2,4-DiNitroPhenol [DNP]

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Credit to the gods that wrote this... :)

HOW TO NOT FUCK UP DNP:

Since some guys have been playing around and disrespecting DNP and then griping to the forums about the painful results, we need to make this VERY specific and VERY correct so that people won't keep jumping for DNP out of curiosity, or without the willpower they need to operate this respondibly. So here are my experienced guidelines to using it the RIGHT way.

FIRST GUIDLINE: Dosing. Use ONLY 200mg a day for the first four days. I don't care that you don't "feel" anything yet and you wanna bump it up. DNP accumulates in the body, and not "feeling" something means NOTHING. It's there, and it's working (the effect on metabolism begins within two hours of the first dose!). Four days will let you test your tolerance: do you have an allergy? Does it give you a rash? etc.
Only after those four days do you bump it up, by 200mg a day. The average dose is 400-600/day, and more than that gets a little severe. A full gram is the highest dose I've heard anyone use. I've used that much, and it's hell. I like to stay around 600 a day, which is HOT but safe and effective. Take caps even hours apart through the day, ending about 4-5 PM.

SECOND GUIDLINE...How to eat on DNP. This is purely personal experience, because some guys like to carb-deplete *before* using DNP (then eat carbs as usual while on), and other guys like a low-carb approach throughout. Both are fine. Using DNP is the only time that fructose is a desireable cutting carb, because it keeps the liver replentished. That reduces lethargy and spares muscle.
Be aware that eating high-carb foods WILL increase the heat sensation within an hour, and last about 2 hours. That means don't eat carbs before bed unless you want those night sweats to be even WORSE.
Personally, I ate whatever the hell I wanted! IHOP, chinese, fajitas...Yes, I burned hot, but I still lost 1.5 pounds every 2 days. Keep protein HIGH for muscles' sake, and try it yourself.

Foods I suggest including:
Blueberry yogurt. Blueberries are excellent antioxidants, and yogurt cultures help with digestive function, gas, and stool consistency (disgustingly soft stools are common during DNP).
Oregano-based foods. Oregano is perhaps one of the most potent antioxidants around,a nd one spoonful counts as a vegetable serving. See this article
Pineapple - I've found that pineapple helps alleviate those "DNP Blues". The fructose helps, and pineapple enzymes aid in protein digestion.
V8 - one 12-ounce can supplies six servings of veggies, concentrated as an excellent source of antioxidants, lycopene, and recovery of electrolytes.
Oatmeal - high-fiber foods are necessary. You'll find out why around, oh, day 5 or so. Trust me.


THIRD GUIDELINE...Supplements and DNP. I suggest:
ECA - DNP is not a stimulant. To keep energy high and aid in fat loss, use an ECA. Some advisors suggest that regular ephedrine is preferable to norephedrine because of the more direct "hit" of energy.
Prohormones - perfectly fine on DNP. I used 1-AD just to help keep strength and muscle up, and it worked fine. No problems here. You won't GROW muscle on DNP, but it'll help with strength and protection.
Obvious stuff - multivitamin, ZMA, etc.
Biotest PowerDrive - No, I'm not pimping Biotest. But PowerDrive is an excellent pre-workout mixture that actually works. Plus it's low-carb (only 15 calories total), so it won't cause carb-heat in the middle of your workout.

Antioxidants - I'm giving my own personal list, and why I use them:
Alpha Lipoic Acid - aids in fat management and blood sugar, and an excellent antioxidant.
Grape seed extract
Syntrax Radox
Green Tea
Inositol - mood enhancement, antioxidant, and muscle support. 1 gram/3x day
Ellagic acid - protects cell DNA/RNA from damage by free radicals, and may even atack cancerous cells. 400mg/twice a day
Fruit antioxidants - beyond-a-century's powder of high-potency natural fruit anti's. 1 gram, 2-3x day.
Trimethylglyceine - antioxidant, helps move fat and blood lipids into the liver and out of the body. 500mg, 2x day.
Vitamins E and C

Supplements NOT to use:
Any medications that suppress energy. No allergy meds, antidepressants, muscle relaxers, or beta blockers. DNP will have you low as it is; don't worsen your body's energy by taking something that suppresses you further.

DRUGS - Sheesh, you'd think I wouldn't have to mention this, but two idiots in particular (right here on this forum) recently affirmed that some people still just don't get it. NO alcohol (not even "moderate"), NO ecstasy, NO GHB, etc. If you don't have the willpower to forego these habits, DNP is not for you.

Syntrax Swole - a personal discovery. I tried Swole while on DNP...once. Two hours of hell, feeling inside-out.

FOURTH GUIDELINE...working out on DNP. Keep lifting short, 30-40 minutes. DNP works very well, causing your body to use 150% or more the calories per action you'd normally use. That means DON'T try to repeat your usual workouts. Drop to moderate weights, 8-12 reps, not to failure, and with plenty of walking rest between sets. You are NOT going to grow muscle on DNP, so don't use your usual heavy routine. Since DNP can cause light-headedness and heat dizzyness, you have my permission to skip squats in favor of leg presses this time.

Cardio is a controversial one. My advice - do NOT do cardio on high doses of DNP (600mg or more). It's dangerous and counterproductive. Below that amount, some cardio is fine, but keep it to 20 minutes and not at full-gallop. Remember, DNP will drain water from your quickly, causing you to leech out minerals, vitamins, and salts. Don't overdo it.

During exercise, consume at least 1 liter of water per 30 minutes of work, whether you're thirsty or not. DNP is evil in the way it blunts thirst, while at the same time doing the cruel trick of bloating your body with water WHILE dehydrating you from water in your organs. MAKE yourself drink. Always folllow DNP exercise with antioxidants, carbs, and this is a good time to use your multivitamin.

Don't feel embarrassed about poor workouts. Just this morjning I did a workout with a whopping nine sets (wimp!) before calling it quits. Listen to your body, and let it tell you when enough's enough; don't guage workouts by what you *usually* can do otherwise.

Here's my research. This is AMAZING! Not only has not a single test found it to be carcinogenic, but test after tyest after test find that DNP actually ATTACKS cancer cells, and helps anti-cancer medications work better, and helps anti-leukemia medications work without destroying cell DNA, and suppresses tumor growth by 20-50%. The summaries are all right here, friends. Karma me up!

DNP is Ames negative, and does not promote tumors. See for yourself at http://toxnet.nlm.nih.gov/

http://www.epa.gov/ttn/atw/hlthef/dinitrop.html (2,4-Dinitrophenol | Technology Transfer Network Air Toxics Web site | US EPA) reports on health risks. While there have not been human studies, animal studies found no cancers caused by DNP administration. It is considered a toxin because it causes nausea, sweating, and weight loss.

Cyberiron.com reports on halth risks from external exposue. In other words, don?t get it in your eyes, or on your skin if you?re allergic. Pretty elementary stuff.

http://www.ebec2000.com/abstracts/056.htm This animal study documents a 64% increase in metabolism. "These findings confirm that DNP effectively increases metabolic rate..." Duh.

Biosource A PDF file about an antidote to DNP.

http://www.boehringer-ingelheim.es/...glesa/cap13.htm finds that DNP did not activate liver enzymes (MAT) associated with liver damage

"Comparative study of toxicity of 4-nitrophenol and 2,4-dinitrophenol in newborn and young rats." Koizumi M, Yamamoto Y, Ito Y, Takano M, Enami T, Kamata E, Hasegawa R. Division of Risk Assessment, National Institute of Health Sciences, 1-18-1 Kamiyoga, Setagaya-ku, Tokyo 158-8501, Japan. This study found that DNP can induce death in overdosed amounts, but that up to that point no toxicity was evident, nor were there any abnormalities in physical development.

"Phenol toxicity and conjugation in human colonic epithelial cells." Pedersen G, Brynskov J, Saermark T. Dept of Medical Gastroenterology, Herlev University Hospital, Copenhagen, Denmark.. This study found that DNP has a toxic effect on cells of the colon, with "toxic" defined in two ways: first, it interfered with metabolism (this we know?it?s the intended effect of DNP users!) and second, it interfered with bowel inflammation (not a health risk. This is caused by osmotic effect, with the worst results being softened stools and gas).

"Mechanisms of bacterial resistance to macrolide antibiotics." Nakajima Y. Division of Microbiology, Hokkaido College of Pharmacy, 7-1 Katsuraoka-cho, Otaru, Hokkaido 047-0264, Japan. This study found that antibiotic-resistant bacteria could be thwarted with DNP. "the extent of the accumulated drug in a resistant cell increases as much as that in a susceptible cell in the presence of an uncoupling agent such as?2,4-dinitrophenol (DNP)."

"Absence of Crabtree effect in human melanoma cells adapted to growth at low pH: reversal by respiratory inhibitors." Burd R, Wachsberger PR, Biaglow JE, Wahl ML, Lee I, Leeper DB. Departments of Radiation Oncology, Kimmel Cancer Center, Thomas Jefferson University, Philadelphia, Pennsylvania 19107, USA. Check this out?DNP actually helps make melanoma tumors easier to attack by increasing ratio of oxygen consumption to lactic acid production, while glycolysis remains the same. "Therefore, tumor acute acidification and oxygenation can be achieved by exposure?"


"New insights in the cellular processing of platinum antitumor compounds, using fluorophore-labeled platinum complexes and digital fluorescence microscopy."
Molenaar C, Teuben JM, Heetebrij RJ, Tanke HJ, Reedijk J. Department of Molecular Cell Biology, Leiden University Medical Centre, The Netherlands. DNP is used as a control in tests of antitumor cells because it does NOT bind to cell DNA, nor promote tumors, yet its staining abilities enable tracking of the uptake of antitumor drugs.

Specific inhibition of breast cancer cells by antisense poly-DNP-oligoribonucleotides and targeted apoptosis." Ru K, Taub ML, Wang JH. Department of Biochemistry, State University of New York, Buffalo 14260-3000, USA Are you ready for this? DNP actually INHIBITS (!!!) breast cancers! Yes, not only does it NOT promote cancers, it?s being recognized as a cancer-fighter/blocker. "Two membrane-permeable and RNase-resistant antisense poly-2'-O-(2,4-dinitrophenyl)-oligoribonucleotides (poly-DNP-RNAs) have been synthesized as inhibitors of human breast cancer?fluorescence assay indicates that the targeted antisense inhibition by poly-DNP-RNAs leads to apoptosis of SK-Br-3 cells but does not affect nontumorigenic MCF-10A cells. The control poly-DNP-RNAs with random or sense nucleotide sequence are completely inactive." Plain English? DNP can be synthesized as an anti-cancer compound, because tests show that it blocks mutagens but does NOT affect non-mutagenic (healthy) cells, and has no RNA effects on them.

"Heat shock protein induction by certain chemical stressors is correlated with their cytotoxicity, lipophilicity and protein-denaturing capacity." Neuhaus-Steinmetz U, Rensing L. Institute of Cell Biology, Biochemistry and Biotechnology, NW II University of Bremen, Germany. The thermic effect of DNP induces protein synthesis (heat shock protein, or HSP, synthesis). In fact, it?s quite GOOD at it: "ASA, DNP and CCCP induced HSP at lower concentrations than substances with a similar lipophilicity?"

"Comparative effects of the metabolic inhibitors 2,4-dinitrophenol and iodoacetate on mouse neuroblastoma cells in vitro." Andres MI, Repetto G, Sanz P, Repetto M.
National Institute of Toxicology, Seville, Spain. In this study, DNP?s observed effect was an increase in metabolism (duh!), while the other toxins compared to it had harmful in vitro effects but no increase in metabolism.

"Inhibition of uncoupled respiration in tumor cells. A possible role of mitochondrial Ca2+ efflux." Gabai VL.Medical Radiology Research Center, Russian Academy of Medical Sciences, Obninsk. DNP not only does not cause tumors, but it inhibited their respiration by 20-25% compared to controls.

"Amsacrine-induced lesions in DNA and their modulation by novobiocin and 2,4-dinitrophenol." Shibuya ML, Buddenbaum WE, Don AL, Utsumi H, Suciu D, Kosaka T, Elkind MM. Department of Radiology and Radiation Biology, Colorado State University, Fort Collins 80523. In this study, researchers found that DNP abrogates?or disrupts?cytotoxicity in hamsters (using cancerous cells). They expected to find that DNP would interfere with anticancer treatments, but instead found that DNP increased their effects. They state, though, that they cannot claim a proven effect of DNP on anticancer treatments yet, although they do agree that treatment with DNP actually enhanced the effects of the DNA regenerative therapy of anticancer chemotherapy.

"Induction of endonucleolytic DNA cleavage in human acute myelogenous leukemia cells by etoposide, camptothecin, and other cytotoxic anticancer drugs: a cautionary note." Kaufmann SH. Oncology Center, Johns Hopkins Hospital, Baltimore, Maryland 21205. The authors warn that certain anti-leukemia drugs resulted in "extensive DNA degradation." BUT (good ol? DNP to the rescue!), "Preincubation with dinitrophenol abolished the effect?"

"[Dependence of the nature of the action of metabolic inhibitors on ribosomal RNA synthesis in Ehrlich ascites carcinoma cells on cell integrity]" [Article in Russian] Akhlynina TV, Buzhurina IM, Panov MA, Rozovskaia IA, Chernaia NG. DNP actually inhibits the synthesis of RNA in carcinoma cells. In other words, it helps cancerous cells commit suicide by neutering themselves. "Ribosomal RNA (rRNA) synthesis in the intact Ehrlich ascite carcinoma cells is selectively inhibited by papaverin (ED50 = 0.01 mM), 2,4-dinitrophenol (DPN; ED50 = 5 microM), and actinomycin D (ED50 = 0.1 microgram/ml)."

"Autocatabolism of surface macromolecules shed by human melanoma cells." Bystryn JC, Perlstein J. Cancer Res 1982 Jun;42(6):2232-7. This study finds that DNP helps melanoma cells die (autocatabolize) while other cells are unaffected.

http://www.geocities.com/byggdegstor/dnpforside - tons of research, including medical studies. Excerpts:

DNP does not cause liver damage: "Their analyses demonstrate, beyond a doubt, that the liver does not suffer any damage in the course of dinitro treatment." (Biological Study of Dinitro Drugs in Humans By Dr. Jacques Bell. Bell, Jacques. 1939. Etude biologique des produits dinitres chez l'homme. Medecine. 19:749-54. Translation ? 1996 Robert Ames)

Also: "Experimental studies on animals do not show toxic effects of dinitrophenol on the kidney. Anatomical-pathological examinations of animals, even those which died from a massive dose of dinitrophenol, do not reveal any important anatomical changes, except a small degree of cytolysis. Clinical documents are not abundant, but, on the whole, do not seem to demonstrate that dinitrophenol is toxic for the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol has almost no action on the blood cholesterol. (Grant and Schube)."

"it doesn't seem that dinitrophenol at usual clinical doses is likely to harm the kidneys."

"Dinitrophenol is remarkable for its absence of effect on the cardio-vascular system...dinitrophenol is absolutely devoid of toxicity for the heart."

"Dinitrophenol does not attack cell tissue albumin and does not determine the fat loss to the expense of the muscles, contrary to thyroxine."

"dinitrophenol offers this precious advantage that the cessation of its use at the slightest appearance of signs indicating an imminence of intoxication results immediately in the arrest of those symptoms." (Professor Pouchet)."


Interestingly, one medical theory on a health ADVANTAGE of DNP is that the slight increase in thermogenic temperature simulates the fever a body induces during a viral attack. The body increases itsheat to protect organs but kill viruses, and some theorize that DNP can do the same thing, thus killing viruses in the body. In this mechanism, DNP may have an immune-enhancing effect.
 
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please. thanks.

I thought I had it bookmarked but evidently I was mistaken.

I did search for it on M&M but his training ideology WRT DNP isn't some sort of Holy Grail.

I've gotten similiar results with 30 minutes of heavier lifting each morning followed by 15 minutes of jogging,the large caloric deficit and training in the AM (moreso the former) take precedence over methods of training.

Loki's idea was to do compound movements with relatively light weight and high reps with little rest.for a half hour i the AM e.g.lift at a frantic pace intil you simply cannot do so any longer.1/2 hour of this on DNP @ 600mg per day (actual DNP content,not crystalline DNP) will accomplish this.

PM training was an slow/easy 1/2 hour session on a recombant bike,being careful to avoid excessively taxing the CNS.

Sorry I couldn't follow through but I did stumble across another good thread while searching,DNP on UD 2.0,which was big tyme over on M&M back in the day.

http://www.mindandmuscle.net/forum/index.php?showtopic=10159&st=0 (MrQ's DNP Guide on UD2 - Mind and Muscle Forums)

I'd personally never do UD 2.0,as I loathe timing meals and so on.Carb loading on DNP would also pretty much take the reward out of overeating e.g. muay calentie,no bueno.
 
DNP is not harmless "just like EPO." If you overdose you will die from a fatal hyperthermia, no matter how hydrated you are. The idea that staying hydrated is all you need to do to completely prevent overheating is false.

And your prof is ???? Nothing just as usual just like all others who have their own theories

Take 1,000 mg and you die but who will do that...

take 10 grams of Tren and I am sure you will have probelms... You not me but point understood?

OK mrest my case.

You don't know nhow DNP works and I am so tired of explaining to those who assume cause they don't want newbees to get ahead....

Send me some DNP and have someone you trust in jersey to monitor my cycle then tell me your theory ... Until then please stop your theories
 
And your prof is ???? Nothing just as usual just like all others who have their own theories

Take 1,000 mg and you die but who will do that...

take 10 grams of Tren and I am sure you will have probelms... You not me but point understood?

OK mrest my case.

You don't know nhow DNP works and I am so tired of explaining to those who assume cause they don't want newbees to get ahead....

Send me some DNP and have someone you trust in jersey to monitor my cycle then tell me your theory ... Until then please stop your theories

DNP can easily cause death if not used with caution,labeling with a blanket term like "safe" is far from accurate.Taking a fraction of a gram and then proceeding to run a 5K under the August sun could kill you,there is a veriatable plethora of ways to die via DNP misuse.

Not that I need to speak for him but come on man,concede to being in the wrong.Conciliator clearly has a firm grasp on how DNP exerts its effects,this is blatantly obvious when reading over his posts on DNP.He has researched the issue thoroughly so give credit where credit is due.
 
DNP doesn't raise body tempenter but lowers it so please stop non sense......

Hydrate yourself like Animal says and use products he says to increase energy
also take in lot of carbs since it keep carbs from gettin to muscles...

Look I am drinking now so I can't descuse everything now about it but stop kissing ass please when you have no idea...

DNP is as harmless as acedaminaphine so stop the none sense.

After all these years I am still surprised to see this.

Read Animals manual and learn before speaking.

Just like Tren causes low libido after 4 yrs on it.

You guys keep working in test tubes then keep to yourself don't ever question me

Now I know why I left this place like many others
 
Tylenol can cause death too so what your point... ????

I am finished explainiing simple shit to this board who should alrready know their shit.

If you want to know fact then PM me if not then keep listening to these theories of bullshit
 
MANWHORE;610026 Look I am drinking now so I can't descuse everything now about it but stop kissing ass please when you have no idea... [/QUOTE said:
I'm not going to address the fallacies in your arguement as doing so would be fruitless but this line is classic.

FTR,no ass kissing is being performed.It's a matter of paying simple courtesy and respect towards another human being whose research deserves acknowledgement.
 
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I'm not going to address the fallacies in your arguement as doing so would be fruitless but this line is classic.
:D I love to see how far people will go arguing.

BUT you really do have no idea . I am Russian and even drinking vodka I know what I say.

I hope to be friends with you anyway..... I would hate to kill you

There is only theory trust me no real research going on ....
Not going to kill anyone either. I need permission for that as you might know already :-)

Theory is theory fact is fact .. .. .Like I say give me a ton of DNP and I take so you see fact
 
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And your prof is ???? Nothing just as usual just like all others who have their own theories
No, it's not a theory. And "just as usual" I have support for what I say. I have refereces to the orignial clinical studies on DNP, to modern academic papers on it, to case reports, etc. Would you like me to post case reports of fatal overdose where all the stops, including cooling blankets and intravenous fluids, failed to keep DNP overdose from causing fatal hyperthermia?

Take 1,000 mg and you die but who will do that...

take 10 grams of Tren and I am sure you will have probelms... You not me but point understood?

OK mrest my case.
Well, if this is your case, it was sure a poor attempt. Do you not realize you're contradicting yourself? First you say "Just stay hydrated and you will be fine..." I argued that this wasn't true and that you can overdose and die with a high enough dose, regardless of hydration. All you did with "your case" was agree with me, saying that 1 gram can kill you. If you're sensitive enough to DNP, a much lower dose can kill you, especially if you're in a hot environment, even if you're hydrated.
You don't know nhow DNP works and I am so tired of explaining to those who assume cause they don't want newbees to get ahead....
I thought this was pretty funny. You obviously have no idea what you're talking about if you think I don't know how DNP works. I'm currently writing a book on it. I think I probably know a lot more about how it works than you do.
Send me some DNP and have someone you trust in jersey to monitor my cycle then tell me your theory ... Until then please stop your theories
I think you're confused about what I was arguing. People with poor comprehension skills tend to do that a lot. Then you end up arguing about different things, because you can't stay on topic. I am not arguing that DNP cannot be used in a safe manner, without harm. People do so all the time. I am arguing that your blanket statement to "Just stay hydrated and you will be fine..." is incorrect. People who are well hydrated with IV fluids still succumb to fatal hyperthermia when a large enough dose of DNP has been taken. Yes, staying hydrated will help prevent overheating, but to a limited extent. There is no question that a very large dose of DNP can overpower the body's cooling ability, causing a fatal fever, even when a person is well hydrated. That was the original point, and it still stands. The fact that lower doses like you might take don't cause hyperthermia is irrelevant.

I'm not going to waste time responding to your other posts, which show an assinine understanding of toxicology. Water can kill people through water intoxication. It doesn't make it "just as dangerous" as tylenol or DNP or arsenic. Yes, they can all kill you in sufficient quantities. But don't ignore that those quantities vary significantly, along with their relative toxicity.
 
DNP will not raise body temp it works different then clen so think what you want as usual
This is extremely ignorant. There is no question that DNP can raise body temperature. DNP is a pure thermogenic. A direct effect of proton leak is the generation of heat. At lower doses of DNP, the body is able to dissipate that heat. Body temperature will remain within the normal range. It may even drop, as the body's thermoregulation overcompensates for the heat being produced by DNP. As the dose of DNP increases, however, it becomes increasingly difficult for the body to dissipate the additional heat. A high dose of DNP will produce a fever, with body temperature rising above the normal upper range of 99.1. In DNP logs, people report temperatures in the 100s or 101s. As explained in the original clinical research, a high temperature is the number one sign of impending toxicity, due to an excessive dose. Case reports of overdose routinely describe body temperatures rising to 104+ deg F. If you think that DNP is unable to cause hyperthermia, you're sorely mistaken.
 
Oh wise one......have a question for anyone who may have been in the same boat I'm in right now. I just recently finished a 25 day cycle of DNP at 600mg/day. I am kinda big so I needed a higher dose. 6ft 4in, 260lbs. It went great and I lost 15lbs. the only problem is for the last two weeks I have been passing a yellowish colored stool. I know its not from the color of the DNP because my sperm isn't yellow anymore. according to a medical website my liver may not be putting out enough bile into my digestive track and may be damaged. it doesn't make sense. I have taken two cycles before this over two years ago with no problems. those cycles were 30 days at 400mg. anything would help guys.
 
when did you stop taking it?

i'm a newb with dnp, but seeing as you were on for that long, at that dose, it'll probalby have some effect on your system for a while. i wouldn't gauge the concentration of it in your body by the color of you sperm though!!!!! :p

take your phsyllium husk, water, and veggies. if it doens't go away in however long, see a dr. don't mention dnp though :)
 
Oh wise one......have a question for anyone who may have been in the same boat I'm in right now. I just recently finished a 25 day cycle of DNP at 600mg/day. I am kinda big so I needed a higher dose. 6ft 4in, 260lbs. It went great and I lost 15lbs. the only problem is for the last two weeks I have been passing a yellowish colored stool. I know its not from the color of the DNP because my sperm isn't yellow anymore. according to a medical website my liver may not be putting out enough bile into my digestive track and may be damaged. it doesn't make sense. I have taken two cycles before this over two years ago with no problems. those cycles were 30 days at 400mg. anything would help guys.

I ran a high dose for that long, maybe a few days more.. I shit yellow/red during my dnp cycle and for a couple of weeks after. I don't know why it happens, but it goes away.. I haven't checked my insides though..
 
I ran a high dose for that long, maybe a few days more.. I shit yellow/red during my dnp cycle and for a couple of weeks after. I don't know why it happens, but it goes away.. I haven't checked my insides though..

hey bro, what other sides did you experience?

How was the fat loss and positive results of the cyle?
 
hey bro, what other sides did you experience?

How was the fat loss and positive results of the cyle?

Fat loss was amazing, I made a transformation. I have pictures up now post cycle but I look like a heifer especially compared to when I sat at 195 post DNP..

Sides? I was hot, I used 600mg ED for over 30 days.. My jizz was yellow.. I slept like a baby every night.. I ran a 3k and a 5k, but I ate at least a lb of fruit daily along with 1-1.5gallons of water.. I felt better on DNP than I did before, or after.. It elevated my mood big time.. I'm not normal though, according to Conc. :p
 
Fat loss was amazing, I made a transformation. I have pictures up now post cycle but I look like a heifer especially compared to when I sat at 195 post DNP..

Sides? I was hot, I used 600mg ED for over 30 days.. My jizz was yellow.. I slept like a baby every night.. I ran a 3k and a 5k, but I ate at least a lb of fruit daily along with 1-1.5gallons of water.. I felt better on DNP than I did before, or after.. It elevated my mood big time.. I'm not normal though, according to Conc. :p

you got a link to those pics bro?

You're definately a trooper, and definately not normal. But when was 'normal' really a good thing anyway? [:o)]
 
Anyone experience side effects at different times? Usually I feel fatigue and increased appetite long before I feel the heat. First 3 days of a cycle I'm on 200 mg, then 300 mg a day for the rest of the cycle. By the second day, I usually feel lethargic and unreasonably hungry (ADD meds notwithstanding), but I don't usually get night sweats until my first night on 300 mg. Is that normal, or is it all in my head? Maybe I just expect DNP to make me hungry and tired, so it does?

It's kind of getting in the way of things. I end up wasting my precious DNP because I overeat throughout the cycle and lose no weight. It's cool though, in a way. I could be the first person ever to not lose weight on a DNP/amphetamines combo.

The few times I have made it through a 2-week cycle without fucking up my diet, I lost 6 pounds in those 2 weeks. That was on 1100-1200 cals a day. I don't remember the side effects showing up so early.
 
I didnt really feel the heat until I was at 400mg a day but it never made me hungry like that. Of course ECA curbs your appetite some but still. 1100-1200 cals a day. Sheesh how much do you weigh? I'd be non functional on that low of a diet. I eat twice that and have lost 11lbs in two weeks. Of course there is a lot of hard time spent in the gym too.
 
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