[Bloodwork] Watson Test Cyp

[I_know_nothing]

Once again, you are completely and totally full of utter shit.

The 10x rule is a tool/estimate that doc mentioned was very useful for estimating PCT Start date / ASIH Treatment. Why would TRT patients be concerned about PCT timing?

This is something that is equally relevant to guys cycling AAS and guys suffering from ASIH, as well as TRT patients.

Get it yet?

wait i dont get that, can you link me scally's post where he talks about that?

 

[I_know_nothing]

The difference is one side of this debate is based on the evidence and the other is based on speculation. I know which one is the most logical. Obviously you don't.

Like I said, either post evidence to support your argument or step off. No one on Meso is interested in what you 'think' will happen.

we are literally posting in a thread that is evidence against the 10x rule.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

we are literally posting in a thread that is evidence against the 10x rule.

Fuck off, troll.

 

[weighted chinup]

wait i dont get that, can you link me scally's post where he talks about that?

Here you go -

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/10x-rule.134360639/#post-1161296

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/bloodwork.134357476/#post-1078769

https://thinksteroids.com/community...test-and-blood-levels.134356260/#post-1046365

I won't be holding your hand any further. Do your own research from now on, especially if you are going to call out others who are more educated on this matter than you.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Fuck off, troll.

great counter-argument

4x TT on watson, either the watson is bunk or your 10x rule is bunk. so which is it?

 

[ironwill1951]

i injected at 8 pm , blood draw was 8.30 am .

How many hours from post injection did you get bloods drawn?

 

[I_know_nothing]

Here you go -

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/10x-rule.134360639/#post-1161296

https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/bloodwork.134357476/#post-1078769

https://thinksteroids.com/community...test-and-blood-levels.134356260/#post-1046365

I won't be holding your hand any further. Do your own research from now on, especially if you are going to call out others who are more educated on this matter than you.

ive read those before, thought you were talking about something else. he says multiple times that 10x is on the high side. yet we treat 10x as the standard

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

great counter-argument

4x TT on watson, either the watson is bunk or your 10x rule is bunk. so which is it?

You're an agenda-driven troll who is posting under multiple impostor accounts, that's what.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

i injected at 8 pm , blood draw was 8.30 am .

12.5 hours post injection. Oops, looks like KnowNothing/Cbass are shit out of luck on that one. LMFAO

 

[weighted chinup]

ive read those before, thought you were talking about something else. he says multiple times that 10x is on the high side. yet we treat 10x as the standard

Why would you think I was talking about something else.

You said his estimates were based solely on TRT patients. I told you that you are completely full of shit, as usual, and that the estimates were also used for estimating PCT start date. That's something where accuracy sort of matters....

If the 10x estimate works amicably in a clinical setting to treat ASIH, where timing is very important, then that says something about it's efficacy.

Nice attempt at trying to weasel out of your ridiculous statement you made earlier. Won't work on me dawg.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Why would you think I was talking about something else.

You said his estimates were based solely on TRT patients. I told you that you are completely full of shit, as usual, and that the estimates were also used for estimating PCT start date. That's something where accuracy sort of matters....

If the 10x estimate works amicably in a clinical setting to treat ASIH, where timing is very important, then that says something about it's efficacy.

Nice attempt at trying to weasel out of your ridiculous statement you made earlier. Won't work on me dawg.

actually, someone on your side said 10x rule DOESNT apply to TRT patients, then they got called out by Burrr on that. that's my point, you guys trying to discredit dmt's results because they're TRT dosages, but it didn't work.

so again, is watson bunk or is your 10x rule bunk dawg

 

[dper726]

12.5 hours post injection. Oops, looks like KnowNothing/Cbass are shit out of luck on that one. LMFAO

And then they thought he had something going here... so he decided to log on all his accounts and try to gain some leverage on this one.

 

[weighted chinup]

actually, someone on your side said 10x rule DOESNT apply to TRT patients, then they got called out by Burrr on that. that's my point, you guys trying to discredit dmt's results because they're TRT dosages, but it didn't work.

so again, is watson bunk or is your 10x rule bunk dawg

What does this have to do with you claiming Scally's use of the estimate is limited and relevant ONLY to TRT patients because he is a 'trt doc' ?

You were proven to be completely F.O.S by making such a ridiculous statement, now you are all over the place. I'm leaning more towards your brain being bunk. Dawg.

 

[I_know_nothing]

And then they thought he had something going here... so he decided to log on all his accounts and try to gain some leverage on this one.

i've always been referring to dmt's results. i know you will discredit any new users, but a WKM like dmt? not so much.

 

[I_know_nothing]

What does this have to do with you claiming Scally's use of the estimate is limited and relevant ONLY to TRT patients because he is a 'trt doc' ?

You were proven to be completely F.O.S by making such a ridiculous statement, now you are all over the place. I'm leaning more towards your brain being bunk. Dawg.

my statement was a counterargument to those who say "scally's 10x rule doesn't apply to trt patients" why would they not apply to trt patients if his observations were based off trt clinic results?

your team were the ones to first say scally's results dont pertain to trt doses.

 

[dper726]

Which one sounds more like bro science? Different people with different height, weight, genetics, ect will get different levels on a dose of medication or the idea that everyone should react exactly the same on the same dose? A 6'3 260lb guy vs a 5'6 150lb manelt who just stepped inside the gym on his first cycle who's needle could probably reach through his femur. Use some logic

The average blood volume of an adult is 5L +/- depending on weight. The blood volume regardless does not differ in serum results for testing much for significance. The testosterone serum score is simply how much testosterone is attached in the blood at the time of withdrawn.

 

[I_know_nothing]

The average blood volume of an adult is 5L +/- depending on weight. The blood volume regardless does not differ in serum results for testing much for significance. The testosterone serum score is simply how much testosterone is attached in the blood at the time of withdrawn.

So 500mg in 4L vs 7L, is there going to be a difference?

 

[weighted chinup]

my statement was a counterargument to those who say "scally's 10x rule doesn't apply to trt patients" why would they not apply to trt patients if his observations were based off trt clinic results?

your team were the ones to first say scally's results dont pertain to trt doses.

You're statement was completely incorrect.

You made the claim that these observations were based off trt results. I posted proof showing that these estimates were used to estimate PCT / ASIH treatment start date.

Why would a 'trt clinic' be concerned about ASIH treatment? That sounds like something relevant to guys cycling AAS and running supra-physiological amounts of test.

It's relevant to both TRT patients and guys cycling AAS. It's an effective tool for estimating PCT start date, a treatment where timing is very important.

I think the fact that it has been extremely useful for restoring HPTA function, and the research showing serum test is a linear relationship with dose taken, speaks to the efficacy and relevance of the estimate.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Nobody, including Dr. Scally ever said that 10x was a "hard rule". It is however a guideline that can tell you within reasonable accuracy whether or not your gear is bunk or underdosed. If you read up on the 10x rule, it is really more like 7-10x, depending upon factors like individual physiology, etc., but it is called 10x because that is easiest to remember and is the high end of the range that you should be looking for at supra-physiological doses. It does not apply to TRT level dosages because at lower levels the individual physiology plays a much larger role in blood TT levels. The 10x rule was not ever intended for use with TRT regimens. Any TT score on TRT level doses cannot be considered as support for, or evidence against the 10X rule.

Neither of the above articles gives me any reason to doubt the validity of the rule, either. So what's your point?

 

[dper726]

i've always been referring to dmt's results. i know you will discredit any new users, but a WKM like dmt? not so much.

DMT's results are still skeptical to conclude on the 10x rule. Not that I've ever gone solely from the 10x rule although it is highly possible, I am rather an advocate of 7x-10x.

52 hours from twice a week injections with no AI. Alot of grey area here. Majority of the results pointing peak 10x format are one injection a week with post 24 hours blood analysis. Or something near that.