2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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I think most people will feel better on a higher carb intake. But if you function well on low carbs and are on a low carb diet, there's no reason you can't add DNP to it. See how things go. If you feel low on energy, try upping your carb intake. DNP will increase your metabolic rate whether you eat a lot of carbs or not; they're not necessary for DNP to work. However, you'll probably feel better with them in yout diet. You'll have to experiment and find out what works for you as an individual.

Thanks :D Do you think by consuming a lower amount of carbs your body would be more prone to burning body fat? Or it wouldnt really make too much of a difference?
 
Couple more questions, I have the 99% pure crystalline tablets and I took 200mg yesterday, then 300mg today (I usually have a high tolerance to things) what day should I bump it up to 400mg? Or not until day 4/5?

I also notice I dont sweat at all during the day etc, its usually at night if I wake up I'll notice I'm sweaty (not drenched or anything) but yeah thats the only time I'll notice sweating - is that normal? I'd heard of some people sweating 24/7 lol :D Thanks!
 
Couple more questions, I have the 99% pure crystalline tablets and I took 200mg yesterday, then 300mg today (I usually have a high tolerance to things) what day should I bump it up to 400mg? Or not until day 4/5?

I also notice I dont sweat at all during the day etc, its usually at night if I wake up I'll notice I'm sweaty (not drenched or anything) but yeah thats the only time I'll notice sweating - is that normal? I'd heard of some people sweating 24/7 lol :D Thanks!

Crystalline = only 75% powder by volume - just to clarify here. Honestly, it's my opinion (making the assumption this is your first experience), I would keep your dose at 200 mg for about three days. Just because you have a high tolerance to most substances doesn't mean that you will have a high tolerance to Dnp as well. Dnp takes a couple days to reach peak concentrations into your system, so it is only after three/four days of initial use that you should decide to bump up your dose. If you are comfortable on 200 mg after those first days - make small increments. Like Conc. said, Dnp is very individual, and every single one of our bodies are different. The best advice I can give here is to listen to your body. Period.

Hope this helps somewhat, good luck:)
 
Hey all;

I'm in Day 6 of my second cycle. For the first cycle, I took 200mg for the first 2 days, then 400mg for 8 more. Took 14 days off in between. Second cycle, I began directly with 400mg for 10 straight days, as I had no allergic reactions, tolerance in the first cycle was adequate. I felt the heat around Day 3 of this cycle, but now I feel as though I'm sweating less, I generally have more energy than I'd expect, and my bodily fluids don't have the same characteristic "dark yellow" color. I'm wondering if this means that I've built up some tolerance and should increase my dosage, or if it's possible that the DNP is still acting as productively without the same side effects. Any thoughts? Thanks!
 
The higher dose could still be assimilating in your system, wait another day or so to see if the jump to 400 mg is adequate - if you are still comfortable/not feeling sides as you mentioned, it would probably be okay to increase your dose in a small increment.

I'm really looking forward to wintertime ..shirt and shorts in zero degree weather;)
 
The higher dose could still be assimilating in your system, wait another day or so to see if the jump to 400 mg is adequate - if you are still comfortable/not feeling sides as you mentioned, it would probably be okay to increase your dose in a small increment.

I'm really looking forward to wintertime ..shirt and shorts in zero degree weather;)

started a cycle today is day four. wondering if anyone has been taking daily/regular body temps?
regimen thus far -
D1 - 200mg pm - no notable effects
D2 - 200mg am/200mg pm- no notable effect during daylight hours, restless sleep at night with some light sweating (primarily from head and neck)
D3 -200mg BID - mild lethargy during they day and decreased appetite and desire for food, overall higher tolerance to cold (daytime temps in northeast are in mid 60s, wore tshirt and jeans comfortably) overnight, restless sleep, PM temp was 100.1, only mild sweating again noted, slept with AC on
D4 - 200mg BID, head/scalp feel warm, AM temp 100.3 again, sweating is minimal, appetite is suppressed and gustation in general is down. (i did not enjoy my morning oats nearly as much as usual, couldn't even finish the bowl which i dont think has ever happened) drinking appprox 4 liters water QD

side effect profile is minimal and i suspect my actual dosing is lower than described. additional supplements include daily MV, vit E 500mg and Vit C 1000mg split BID

no change to secretions noted, have noticed increased thirst and sore throat, easy fatigability (pushups and presses today SUCKED)

all in all this has felt like a mild cold. which given the low grade "fever" is actually perfectly plausible. thoughts?

will continue at 400mg QD split BID for 6 more days making this a 10 day run.
 
D3 -200mg BID - mild lethargy during they day and decreased appetite and desire for food, overall higher tolerance to cold (daytime temps in northeast are in mid 60s, wore tshirt and jeans comfortably) overnight, restless sleep, PM temp was 100.1, only mild sweating again noted, slept with AC on
D4 - 200mg BID, head/scalp feel warm, AM temp 100.3 again, sweating is minimal, appetite is suppressed and gustation in general is down. (i did not enjoy my morning oats nearly as much as usual, couldn't even finish the bowl which i dont think has ever happened) drinking appprox 4 liters water QD.[
I'd immediately reduce your dose. If your temperature is exceeding the normal range (over 99.1), you're greatly increasing your risk for hyperthermia. It means that you've outstripped your body's ability to radiate heat and keep your temperature in the normal range. At this point, if your active dose increases any more (even from continuing to take 400mg/day and having it accumulate) it's likely to raise your body temperature even higher. I'd drop back to 200mg/day or alternate 200 mg and 400 mg. As things are, you're at risk for overdosing. It's not worth it.
 
dropped down to 200mg QD, temp last night was 99.6

now, call me crazy, and this would be an INCREDIBLE coincidence. but i really do think i might just have a cold and bunk dnp. i've experienced no weight change since day 1. will continue at 200mg QD x 3 days and see what happens.

my respect for this agent is high and I am not looking for a trip to the ER. however, i see little to support the efficacy of this batch. will report back soon.
 
I've been reading about DNP for over a year and about a month now. My issue, as it is for many one here, is that i can't find a sure dnp supplier on line. Yea, i've found places on the web that advertise it, others that don't advertise yet claim to have "real" DNP. some background..about 9 months ago i ordered DNP from an online source after much time narrowing down my choices for a supplier, and ran it at 200mg for 3 days, then 400 for another 11, along with all the support supplements i read would be crucial to run it safely..along with some stuff i knew would do me good as well. I even took off from work the two last days of my dnp run along with the following 2 days just in case. and what a suprise it wasn't the real thing.

Since then i've been hesitant to go and purchase any dnp, let alone even post on forums! because i don't want to come across as an idiot who's only desperate to find the easy way out cuz i'm anything but. Fatkid history. I've done the dieting down from bulk many many times, have used ec and clen extensively, but i won't touch t3. In fact that's one reason DNP appealed to me; that according to consilliator there's no thyroid suppresion when using DNP. i've just got off probably my most successful bulking cycle since i've started training. And i've done enough research to know i'm adequately prepaird to safely run the stuff. However the only source's i was able to find from my research that sold, according to many forum testemonyes, legit dnp doesn't supply it anymore. I'm 5'8" 189 lbs, 26 yrs, need any other stats-diet, training, supplement experience, etc.- just ask.

My most personal reason for posting this long reply is that in a month i will be leaving to florence to visit my girlfriend. and even if it sounds like the wrong kind of motivation to you i want her to know what she's leaving behind at home ;) Whatever motivates you right? I want to get to her flat ripped to sh**. She loves the veins she does. I guess my question is whether there really are any online sources that are reliable. I'm not asking for a referral. I'm not asking anyone to pm me a source (a man can dream though). But if there really isn't any online sources other than the ones you can mine out of google.com i'd really like to know from someone who knows. And if thats the case, i don't know. i really don't know. frustrating as hell hunching over my labtop like a toad for this many total hours to find shit, but i had to ask. If you need to grill me i completely understand. Ask me anything, tell me anything. Call me anything. It's all a learning experiance for me. I just hope this reply yeilds some fruit, i really do. Thanks for anyone who helps out. And thanks for all the info this amazing thread has provided.
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Is something wrong with me if I really don't feel that bad on 800 mg? (I went up very, very slowly and safely).

My temperature has been fine. I don't even feel warm until over 400 mg, and then from there to 800, I just feel very relaxed, and a little flushed. The only time I get sweaty is at night, but a fan pointed at my head takes care of that.

I don't think I should consider going any higher though, unless I have no plans for the entire day - any thoughts?
 
Is something wrong with me if I really don't feel that bad on 800 mg? (I went up very, very slowly and safely).

My temperature has been fine. I don't even feel warm until over 400 mg, and then from there to 800, I just feel very relaxed, and a little flushed. The only time I get sweaty is at night, but a fan pointed at my head takes care of that.

I don't think I should consider going any higher though, unless I have no plans for the entire day - any thoughts?


You could just be one of those freaks that posess supratolerance. Who knows:confused:
 
Is something wrong with me if I really don't feel that bad on 800 mg? (I went up very, very slowly and safely).

My temperature has been fine. I don't even feel warm until over 400 mg, and then from there to 800, I just feel very relaxed, and a little flushed. The only time I get sweaty is at night, but a fan pointed at my head takes care of that.

I don't think I should consider going any higher though, unless I have no plans for the entire day - any thoughts?
What you describe doesn't mean anything is wrong with you. Some people are just tolerant to DNP, especially if they've been on it for a long time.

What matters is not the absolute dose, but how you're affected by whatever dose you're taking. If your temperature is under 99.1 and the side effects don't seem excessive, you should be fine increasing your dose. Just keep an eye on your temperature and the side effects and reduce the dose if necessary.
 
Alright, thanks. My temperature at 800 mg is only 97.5 (measured multiple times).

I might take a break for a little bit, and then try going to 900. The only thing I'm worried about is the insane carb cravings.
 
Is it safe to take DNP and Dexedrine? I'm on Dex for ADD but I've never cycled DNP at the same time. I'm also concerned that DNP might cancel out the effects of Dex, as I'm ADD inattentive type (my mind wanders, trouble with focus and concentration). I'm certainly not hyperactive, and the Dex keeps me mentally alert, while DNP does just the opposite.

Does anyone know if DNP is contraindicated with dextroamphetamine? On an unrelated note, my bottle of DNP is from this summer, June or July. Is it still good, do you think?
 
Is it safe to take DNP and Dexedrine? I'm on Dex for ADD but I've never cycled DNP at the same time. I'm also concerned that DNP might cancel out the effects of Dex, as I'm ADD inattentive type (my mind wanders, trouble with focus and concentration). I'm certainly not hyperactive, and the Dex keeps me mentally alert, while DNP does just the opposite.

Does anyone know if DNP is contraindicated with dextroamphetamine? On an unrelated note, my bottle of DNP is from this summer, June or July. Is it still good, do you think?

It's still good.
 
HI all - I'm new to this forum, have read quite a few posts inc most of this one with interest as I'm always keen to learn :)

This seems to be the most informed board when it comes to the use of dnp so I thought I'd share my dnp exerience.

I'm female, 33 in good shape - low resting - HR low BP - been lifting heavy for a good few years and am also very fit cardio wise - my diets pretty good 85% of the time - don't smoke/drink and would consider myself quite knowledgable when it comes to supplements etc.

I had some 200mg dnp caps from Alin shop - I got them from a bb mate who took them for a few days at 200mg a day & couldn't stand the heat. I took 1 cap a day for 5 days & apart from feeling slightly warmer esp in bed I had no sides at all - so I upped to 400mg a day, half at around 9am then half at 9pm - i did this for another 6 days - again I felt a bit hotter esp at night I had trouble sleeping but I'd been having trouble sleeping before starting dnp so??

I definately noticed I was getting a bit out of breath walking esp up hill etc - i went on the x trainer at gym but only on a low setting and had the same effect - I guess this must be the dnp as I usually can do long hilly runs with no probs.

My weight sessions were not as bad as I expected - I couldn't manage as many reps and I had to drop the weight a little by day 8 but again not half as bad as I expected.

I then upped the dose to 3 caps (600mg) a day spread throughout the day - i did this for 4 days until the caps ran out!

again I noticed feeling hotter but not unbearable (but then its winter and bloody freezing here so maybe thats why) I also now noticed I had quite shallow breathing even talking on the phone - kind of like I was panting - kind of funny really:D

I didn't have any nasty rashes, didn't notice a nasty taste in my mouth or any yellowing of skin/body fluids - I managed to keep going to the gym and no-one inc my training partner comented on me smelling funny or looking awfull! I had mentioned I felt like I was getting a cold so thats why I was weaker lol:p

I was taking an ECA stack twice a day (30/200/75) throughout and all my usuall supps inc extra vit e & antioxidents

I dranks at least 4 litres (more on gym days) of water mixed with barley grass, spirulina & wheatgrass powder for its alkalizing effects on the body + its full of vits/minerals - I also made sure I kept my potasium etc up.

I didn't get any real muscle cramps/aches and basicly was/am very suprised at the lack of sides - I was expecting and had prepared myself for much worse - I'm kind of guessing that the alin shop 200mg caps were under dosed?? I did take one apart and it was crystal & not powder & yes it stained my fingers bright yellow for days and also my jeans!

If I'm completely honest I can't really comment on carb cravings because I was really quite naughty and ate quite alot of naughty stuff like chocolate + a few cakes[}:)] this was more because I thought what the hell than I was craving it - I did also kept my protein high and ate lots of good carbs & veggies but I ate lots more than I usually would and definately did not watch calories! I started at around 71/72kg and am now 68.5kg so I lost around 3 kg I would say - I can feel the weight loss in my clothes etc and so far it hasn't come back but then I've been hitting the weights hard and am back into my early am cardio.

I think had I not been on such a rollercoaster of excitment at eating so many carbs & gotton carried away with the choccy & cake my weight loss could have been more.

I'm quite muscular and train/lift heavy and can honestly say I don't think I lost any muscle mass :D 10 days after finishing I'm back and if anything my strength has increased!

I'm definately going to run another cycle of dnp & have just ordered some powder (hopefully I will receive it!) as I want to cap myself so I can be sure of the doseage - I've capped quite alot od other supps and am well prepared!

I would welcome any advice or tips on doing this or anything else I might finf useful & likewise am happy to answer any questions on my experience just ask away :)

Anyhow sorry for such a long post but I just wanted to share my experience with you all.

Cheers again for a great site
 
HI all - I'm new to this forum, have read quite a few posts inc most of this one with interest as I'm always keen to learn :)

This seems to be the most informed board when it comes to the use of dnp so I thought I'd share my dnp exerience.

I'm female, 33 in good shape - low resting - HR low BP - been lifting heavy for a good few years and am also very fit cardio wise - my diets pretty good 85% of the time - don't smoke/drink and would consider myself quite knowledgable when it comes to supplements etc.

I had some 200mg dnp caps from Alin shop - I got them from a bb mate who took them for a few days at 200mg a day & couldn't stand the heat. I took 1 cap a day for 5 days & apart from feeling slightly warmer esp in bed I had no sides at all - so I upped to 400mg a day, half at around 9am then half at 9pm - i did this for another 6 days - again I felt a bit hotter esp at night I had trouble sleeping but I'd been having trouble sleeping before starting dnp so??

I definately noticed I was getting a bit out of breath walking esp up hill etc - i went on the x trainer at gym but only on a low setting and had the same effect - I guess this must be the dnp as I usually can do long hilly runs with no probs.

My weight sessions were not as bad as I expected - I couldn't manage as many reps and I had to drop the weight a little by day 8 but again not half as bad as I expected.

I then upped the dose to 3 caps (600mg) a day spread throughout the day - i did this for 4 days until the caps ran out!

again I noticed feeling hotter but not unbearable (but then its winter and bloody freezing here so maybe thats why) I also now noticed I had quite shallow breathing even talking on the phone - kind of like I was panting - kind of funny really:D

I didn't have any nasty rashes, didn't notice a nasty taste in my mouth or any yellowing of skin/body fluids - I managed to keep going to the gym and no-one inc my training partner comented on me smelling funny or looking awfull! I had mentioned I felt like I was getting a cold so thats why I was weaker lol:p

I was taking an ECA stack twice a day (30/200/75) throughout and all my usuall supps inc extra vit e & antioxidents

I dranks at least 4 litres (more on gym days) of water mixed with barley grass, spirulina & wheatgrass powder for its alkalizing effects on the body + its full of vits/minerals - I also made sure I kept my potasium etc up.

I didn't get any real muscle cramps/aches and basicly was/am very suprised at the lack of sides - I was expecting and had prepared myself for much worse - I'm kind of guessing that the alin shop 200mg caps were under dosed?? I did take one apart and it was crystal & not powder & yes it stained my fingers bright yellow for days and also my jeans!

If I'm completely honest I can't really comment on carb cravings because I was really quite naughty and ate quite alot of naughty stuff like chocolate + a few cakes[}:)] this was more because I thought what the hell than I was craving it - I did also kept my protein high and ate lots of good carbs & veggies but I ate lots more than I usually would and definately did not watch calories! I started at around 71/72kg and am now 68.5kg so I lost around 3 kg I would say - I can feel the weight loss in my clothes etc and so far it hasn't come back but then I've been hitting the weights hard and am back into my early am cardio.

I think had I not been on such a rollercoaster of excitment at eating so many carbs & gotton carried away with the choccy & cake my weight loss could have been more.

I'm quite muscular and train/lift heavy and can honestly say I don't think I lost any muscle mass :D 10 days after finishing I'm back and if anything my strength has increased!

I'm definately going to run another cycle of dnp & have just ordered some powder (hopefully I will receive it!) as I want to cap myself so I can be sure of the doseage - I've capped quite alot od other supps and am well prepared!

I would welcome any advice or tips on doing this or anything else I might finf useful & likewise am happy to answer any questions on my experience just ask away :)

Anyhow sorry for such a long post but I just wanted to share my experience with you all.

Cheers again for a great site

You were taking 600mgs of DNP and an ECA stack at the same time and didn't have any sides, no shaking, or sweating...nothing? :eek: P.S. Welcome
 
Hi Robyflex :)

Yes - I was taking the ECA stack before I started the dnp - Iv'e been pretty lucky with it compared to lots of folk I know who get terible shakes etc with ECA.

I take it am before cardio then again around 2 before weights - I find occasionally I feel a little excited on it especially if I don't take it for a coupla days then start again but other than that I'm very lucky:)

As for the DNP caps - I can only asume they were underdosed :confused: as I'm sure I aint a robot [:o)] unless by some miricle I happen to have a high tollerance to these things. I really was expecting way worse and after taking the first cap even started panicking slightly lol but I soon calmed down when I felt ok the next day etc.
I really did drink litres of barelygrass/spirilina etc everyday which I'm sure helped loads - I take this pretty much every day anyway but just not in such large quantities. I defo notice a lack of energy/zing if I don't have it for a few days :cool:

Am looking forward to making my own caps so I can be sure of the doseage & therefore get a better idea of the effects etc.

Thanks for the welcome :)
 
Hi Robyflex :)

Yes - I was taking the ECA stack before I started the dnp - Iv'e been pretty lucky with it compared to lots of folk I know who get terible shakes etc with ECA.

I take it am before cardio then again around 2 before weights - I find occasionally I feel a little excited on it especially if I don't take it for a coupla days then start again but other than that I'm very lucky:)

As for the DNP caps - I can only asume they were underdosed :confused: as I'm sure I aint a robot [:o)] unless by some miricle I happen to have a high tollerance to these things. I really was expecting way worse and after taking the first cap even started panicking slightly lol but I soon calmed down when I felt ok the next day etc.
I really did drink litres of barelygrass/spirilina etc everyday which I'm sure helped loads - I take this pretty much every day anyway but just not in such large quantities. I defo notice a lack of energy/zing if I don't have it for a few days :cool:

Am looking forward to making my own caps so I can be sure of the doseage & therefore get a better idea of the effects etc.

Thanks for the welcome :)

I'm leaning towards the caps being underdosed. Regardless, you seem to have an amazing tolerance for stimulants...awesome!!:) I'm very glad you joined as we only have one other female who trains on the forum. We are all interested or most of us anyway, in BB from a female's perspective. Can you tell us how long you've been training and have you used AAS, height, weight etc...? Sorry if i'm being a bit inquisitive, but it's my nature. :D
 
Hi again - no worries about the questions :)

I've been training properly, i.e with the pupose of muscle building for just under 3 years - before that I did a lot of liftling with no real purpose & a whole lot of cardio stuff, I used to surf, run, swim, gig row if it involved running around like a mad woman I did it lol[:o)]

because of all the cardio I never had lots of muscle - although I looked quite defined - I weighed around 60kg at 5.5 I'm now 68kg at 5'5 I'm fairly muscular for a girl and although I've defo got more body fat than I'd like (I'm a UK 12) I'm in pretty good shape and am happy to put up with the extra kgs for the sake of building more muscle.

I guess thats how I got interested in the dnp, I like the idea of losing a bit of fat without the muscle (dont we all!) so did loads & loads of research and finally went for it - I agree with you though and think the caps must have been underdosed. I'm really quite excited about capping my own and plan on watching my food intake more carefully this time and also taking before & after measurements to see what can be acheived if I'm smart about it.

I'v never tried aas & have no intention of trying - no disrespect to women who do but I just don't fancy the side effects (sounds silly after dnp but at least I knew I could stop the dnp) + I've no intention of competing etc - I just love training and am still getting a huge kick out of seeing my body change and muscles grow :D

I'm lucky in that I have a fantastic training partner, female, same age & height as me but a whole lot leaner - she's been into BB for 10+ years and really knows her stuff so together we really encourage /push eachother and kick some ass ha ha ha:eek:

I'd love to see more women lifting weights in our local gym but it seems so many are worried about geting bulky etc - they really don't get how much work it takes :confused:

:D:D
 
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