Cyp/Tren/Primo Cut

[Deleted member 123722]

So I decided to calculate exactly how long I've been on this cycle and diet, says here about 11 weeks; so since I started this log on Feb 21, I've gone from 240, to 223: that is 17 lbs in 2 months and 18 days, which is about a 1.5lbs down a week. Not bad. I felt like I stalled because most of the changes were in the beginning.

But I do feel a bit fatigued, and these unexplained binges must be something, so I think it is certainly time for a diet break. This week, I'll continue going to the gym, but not do any cardio. Then the week of my Bday, I will just eat at NEW maintenance, and enjoy the Bday as well. Once that week is over, get back at it; that's a two-week diet break, which should be enough to deal with this fatigue. and whatever else is going on.

I also will get off tren at week 15, when this bottle runs out, but continue Primo, Test, Gh, t3, and then add some clen.

I will jump back on Tren E later, after I give my body a break from it, probably a month or six weeks.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Not doing cardio this week and upping the calories a bit = holy fuck the pumps are back and I feel amazing.

Definitely taking a break until my bday.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Can anyone explain why the hell I'm sweating profusely lately; I literally looked like a glazed donut at the gym, with sweat literally drenching my body. I can only assume the increase in calories have bumped up my metabolism?

 

[Deleted member 123722]

No one talking on here anymore, but still gotta post updates.

I've been on a diet and cardio break, especially being my bday week, eating at least one fast food joint a day, but not going to insane over calories. I haven't gained any fat, but I look full as a house at the gym. I did the first half of my PPL this week, but I'm taking off the rest of the week, including today. I will continue this until Monday the 23, where I get back on my diet.

Changes in cycle: I am dropping the tren e, since it's been so long, and will be adding Clen at 40mcg a day. I may increase t3 to 75mcg, but I probably won't. I will remain on the primo/test at 400 each, until my var arrives in about a month, where I will add that at 50mg a day.

I'm also on my 3rd to last GH kit, having two left after using seven since January. Once I run out of GH, I'm probably going to stay off of it. I didn't notice anything spectacular about it, and frankly, I think it is overrated.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

No one talking on here anymore, but still gotta post updates.

I've been on a diet and cardio break, especially being my bday week, eating at least one fast food joint a day, but not going to insane over calories. I haven't gained any fat, but I look full as a house at the gym. I did the first half of my PPL this week, but I'm taking off the rest of the week, including today. I will continue this until Monday the 23, where I get back on my diet.

Changes in cycle: I am dropping the tren e, since it's been so long, and will be adding Clen at 40mcg a day. I may increase t3 to 75mcg, but I probably won't. I will remain on the primo/test at 400 each, until my var arrives in about a month, where I will add that at 50mg a day.

I'm also on my 3rd to last GH kit, having two left after using seven since January. Once I run out of GH, I'm probably going to stay off of it. I didn't notice anything spectacular about it, and frankly, I think it is overrated.

I'm quiet, but I'm following you on every update, I'm sure there are plenty others who do aswell, keep going.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I'm quiet, but I'm following you on every update, I'm sure there are plenty others who do aswell, keep going.

Indeed. Either way I have to post lol.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

Indeed. Either way I have to post lol.

All these logs help everybody understand anecdotally what compounds do when stacked, not just the litterateur. Good shit though, excited to see results from the var next month.

 

[Ryu82]

Yip, lots of us following along. Keep it up man.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

LMAO

234 this am. Clearly, there is no way I gained 10lbs of fat in the last 10 days, but you can start to see the water retention a bit on my stomach.

This isn't too bad, after literally eating at one fast food joint each day, counting no calories, and not restricting myself.

I have two more days of this break, and then back to the grind on Monday, but this time, without tren e, and i'm adding some clen 20mcg to start, to my t3.

I'd rather up the t3 to 75mcg and skip the clen, but I'm pretty sure stacking 50mcg of t3 with 20mcg (up to 40mcg) and clen would probably be better.

 

[Ryu82]

A little clen goes a long way. You should see a big weight drop your first week back on point. You definitely needed the rest and reset.

 

[Alphalfa]

LMAO

234 this am. Clearly, there is no way I gained 10lbs of fat in the last 10 days, but you can start to see the water retention a bit on my stomach.

This isn't too bad, after literally eating at one fast food joint each day, counting no calories, and not restricting myself.

I have two more days of this break, and then back to the grind on Monday, but this time, without tren e, and i'm adding some clen 20mcg to start, to my t3.

I'd rather up the t3 to 75mcg and skip the clen, but I'm pretty sure stacking 50mcg of t3 with 20mcg (up to 40mcg) and clen would probably be better.

Dude I have always read your threads and experiments, I think it is always good to have people like you who decide to try things and keep the rest posted about it.

But at some point you do some bloodwork? You have been a lot of time with 50mcg of T3 and a very moderate deficit, what is your, Free T4(if you are only taking only T3 you should take a look at your TSH and T4, Total T3 and Free T3? Maybe it is bunk or not putting you where it should be at, or maybe too much. Before increasing it, take a look at where 50mcg puts you at, whatever schedule you are doing taking it.

You have said you have been in deficit for a lot of time, with lot of stuff like Tren and T3 but you are like still "several months out" and already binging for days like crazy. You should rethink your strategy in my opinion.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Dude I have always read your threads and experiments, I think it is always good to have people like you who decide to try things and keep the rest posted about it.

But at some point you do some bloodwork? You have been a lot of time with 50mcg of T3 and a very moderate deficit, what is your, Free T4(if you are only taking only T3 you should take a look at your TSH and T4, Total T3 and Free T3? Maybe it is bunk or not putting you where it should be at, or maybe too much. Before increasing it, take a look at where 50mcg puts you at, whatever schedule you are doing taking it.

You have said you have been in deficit for a lot of time, with lot of stuff like Tren and T3 but you are like still "several months out" and already binging for days like crazy. You should rethink your strategy in my opinion.

I'm "several months out" because I started at like 20%+ bodyfat lol. Bodybuilders get in shape in 16 weeks or so because they are usually less than 15% bf already. Moreover, I've been in a very small deficit: I begin this cut, cutting at 3k calories and lost fat from that (which is insane), then reduced it to 2700. I'm losing fat slowly, rather than aggressively. I was 240lbs when I started the cycle, and now I'm 223 (not counting the break), which means I lost 17 lbs in 3 months: about 6lbs a month, even at this slow pace.

I took 50mcg of t3 before from a UGL, and my levels came back normal, so either that was bunk or my body doesn't respond well to t3 at 50mcg. The lab compensated me after showing them my bloodwork. But the fact I'm recomping while not starving myself, is a good sign. If I were to increase t3, I would only go to 75mcg and never go above. That's IF I do. My body responds to clen very well—40mcg does the trick for me.

I'm not a pro bodybuilder nor a competitor, and I don't have a deadline to reach; even if it takes me another three months to lose another 15 lbs, great. I'm not doing this quickly, so I can ensure my fat loss is permanent and to avoid a massive rebound. This diet break eating whatever I want, literally, shows that fat I have kept off, will stay off because I did it right. Slow and steady wins the race.

The binges were probably a result of me being overly fatigued; I do PPL twice a week, and did cardio PWO for 30 mins. Next time, I will only do four sessions of cardio per week (not on leg days anymore), if needed. I will work cardio back in incrementally, after I readjust my calories.

And about bookwork, I do it when I can for free through my benefits. And frankly, I doubt many would admit this, I honestly don't care, because it would not stop me from using the drugs. Last time I got bloods, was actually toward the end of my 1g deca experiment, and it wasn't that bad. In fact every time I get my blookwork after a cycle, I'm always fine. I may not have the best genetics in regards to muscle shape or whatever, but I certainly have great genetics resisting sides and other issues.

 

[GuerillaPete]

I'm "several months out" because I started at like 20%+ bodyfat lol. Bodybuilders get in shape in 16 weeks or so because they are usually less than 15% bf already. Moreover, I've been in a very small deficit: I begin this cut, cutting at 3k calories and lost fat from that (which is insane), then reduced it to 2700. I'm losing fat slowly, rather than aggressively. I was 240lbs when I started the cycle, and now I'm 223 (not counting the break), which means I lost 17 lbs in 3 months: about 6lbs a month, even at this slow pace.

I took 50mcg of t3 before from a UGL, and my levels came back normal, so either that was bunk or my body doesn't respond well to t3 at 50mcg. The lab compensated me after showing them my bloodwork. But the fact I'm recomping while not starving myself, is a good sign. If I were to increase t3, I would only go to 75mcg and never go above. That's IF I do. My body responds to clen very well—40mcg does the trick for me.

I'm not a pro bodybuilder nor a competitor, and I don't have a deadline to reach; even if it takes me another three months to lose another 15 lbs, great. I'm not doing this quickly, so I can ensure my fat loss is permanent and to avoid a massive rebound. This diet break eating whatever I want, literally, shows that fat I have kept off, will stay off because I did it right. Slow and steady wins the race.

The binges were probably a result of me being overly fatigued; I do PPL twice a week, and did cardio PWO for 30 mins. Next time, I will only do four sessions of cardio per week (not on leg days anymore), if needed. I will work cardio back in incrementally, after I readjust my calories.

And about bookwork, I do it when I can for free through my benefits. And frankly, I doubt many would admit this, I honestly don't care, because it would not stop me from using the drugs. Last time I got bloods, was actually toward the end of my 1g deca experiment, and it wasn't that bad. In fact every time I get my blookwork after a cycle, I'm always fine. I may not have the best genetics in regards to muscle shape or whatever, but I certainly have great genetics resisting sides and other issues.

I want to see this man get lean already…. hope you make it bro.
I still think you are eating some foods you don't tolerate and thats holding you back.
Also you might need to suffer some more and after you get right and rested definitely cutting calories is the way to go

 

[Deleted member 123722]

I want to see this man get lean already…. hope you make it bro.
I still think you are eating some foods you don't tolerate and thats holding you back.
Also you might need to suffer some more and after you get right and rested definitely cutting calories is the way to go

I was going easy, for sure, aside from the workout+cardio six days a week... I've literally gone to every fast food chain this last 10 days, and I'm literally so over eating this garbage lol. Tomorrow is my friend's daughter's bday, so that's the last day of eating like shit. I even told the wife: time to for fat loss phase to, so no more eating out or any other bullshit.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

I was going easy, for sure, aside from the workout+cardio six days a week... I've literally gone to every fast food chain this last 10 days, and I'm literally so over eating this garbage lol. Tomorrow is my friend's daughter's bday, so that's the last day of eating like shit. I even told the wife: time to for fat loss phase to, so no more eating out or any other bullshit.

I mean, unpopular opinion: drop the clenbuterol and cytomel and run DNP for 3 weeks @250mg and get a portable air conditioner and wheel it around like an oxygen tank, probably be safer to run 3 weeks of DNP at a 500 caloric deficit than to cut for extended periods of time with cytomel and/or clenbuterol.

 

[Mr.Capricious]

Especially if your cutting causes you to binge and whatnot, just torture yourself for the 3 weeks, and then eat at maintenance after that, I'm not a guru and you're bigger than me I'm pretty sure, but the only thing I have to offer is my opinion from a different perspective.

I mean, unpopular opinion: drop the clenbuterol and cytomel and run DNP for 3 weeks @250mg and get a portable air conditioner and wheel it around like an oxygen tank, probably be safer to run 3 weeks of DNP at a 500 caloric deficit than to cut for extended periods of time with cytomel and/or clenbuterol.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Especially if your cutting causes you to binge and whatnot, just torture yourself for the 3 weeks, and then eat at maintenance after that, I'm not a guru and you're bigger than me I'm pretty sure, but the only thing I have to offer is my opinion from a different perspective.

I've tried DNP before, just to see what would happen, and I felt it depleted my glycogen stores. I was ok with the heat, i think i may have gone up to 500mcg max? I forget. Wasn't on it too long. I would only use that if I failed miserably and getting to my goal with what I plan to do next. Which means I won't

 

[Deleted member 123722]

Ok boys, after two weeks of a diet break and cardio break, and also eating at least one fast food joint a day (last night finished with Chipotle), I weight 231 this am. This no doubt water retention and literal SHIT in my stomach, and will drop in a few days back to 224....I basically look the same as I did, with a little film of water under my skin.

But phase two officially starts TODAY.

I've dropped the Tren e, but it's gonna linger in my system for a bit, and I will only be on primo/test c until var arrives in a month.

I have a ton of clen/t3 now, but I won't add anything this week, keeping my 50mcg constant as I have since Feb, as I got back to my deficit and into the gym.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

HOLY FUCK I WAS PUMPED TODAY, FULL AS A HOUSE... but, I'll be shooting for 2500 calories a day now, which is 200 drop from before. I will not be doing cardio until I need to, because of this drop.

 

[Deleted member 123722]

After eating ~2570 calories last night, I dropped to 227 this morning. Hunger was easy to deal with, as it barely was a problem; I just drank some extra zero-calorie Fresca and gingerale.