whoring him out.

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  16. BBC3

    BBC3 Member

    I heard Deion Sanders was quite the religious fella back in 2007. Lets see where he is now...

    Deion Sanders - Book

    Emm Hmmm

    Do Unto Others Project-Church of the Science of God

    Is that "scientology"...?!

    NFL Great & Born-Again Christian Deion Sanders Tweets While Filing Police Report Against Estranged Wife | Hinterland Gazette

    (Is that "trash-Tweet'n?)

    Deion Sanders Calls God 'Faithful' After Court Grants Restraining Order Against Ex-Wife, Custody of Children

    (My bad Deion. Been there too)

    Deion Sanders is fired . . . by Deion Sanders’ school | ProFootballTalk

    Well, we all have our work cut out for us. We'll give ya some credit for high profile related unfair attention...
  17. Michael Scally MD

    Michael Scally MD Doctor of Medicine

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    biggerblue Junior Member

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  19. cvictorg

    cvictorg Member

    Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD

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    Is creation a viable model of origins in today's modern, scientific era? Leading creation apologist and bestselling Christian author Ken Ham is joined at the Creation Museum by Emmy Award-winning science educator and CEO of the Planetary Society Bill Nye.?

    Just fast forward to the beginning

    [ame=http://www.youtube.com/watch?v=z6kgvhG3AkI]Bill Nye Debates Ken Ham - HD - YouTube[/ame]
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