ANONYMOUS_ANABOLICS

[Theonejuicedaddy]

Suboxone is a double edged sword. If used properly it will help people but it is harder to stop than the Os and H IMO

Plus for many years we would hoard suboxone just for the days that we couldn’t score any dope so we didn’t get sick. Suboxone for a while just bought us a day or two to get more money or get through a family event you didn’t want to go to looking half dead. After the subs wire off is was back to the race.

They are good if your ready to stop but the patient needs to know how hard it is to stop. 10-12 years ago nobody told us the cons to them. Nor do I think the pharma co told the doctors

I agree. Suboxone still binds to opioid receptors..so it still has the dependency and withdrawal issues. But, it works if someone truly wants sobriety and any addict knows that trying to "taper" off junk is impossible unless you are in the 1% with an iron will, or were able to cold turkey by locking yourself in your house for 5 days while having someone administer you clonidine and xanax lol.
Personally, I found that Suboxone detox is easier than all the opioids I used to use. I think a major problem is that doctors taper people very quickly rather than slowly, and many doctors are making people drop when they are still using 2mg or even more. Of course you are going to detox bad if stop that high; 2mg of Bupe is still very strong. If doctors didn't start people at 16-24mg (very very few people need more than 8mg starting IMO), and if they tapered people down to 0.25-0.5mg before cutting, people would have an easier time. Suboxone for me also helped me get rid of the addict mindset of dosing every few hours. The act of using drugs is a big part of addiction. Breaking that cycle of NEEDING to re-dose every 3-4 hours is one of the reasons why I believe Suboxone is effective. Everyone is different. Some people have a really hard time detoxing from Bupe (generally I think that is due to poor or ill-informed tapering protocols from doctors though) and say it is harder than the junk, but some people who taper "correctly" have a much easier time.

 

[Theonejuicedaddy]

Suboxone isn't exactly the lesser of two evils that it's touted to be. The way it binds so tightly to the receptor and it's long half-life make withdrawal from it agonizing.

Short term use is key, otherwise you're just trading one nasty drug for a drug that's equally as nasty, if not nastier, depending on what drug it's being used to replace.

I agree. I believe some people need to be on it longer to ensure long-term recovery. The long term recovery rates of patients who used Suboxone for around 6 months are much higher than patients who hopped on, tapered, and detoxed in a 1 month period. Addiction is so much more than losing the physical dependence. You NEED to heal your mind and find why you struggled with addiction and fix that. Otherwise you will most likely detox, and be using something again down the road.

If someone "needs" to stay on suboxone long term, which would be a case of perhaps someone who got addicted to opioids because of long term high-scale chronic pain and needs to get off opioids but still needs pain relief, then I would suggest tapering down to lowest effective dose, like 2mg, and keep that as your maintenance dose so that eventually they can taper down to a "quitting dose" much more easily instead of staying on a high dose for a longer period of time and solidifying their dependence even further.

 

[Theonejuicedaddy]

Whatever works. Suboxone has helped save a few close friends that would undoubtedly be dead long ago without it. So props to you for doing what needed to be done and getting your life back. I'm sure it wasn't easy regardless of the method used to achieve sobriety.

How long have you been clean?

I have only been clean one year, I am still a baby in that aspect I was on opioid pain management since I was very young, but my "addiction" to opioids was only about 1-1.5 years; before that I was using my medication as I was supposed to and was not abusing or seeking more drugs. It will be a happy day for me when my length of sobriety is longer than the length of my addiction lol.

 

[Theonejuicedaddy]

i don't think most doctors knew shit about it when they first hit the scene.

A customer of my old dealer was told by their doctor that subs weren't addictive and that the withdrawal they were experiencing was all in their head.

Kinda scary to think someone with an advanced education is pushing drugs on patients when they know next to nothing about it. It's pretty reckless, IMO.

Agreed. Even today many doctors are naive and really don't CARE about their patients, its just a lucrative income stream for them. But 10 years ago when this stuff was new to the scene, the lack of knowledge was even worse. But really the manufacturer is partly to blame; suboxone is not a cheap medication. There is no money to be made if people don't use suboxone for very long...the longer people use, the more money big pharma makes. What would their incentive be to educate on proper suboxone use and how to taper correctly and having patients cease use? The drug pamphlet used to (it might still) recommend people start at 16-32mg...that is ASININE!! Even many heavy IV opioid users generally would do fine starting at 8mg.

 

[Theonejuicedaddy]

Yup. They don’t give a damn about cures, they need lifelong customers.

EXACTLY. Which is why they had doctors prescribe a starting dose that is 2-4 times more than needed, and didn't inform doctors of good tapering protocols. They don't make money if patients only use it for a very short period of time.

 

[Theonejuicedaddy]

I'm out of town for a family emergency. My brother got jumped by some scumbags. He's ok but took a good beating and is in the hospital. I don't have my laptop with the security protocols in place so I will get back to everyone later tonight or tomorrow. There's like 3 maybe 4 orders that still have to go out. All of those sample gh kits and about 15 other orders should be dropping today. Will get back to everyone ASAP.

Praying for a speedy recovery! Be well brother

 

[Evom1]

So the double header pills work lol
Gave one a shot tonight. And finally just gave up because I wasn't ever going to cum.

A+

 

[HIGHRISK]

So the double header pills work lol
Gave one a shot tonight. And finally just gave up because I wasn't ever going to cum.

A+

Have u tried the straight depoxetine?

 

[Evom1]

Have u tried the straight depoxetine?

I grabbed a pack of both. Figured I'd start with the double header since its a smaller dose.

 

[Harmswhey]

1 dapox 2 hr before worked well for me.

 

[rugerjitsu]

Have u tried the straight depoxetine?

Serious question...

Is this more for younger guys that don’t last long?? I’m 41, and with viagra I will treat my wife like I’m the hard ass dick I was in my teens...I’m afraid something like depox would eliminate all chances of a money shot! Am I right?

 

[mdhx3]

Serious question...

Is this more for younger guys that don’t last long?? I’m 41, and with viagra I will treat my wife like I’m the hard ass dick I was in my teens...I’m afraid something like depox would eliminate all chances of a money shot! Am I right?

It makes it take much, much longer to get off.
Only tried it once. I almost gave up before it ended. It was a no-shit 90 minute cardio session with no breaks except position changes.
My wife said never ever again.

 

[Anonymous_anabolics]

Just wanted to say thank you to all you guys for the show of love and support. It really means a lot and is greatly appreciated. My brother is going to be ok. Doctors say he should make a full recovery. A little banged up with some scrapes and bruises, a few stitches, a couple busted ribs but it looks worse than it actually is.

All I gotta say is Karma is a bitch and one day (in this life or the next) they'll get what they got coming to them.

 

[rugerjitsu]

Just wanted to say thank you to all you guys for the show of love and support. It really means a lot and is greatly appreciated. My brother is going to be ok. Doctors say he should make a full recovery. A little banged up with some scrapes and bruises, a few stitches, a couple busted ribs but it looks worse than it actually is.

All I gotta say is Karma is a bitch and one day (in this life or the next) they'll get what they got coming to them.

God damn, busted ribs are no fun...fuck laughing, coughing, and god bless his heart if he has to sneeze the next few days! God speed to him!

 

[Anonymous_anabolics]

Wanted to throw some love back in your direction so I have a serious question and not just trying to have you guys air your dirty laundry.

How many of you guys are ex-addicts/in recovery/sober?

Whether it's one week or one decade...every day should be considered a big deal so pat yourself on the back and celebrate your achievement.

 

[Anonymous_anabolics]

Serious question...

Is this more for younger guys that don’t last long?? I’m 41, and with viagra I will treat my wife like I’m the hard ass dick I was in my teens...I’m afraid something like depox would eliminate all chances of a money shot! Am I right?

God damn, busted ribs are no fun...fuck laughing, coughing, and god bless his heart if he has to sneeze the next few days! God speed to him!

I know. I was busting his chops earlier and told him he should thank those guys cuz they actually did him a favor and made him better looking. He started laughing and it almost brought him to tears it hurt so bad.

About the dapox...it can definitely prevent you from getting off if you take even just a little too much. Have to experiment with dosing and timing to find the sweet spot where it gives you more time but doesn't prevent you from hitting the money shot.

 

[Daver]

Wanted to throw some love back in your direction so I have a serious question and not just trying to have you guys air your dirty laundry.

How many of you guys are ex-addicts/in recovery/sober?

Whether it's one week or one decade...every day should be considered a big deal so pat yourself on the back and celebrate your achievement.

Broke my rib week ago and havent been able to work out properly and its driving me crazy but i honestly feel just a few days away from where i was before the injury when it comes to benching. As far as squating and deadlifting who knows. Give ur bro some tylenol 3 and valium for the spasms hope that helps. I broke my lower 9th rib on my left side wich ones did ur bro break?

 

[Anonymous_anabolics]

Broke my rib week ago and havent been able to work out properly and its driving me crazy but i honestly feel just a few days away from where i was before the injury when it comes to benching. As far as squating and deadlifting who knows. Give ur bro some tylenol 3 and valium for the spasms hope that helps. I broke my lower 9th rib on my left side wich ones did ur bro break?

I'm not really sure. I remember when he was first admitted they were worried about him developing a pneumothorax but after CT scan it showed they were only cracked and not actually broken.

 

[Anonymous_anabolics]

So I'm thinking about changing up the orals bag. Should I stick with the glossy green or go with one of these...


I like the five in the top row.

From left to right:
Gloss black, green, gold, white, silver, matte black.

 

[Anonymous_anabolics]

Here's a few shots with a label on them as an example.