AAS and Cardiovascular/Pulmonary Function

Yea well “patient reports” are like opinions everyone’s got one.

It should be no surprise, those who are doing well bc of a specific form of medical therapy, almost always find better things to do with their time than report on some blog, forum or board.

In other words, consider the source before you determine credibility.

Jim
 
Yea well “patient reports” are like opinions everyone’s got one.

It should be no surprise, those who are doing well bc of a specific form of medical therapy, almost always find better things to do with their time than report on some blog, forum or board.

In other words, consider the source before you determine credibility.

Jim
Your my voice of reason. I was thinking the same thing!! I feel great on it so far.
 
Your my voice of reason. I was thinking the same thing!! I feel great on it so far.

Actually I may have misinterpreted your question, in that I was replying to the use of CCBs as therapy for HAs, which are a well recognized side effect of NTG based products.

To that end CCBs are used by many cardiologists as antianginal agents, esp in patients with “cardiomyopathy”.

Moreover they are also considered first line therapy in folk with HTN according to the recently released 2017 AHA guidelines.

Bottom line I’d follow your cardiologist advice mate.

Jim
 
Actually I may have misinterpreted your question, in that I was replying to the use of CCBs as therapy for HAs, which are a well recognized side effect of NTG based products.

To that end CCBs are used by many cardiologists as antianginal agents, esp in patients with “cardiomyopathy”.

Moreover they are also considered first line therapy in folk with HTN according to the recently released 2017 AHA guidelines.

Bottom line I’d follow your cardiologist advice mate.

Jim
From the little research I've done it seems alot of pcp's use this med for BP control. Those were the patients complaining of heart "issues". Those who use it for angina or coronary artery spasms(like myself), seem to tolerate it very well. You know I always like to ask other doctors opinions on here(especially you). Bottom line I feel much better since starting the medication. But I will continue to watch for any swelling of my ankles. Thanks Doc.
 
consuming alot of meat is a bigger factor IMO, and bbers tend to eat alot of it.
I've personally cut out all red meat. Still eat chicken and fish but will only have red meat once every month. I miss it but my cholesterol has gone down.
 


Is it time to retire cholesterol tests?

The next time you go in for a medical checkup, your doctor will probably make a mistake that could endanger your life, contends cardiologist Allan Sniderman of McGill University in Montreal, Canada. Most physicians order what he considers the wrong test to gauge heart disease risk: a standard cholesterol readout, which may indicate levels of low-density lipoprotein (LDL) or non-high density lipoprotein (non-HDL) cholesterol. What they should request instead, Sniderman argues, is an inexpensive assay for a blood protein known as apolipoprotein B (apoB).

ApoB indicates the number of cholesterol-laden particles circulating in the blood—a truer indicator of the threat to our arteries than absolute cholesterol levels, some researchers believe. Sniderman asserts that routine apoB tests, which he says cost as little as $20, would identify millions more patients who could benefit from cholesterol-cutting therapies and would spare many others from unnecessary treatment. "If I can diagnose [heart disease] more accurately using apoB, and if I can treat more effectively using apoB, it's worth 20 bucks," he says.

Sniderman and a cadre of other scientists have been stumping for apoB for years, but recent reanalyses of clinical data, together with genetic studies, have boosted their confidence. At last month's American Heart Association (AHA) meeting in Anaheim, California, for example, Sniderman presented a new take on the National Health and Nutrition Examination Survey (NHANES), a famous census of the U.S. population's health.

The reexamination, which compared people with different apoB levels but the same non-HDL cholesterol readings, crystallizes the importance of measuring the protein, he says. Across the United States, patients who have the highest apoB readings will suffer nearly 3 million more heart attacks, strokes, and other cardiovascular events in the next 15 years than will people with the lowest levels, Sniderman reported. As lipidologist Daniel Rader of the University of Pennsylvania Perelman School of Medicine puts it, the question of whether LDL cholesterol is the best measure of cardiovascular risk now has a clear answer: "No."

But plenty of scientists disagree.

Going to ask Dr. Marieb about this test tomorrow when I see him. Interesting stuff.
 
Although LDL/HDL assays remain the "standard", it's difficult to discount the evidence supporting APO-B as a superior CV risk assessment tool especially in those on statin therapy.

That being said, I'm much more concerned about those whom are cycling AAS in their youth who have neglected to perform either assay, falling prey to the notion they will
be spared the adverse effects of AAS on serum lipids.

Nothing new really, bc as Ive mentioned on multiple occasions ------ BASELINE labs are a critical component of responsible AAS use, and if the unexpected death of a TWENTY SIX year old BB doesn't highlight or legitimize that point, nothing will IMO
 
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I've personally cut out all red meat. Still eat chicken and fish but will only have red meat once every month. I miss it but my cholesterol has gone down.

Exclusive of some metabolic/genetic defect, it's the EXCESSES in life that tend to result in unexpected mortality and/or morbidity HC, and MANY of those whom have used AAS in HIGH dosages provide testimony (unfortunately much of it is unpublished) to that end.

JIM
 
Exclusive of some metabolic/genetic defect, it's the EXCESSES in life that tend to result in unexpected mortality and/or morbidity HC, and MANY of those whom have used AAS in HIGH dosages provide testimony (unfortunately much of it is unpublished) to that end.

JIM
Very true Doc. With my issues I just decided to make that lifestyle change. My cholesterol would always hover around 200-205. Which as you know isn't very good. Last checked it was 180. Still on the upper end of normal but still better. I just get scared about plaque buildup. I don't need that getting any worse. Red meat just scares me since I've been through all of this. I know I'm being paranoid, but you know how I get.
You are exactly right though. We are a country of more is better. And I've learned the hard way that narrative is false!
 
Rezanezhad B, Borgquist R, Willenheimer R, Elzanaty S. Association between serum levels of testosterone and biomarkers of subclinical atherosclerosis. Aging Male 2017:1-5. http://www.tandfonline.com/doi/abs/10.1080/13685538.2017.1412422?journalCode=itam20

OBJECTIVE: To investigate the association between serum levels of testosterone and biomarkers of subclinical atherosclerosis based on data from 119 middle-aged men of the general population.

METHODS: Testosterone, Apolipoprotein A-1 (ApoA-1), Apolipoprotein B (ApoB), Apolipoprotein B-to-Apolipoprotein A-1 ratio (ApoB-to-ApoA-1), high-sensitive C-reactive protein (hsCRP), and fibrinogen levels were measured. Data were also gathered based on age, BMI, waist circumference, smoking, alcohol consumption, and family history of cardiovascular diseases. Men were classified into two groups based on testosterone levels: hypogonadal (testosterone </=12 nmol/L) and eugonadal men (testosterone >12 nmol/L).

RESULTS: When compared to eugonadal, the hypogonadal men were significantly older (56 years vs. 55 years, p = .03), had greater BMI (28 kg/cm(2) vs. 26 kg/cm(2), p = .01), and higher waist circumference (104 cm vs. 100 cm, p = .01).

Moreover, ApoB, ApoB-to-ApoA-1 ratio, and hsCRP were significantly higher in hypogonadal men compared to eugonadal men (1.1 g/L vs. 1.0 g/L, p = .03), (0.8 vs. 0.7, p = .03), (3.3 mg/L vs. 2.0 mg/L, p = .01), respectively. On the other hand, ApoA-1 and fibrinogen levels did not differ significantly between groups (p > .05).

In an adjusted multivariate regression analysis model, only ApoB showed a significant negative association with testosterone levels (beta = -0.01; 95% CI = -0.02, -1.50; p = .04).

CONCLUSION: Testosterone levels showed an inverse relation to ApoB, a biomarker implicated in subclinical atherosclerosis. These findings support the hypothesis that low testosterone levels play a role in atherosclerosis.
 
@Michael Scally MD

IYO, is the model used by the authors of sufficient quality or power to account for those changes in Apo-B due to other cardiac risk factors, namely; Age, BMI, waist circumference?

Thx

Jim
 
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Thoracoabdominal Aneurysm in a Professional Body Builder

A 33-year-old, otherwise healthy man presented with worsening epigastric and flank pain for 3 weeks. He denied having vomiting, diarrhea, fever, urinary symptoms or history of kidney stones. His vital signs were significant for a blood pressure of 140/72 mmHg and pulse rate of 94 bpm. Acute coronary syndrome was excluded by electrocardiography.

A computed tomography (CT) scan of the chest and abdomen with contrast demonstrated aneurysmal dilation of the entire length of descending thoracic and abdominal aorta with the proximal descending thoracic aorta measuring about 4.8 cm in diameter [Figure 1].

Chamarthi G, Koratala A. Thoracoabdominal Aneurysm in a Professional Body Builder. The American Journal of Medicine. Redirecting
 

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Androgens and Cardiovascular Disease in Women and Men

Highlights
· Both high and low levels of endogenous androgens have been associated with increased rates of cardiovascular disease in women.
· Adiposity, impaired glucose metabolism, dyslipidemia and endogenous estrogens may mediate these associations.
· Testosterone therapy in women, indicated for hypoactive sexual desire disorder, should be monitored with regard to cardiovascular safety, as long - term studies are still missing.
· Low levels of endogenous androgens have been associated with increased rates of cardiovascular disease in men. The causality of this association remains to be proven.
· Testosterone therapy instituted for men or women requires careful monitoring.

Cardiovascular disease is the leading cause of death in both women and men. Its pathogenesis is multifactorial, with sex hormones playing an important role. Androgens have both direct and indirect effects on the vasculature. This review summarizes evidence on the association of both endogenous and exogenous androgens with subclinical and overt cardiovascular disease in women and men.

Concerning women, both high and low levels of endogenous androgens have been associated with cardiovascular disease, while other studies have reported no association. Adiposity, impaired glucose metabolism, dyslipidemia and estrogen levels may mediate the observed associations. Regarding testosterone therapy in women, there have been no large prospective studies on cardiovascular outcomes.

Concerning men, most studies indicate that low levels of circulating testosterone are associated with increased rates of cardiovascular disease in the general population; the causality, however, of this association remains to be proven.

Testosterone replacement therapy in men with symptoms of hypogonadism and low serum testosterone merits caution with regard to cardiovascular safety, as evidence is still conflicting.

Armeni E, Lambrinoudaki I. Androgens and cardiovascular disease in women and men. Maturitas 2017;104:54-72. http://dx.doi.org/10.1016/j.maturitas.2017.07.010
 
Thoracoabdominal Aneurysm in a Professional Body Builder

A 33-year-old, otherwise healthy man presented with worsening epigastric and flank pain for 3 weeks. He denied having vomiting, diarrhea, fever, urinary symptoms or history of kidney stones. His vital signs were significant for a blood pressure of 140/72 mmHg and pulse rate of 94 bpm. Acute coronary syndrome was excluded by electrocardiography.

A computed tomography (CT) scan of the chest and abdomen with contrast demonstrated aneurysmal dilation of the entire length of descending thoracic and abdominal aorta with the proximal descending thoracic aorta measuring about 4.8 cm in diameter [Figure 1].

Chamarthi G, Koratala A. Thoracoabdominal Aneurysm in a Professional Body Builder. The American Journal of Medicine. Redirecting


So a 33 year old, with an 10 year hx of PED use develops a "triple A";

CONCLUSION "PEDs were the most likely etiology of his condition". Sorry but far to much information is MIA to formulate such an evidence based conclusion.

Anecdotal cause and effect relationships such as these are best avoided regardless of messenger.

JIM
 
@Michael Scally MD as your earlier citation piqued my interest with respect to the use of PEDs and "aortic emergencies", here's a followup case report and literature review.

To that end exclusive of congenital abnormalities and a few other rare diseases, "uncontrolled" HTN remains the primary risk factor for aortic catastrophies.

I only mention the latter bc in spite of the association bt AAS and HTN, many "cyclists" have NEVER had their BP checked !

JIM
 
I'll have to post a "link" as the file is to large at only six pages ???

For future reference, @Millard Baker what is Meso's server download capacity ?

Thx
JIM
 
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I'll have to post a "link" as the file is to large at only six pages ???

For future reference, @Millard Baker what is Meso's server download capacity ?

Thx
JIM
The maximum attachment file size is 40 MB. But there seems to be a problem with larger uploads that I will look into.
 
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