A GH and fat loss protocol (rhGH lipolysis) that is science-based

[lookito]

@Type-IIx it’s my first time using hgh and I can’t tolerate subcutaneous injects (redness and pain) only intramuscular ones. I was injecting 5iu before bedtime about 90 minutes after my last meal for 1 month. Now I started the second month with 5iu immediate after I wake up and then I eat breakfast. I changed the protocol because you mentioned that IM injections have faster absorption but the serum is shorter if I understood right. My goal is anabolism because I am bulking. I wanted your opinion on that protocol or I can change something?

 

[Type-IIx]

@Type-IIx it’s my first time using hgh and I can’t tolerate subcutaneous injects (redness and pain) only intramuscular ones. I was injecting 5iu before bedtime about 90 minutes after my last meal for 1 month. Now I started the second month with 5iu immediate after I wake up and then I eat breakfast. I changed the protocol because you mentioned that IM injections have faster absorption but the serum is shorter if I understood right. My goal is anabolism because I am bulking. I wanted your opinion on that protocol or I can change something?

This is a lipolysis protocol, if your goal is anabolism there is a different logic and protocol as a result. I discuss these protocols in Bolus, which will be released soon.

 

[lookito]

This is a lipolysis protocol, if your goal is anabolism there is a different logic and protocol as a result. I discuss these protocols in Bolus, which will be released soon.

So both protocols I used are for lipolysis ? You mentioned that after the hgh injection there is insulin resistance for about 1-2 hours. So if I want anabolism results I should not eat during that time I believe.

 

[Hcuro]

Can I just idiot proof my understanding of this protocol for fat loss.

If I plan on training in the evening I should:

Eat at roughly 6pm and pin (pinning earlier isnt viable due to work)

Train at 8pm

Eat again at 10pm

 

[Hcuro]

Oh, I’m not sure if it makes a difference, but I also take sema once a week.

Should the pin stay at the same time on rest days?

 

[GoblinRaid200mg]

Skimmed through this, also waiting for the book eagerly MY WALLET IS READY.

Where did the idea that eating before a hgh injection or shortly after blunted the hgh’s affect come from?

From what I have grasped, if I want lipolysis

- Wake Up
- Eat
- Inject HGH
- Wait an hour or so prior to exercise
- Eat again 90 minutes post-workout?

What if I wanted to do another shot of HGH throughout the day how would that fit in?

 

[Type-IIx]

Skimmed through this, also waiting for the book eagerly MY WALLET IS READY.

Where did the idea that eating before a hgh injection or shortly after blunted the hgh’s affect come from?

From what I have grasped, if I want lipolysis

- Wake Up
- Eat
- Inject HGH
- Wait an hour or so prior to exercise
- Eat again 90 minutes post-workout?

What if I wanted to do another shot of HGH throughout the day how would that fit in?

The idea comes from a basic confusion with the secretagogues (efficacy is often reduced by taking around a meal), as well as the fact that natural endogenous GH secretion is stimulated during periods of short-term fasting/starvation, including the overnight fast (during sleep). Natural GH secretion is stimulated by stress, starvation, and during sleep for its anticatabolic effects on metabolism and growth. GH and IGF-I act complementarily, GH functions mainly as a signal that upregulates energy metabolite availability from the liver, reservoirs, and fat cells, whereas IGF-I facilitates their influx into peripheral cells.

Obviously, rhGH ≠ secretagogues and its exogenous use is not subject to identical conditions as endogenous GH; rather we get to inject it when we decide, and do so in a state of positive energy balance.

 

[GoblinRaid200mg]

The idea comes from a basic confusion with the secretagogues (efficacy is often reduced by taking around a meal), as well as the fact that natural endogenous GH secretion is stimulated during periods of short-term fasting/starvation, including the overnight fast (during sleep). Natural GH secretion is stimulated by stress, starvation, and during sleep for its anticatabolic effects on metabolism and growth. GH and IGF-I act complementarily, GH functions mainly as a signal that upregulates energy metabolite availability from the liver, reservoirs, and fat cells, whereas IGF-I facilitates their influx into peripheral cells.

Obviously, rhGH ≠ secretagogues and its exogenous use is not subject to identical conditions as endogenous GH; rather we get to inject it when we decide, and do so in a state of positive energy balance.

So effectively I have been avoiding food prior to my GH shot which is often before I lift purely on the basis of broscience and because people can’t grasp the difference between peptide releasing hgh and rhGH…..Well looking forward to your book got a lot to learn

 

[Hcuro]

Can I just idiot proof my understanding of this protocol for fat loss.

If I plan on training in the evening I should:

Eat at roughly 6pm and pin (pinning earlier isnt viable due to work)

Train at 8pm

Eat again at 10pm

@Type-IIx

Am I on the right track with this? Found this entire thread fascinating. Just want to be sure.

 

[Type-IIx]

@Type-IIx

Am I on the right track with this? Found this entire thread fascinating. Just want to be sure.

Yes, that sounds fine.

 

[TRENdy07]

Skimmed through this, also waiting for the book eagerly MY WALLET IS READY.

Where did the idea that eating before a hgh injection or shortly after blunted the hgh’s affect come from?

From what I have grasped, if I want lipolysis

- Wake Up
- Eat
- Inject HGH
- Wait an hour or so prior to exercise
- Eat again 90 minutes post-workout?

What if I wanted to do another shot of HGH throughout the day how would that fit in?

Wait, I thought we should avoid food a a while before our hgh to reduce insulin resistance. Are you using insulin?

 

[Deadp007]

Yeah I'm confused.
I thought if we dosed HGH when insulin was high that it lowered HGH levels.
But actually its that endogenous secretion of HGH is lowered while in a state of higher insulin & that it has no bearing with exogenous HGH.
(But it can reduce insulin resistance)...?

 

[FrostHammer]

@Type-IIx Can I send you some money for a pdf copy of Bolus?

 

[Type-IIx]

Yeah I'm confused.
I thought if we dosed HGH when insulin was high that it lowered HGH levels.
But actually its that endogenous secretion of HGH is lowered while in a state of higher insulin & that it has no bearing with exogenous HGH.
(But it can reduce insulin resistance)...?

RhGH increases insulin secretion in a state of positive energy balance, ~8 - 10 hr post-bolus.

 

[Type-IIx]

@Type-IIx Can I send you some money for a pdf copy of Bolus?

I promise to get the book released soon, I'm working to have a site launched that'll be my base of operations for books & publications, coaching & consultancy. Meso will be my main forum and I'll write articles for this site primarily.

 

[Deadp007]

I promise to get the book released soon, I'm working to have a site launched that'll be my base of operations for books & publications, coaching & consultancy. Meso will be my main forum and I'll write articles for this site primarily.

Have you read Alex Kikels "The Somatropic Bible For Athletics" book & if so what will yours offer that his doesn't?
*not trying to sound like a asshat

 

[Type-IIx]

Have you read Alex Kikels "The Somatropic Bible For Athletics" book & if so what will yours offer that his doesn't?
*not trying to sound like a asshat

I know enough of Kikel's work to know it's garbage, replete with falsehoods. He claimed that there are hundreds of endogenous GH isoforms in that book. There are exactly 3 (and 1 is exclusive to pregnant women, 22,321Da GH [GH2; GH-V] that is placentally-secreted). The others are 22K-GH (the good shit; somatotropin, to which Somatropin or rhGH is identical) and 20K-GH (marked by ↓GHBP affinity, ↓site 1 binding... ≈ in vitro potency to 22K-GH due to ↓20K clearance and/or maintained dimerization domain with GHR interaction compensating for ↓site, it's a "weak lactogen" & has a tendency to dimerize, decreasing its in vivo potency at the GH receptor at the very least and probably contributing to worse side effects).

 

[Deadp007]

I know enough of Kikel's work to know it's garbage, replete with falsehoods. He claimed that there are hundreds of endogenous GH isoforms in that book. There are exactly 3 (and 1 is exclusive to pregnant women, 22,321Da GH [GH2; GH-V] that is placentally-secreted). The others are 22K-GH (the good shit; somatotropin, to which Somatropin or rhGH is identical) and 20K-GH (marked by ↓GHBP affinity, ↓site 1 binding... ≈ in vitro potency to 22K-GH due to ↓20K clearance and/or maintained dimerization domain with GHR interaction compensating for ↓site, it's a "weak lactogen" & has a tendency to dimerize, decreasing its in vivo potency at the GH receptor at the very least and probably contributing to worse side effects).

Thank you for the reply, I didn't expect such a thorough answer.
Will it help us low brows set up a HGH protocol for specific goals ie atrophy, fast-loss, longevity?
Any preview of the table of contents?
(really chomping at the bit for your book)

 

[Deadp007]

Thank you for the reply, I didn't expect such a thorough answer.
Will it help us low brows set up a HGH protocol for specific goals ie atrophy, fast-loss, longevity?
Any preview of the table of contents?
(really chomping at the bit for your book)

specific goals ie HYPERtrophy, fast-loss, longevity?

 

[Type-IIx]

Thank you for the reply, I didn't expect such a thorough answer.
Will it help us low brows set up a HGH protocol for specific goals ie atrophy, fast-loss, longevity?
Any preview of the table of contents?
(really chomping at the bit for your book)

Table of Contents for Bolus (Dec 10 2022)
download link [pdf]