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119/73, 65 bpm

I'm usually under 120/80, but seeing as how I'm getting older I'd like to be around 110/60.......then again I have no idea how my body would react with those numbers?

I'd REALLY like to know the average bp and bg of all the men who live to be 90 years old. There's got to be some info floating around I would assume.

Anywho :)
 
Conventional doctors diagnose hypertension when a patient’s readings exceed 140/90. The scientific literature, however, indicates that the ideal range should be around 115/75.3 When blood pressure exceeds 115/75, there is an increased risk of heart attack and stroke, which are the leading causes of disability and death in modern societies.4

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FN 4 article:

www.thelancet.com

Age-specific relevance of usual blood pressure to vascular mortality: a meta-analysis of individual data for one million adults in 61 prospective studies

Throughout middle and old age, usual blood pressure is strongly and directly related to vascular (and overall) mortality, without any evidence of a threshold down to at least 115/75 mm Hg.
www.thelancet.com

pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov

Age-specific relevance of usual blood pressure to vascular mortality: a meta-analysis of individual data for one million adults in 61 prospective studies - PubMed

Throughout middle and old age, usual blood pressure is strongly and directly related to vascular (and overall) mortality, without any evidence of a threshold down to at least 115/75 mm Hg.
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
 
malfeasance said:
Conventional doctors diagnose hypertension when a patient’s readings exceed 140/90. The scientific literature, however, indicates that the ideal range should be around 115/75.3 When blood pressure exceeds 115/75, there is an increased risk of heart attack and stroke, which are the leading causes of disability and death in modern societies.4

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Generic telmisartan offers blood pressure control, improves insulin sensitivity, boosts mitochondrial activity, and enhances endothelial function.
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Interesting, but again I'd like to know the medical info of men who live to be 90 or older. Were they on medications like this? Maybe metformin? Did they naturally have ideal bg/bp levels? What did their blood work regularly show regarding hemoglobin, lipids, iron and so on? What was their diet/lifestyle like?

This is all the stuff I'm currently researching and find fascinating!
 
malfeasance said:
Conventional doctors diagnose hypertension when a patient’s readings exceed 140/90. The scientific literature, however, indicates that the ideal range should be around 115/75.3 When blood pressure exceeds 115/75, there is an increased risk of heart attack and stroke, which are the leading causes of disability and death in modern societies.4

Why Telmisartan Is Best For Blood Pressure - Life Extension

Generic telmisartan offers blood pressure control, improves insulin sensitivity, boosts mitochondrial activity, and enhances endothelial function.
www.lifeextension.com www.lifeextension.com
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This is a weird usage of the word "conventional" doctors. This is simply being evidence-based. Any doctor knows that there is an increased risk of mortality from coronary heart disease and stroke beyond 115/75 mmHg. There's nothing new about that, it's in any physiology textbook. However, any doctor also knows, except apparently this one, that the threshold for hypertension/treatment is set at 135-140 mmHg in primary prevention because treatment doesn't confer benefit below these values: Association of Blood Pressure Lowering With Mortality and Cardiovascular Disease Across Blood Pressure Levels: A Systematic Review and Meta-analysis - PubMed

It's better to rely on guidelines set by, for example, the Europan Society of Cardiology: https://academic.oup.com/eurheartj/article/39/33/3021/5079119
 
My blood pressure has been shit this cycle. I was riding high 130 over 80 and up, often 135 over 85. Tren was the worst offender. I hit 150 over 100.

I came off everything about 2-3 weeks ago down to a nice cruise. Been hitting the cardio hard, and finally had it in me to quit smoking. It's been one week now.

Today's the first time I take my BP and I'm happy with it.

The biggest offender for my high blood pressure however wasn't my vices or steroids (mostly).

It was the stress. I've been busting ass for 2 years working 50 hours a week plus going to school 40 hours a week.

I saw my doc 3 weeks ago and I got put down with a professional burnout and my BP was 150/80 in her office. She chalked it up to white coat syndrome, but ordered a MAPPA test to be performed over my summer break to establish a proper baseline.

Since that meeting, I haven't worked, and have been doing my best to relax a little bit. Lo and behold, it worked. My resting heart rate is also down by 15-20BPM

All this to say is take care of yourselves, guys. Manage stress the best you can, because it will kill you. My doc said it absolutely can swing your blood pressure by 30 points.
 

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Skarpyona said:
My blood pressure has been shit this cycle. I was riding high 130 over 80 and up, often 135 over 85. Tren was the worst offender. I hit 150 over 100.

I came off everything about 2-3 weeks ago down to a nice cruise. Been hitting the cardio hard, and finally had it in me to quit smoking. It's been one week now.

Today's the first time I take my BP and I'm happy with it.

The biggest offender for my high blood pressure however wasn't my vices or steroids (mostly).

It was the stress. I've been busting ass for 2 years working 50 hours a week plus going to school 40 hours a week.

I saw my doc 3 weeks ago and I got put down with a professional burnout and my BP was 150/80 in her office. She chalked it up to white coat syndrome, but ordered a MAPPA test to be performed over my summer break to establish a proper baseline.

Since that meeting, I haven't worked, and have been doing my best to relax a little bit. Lo and behold, it worked. My resting heart rate is also down by 15-20BPM

All this to say is take care of yourselves, guys. Manage stress the best you can, because it will kill you. My doc said it absolutely can swing your blood pressure by 30 points.
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I agree about stress, but smoking was a HUGE factor especially smoking combined with aas!

And whenever you start feeling stressed start taking deep breaths and start counting to 20 with your eyes closed, so best not to do when driving lol. Also I found my bp went down a bit when I gave up dairy so worth trying.

I also take in a good amount of fiber daily from mini wheats and low sodium triscats, and aside from that it's poached eggs, plain chicken with plain rice and low sodium.
 
Badandy said:
Just increasing my trt from 150 to 200. My no average went from 125 to 132. Not that big of a deal. But I also noticed. That by blood pressure is also more sensitive to caffeine and preworkouts. Prolonged high blood pressure leads to congestive heart failure.
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I hope @Badandy does not mind me sharing his quote from another thread here, but this seemed very relevant to our discussion.

Has anybody else experimented like this?
 
Just got back from seeing my doc and my bp reading from him was 110/73 :)

My in person readings are always around 110-115/70s so clearly my home unit is off a bit.
 
Also doc can't explain the skipped heartbeats I get daily, but he looked over the results from my stress test/ekg/echocardiogram/halter monitor and said my heart is in perfect shape and my stress test results were 12 and he said that means my heart could handle climbing Mt. Everest lol. Doing another set of bloods tomorrow just to check everything, but few so for all blood work the past 6 months comes back normal.
 
malfeasance said:
Why do you think your home unit is off a bit, when the readings are the same?
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When I got home my machine result was 124/82 and that was after relaxing so clearly the machine is off a bit considering I was 110/73 an hour earlier after walking up 3 flights of stairs to my doctor's office.
 
Skarpyona said:
My blood pressure has been shit this cycle. I was riding high 130 over 80 and up, often 135 over 85. Tren was the worst offender. I hit 150 over 100.

I came off everything about 2-3 weeks ago down to a nice cruise. Been hitting the cardio hard, and finally had it in me to quit smoking. It's been one week now.

Today's the first time I take my BP and I'm happy with it.

The biggest offender for my high blood pressure however wasn't my vices or steroids (mostly).

It was the stress. I've been busting ass for 2 years working 50 hours a week plus going to school 40 hours a week.

I saw my doc 3 weeks ago and I got put down with a professional burnout and my BP was 150/80 in her office. She chalked it up to white coat syndrome, but ordered a MAPPA test to be performed over my summer break to establish a proper baseline.

Since that meeting, I haven't worked, and have been doing my best to relax a little bit. Lo and behold, it worked. My resting heart rate is also down by 15-20BPM

All this to say is take care of yourselves, guys. Manage stress the best you can, because it will kill you. My doc said it absolutely can swing your blood pressure by 30 points.
Click to expand...
Congrats on quitting smoking, buddy!
 
malfeasance said:
As stated above, stopped taking one BP med, lowered testosterone down to 150 mg (from 250) and added hgh. Resumed cardio again, too (2nd day in on cardio, which sucks, boring, hate it).

133/73, 73 bpm
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Cardio blows but helps with fat and BP. Just upped it again myself. 1 hour daily minimum
 
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