[Bloodwork] Watson Test Cyp

[Kubrick]

I've tested 10x off of two sources that everyone hates on this board. I have 6 blood tests between the two and all are 10x. One source is gone but the other is still around and isn't going anywhere. I'll let everyone talk shit but I'll keep using it since my bloods don't lie. I don't know if 10x is a hard rule but I get there pretty consistently off of low doses of test(500mg or less per week).

 

[ironwill1951]

so if your levels are 3000 or 6000 is their a big difference in the amount of mass you will gain ?
their has to be a line where a higher reading does not mean extra gains .
i mean just because you get your levels to 20.000 does not mean your body can use that much test..

 

[dmt31]

I've tested 10x off of two sources that everyone hates on this board. I have 6 blood tests between the two and all are 10x. One source is gone but the other is still around and isn't going anywhere. I'll let everyone talk shit but I'll keep using it since my bloods don't lie. I don't know if 10x is a hard rule but I get there pretty consistently off of low doses of test(500mg or less per week).

I'm guessing astro and ms?

 

[Burrr]

Did you post those awesome bloods?

 

[Burrr]

@Kubrick, what were the details? Pin schedule, hours to blood work etc.
How big a boy are ya? How could you have kept these results to yourself? You know we are jonesing for info on the 10x stuff.

 

[jackmeoff1]

You've asked many questions. About a lot of things. I've answered you lots of times and never insulted you once. Maybe I should start?

I try to be civil up to the point that you attack me personally or engage in behavior that is detrimental to the general welfare of my brothers on this board.

What is your purpose in persisting with this?

Just discussion brother. There might be a part if me that has a chip on my shoulder from a previous thread where one of your seasoned members called it a without a shadow of a doubt,written in stone hard "rule". When I simply asked him where he got that info, he flew off the handle and accused me of having some agenda. I wasn't even a dick about it, I just asked for a source to back his comment and apparently that's not allowed.

Sorry if I took any if that frustration out on you personally,

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

Just discussion brother. There might be a part if me that has a chip on my shoulder from a previous thread where one of your seasoned members called it a without a shadow of a doubt,written in stone hard "rule". When I simply asked him where he got that info, he flew off the handle and accused me of having some agenda. I wasn't even a dick about it, I just asked for a source to back his comment and apparently that's not allowed.

Sorry if I took any if that frustration out on you personally,

Hahaha.. I'm not sure what incident you're referring to but I can guarantee it didn't go down like that.. ^^

Hey, remember last year when I knocked your argument right on its ass and you left the forum for months with your tail between your legs? You know, when you just signed up, talking all kinds of shit about Dr. Scally? All this time later, same bullshit.

Now I think this pathetic troll has me on ignore, to bad everyone else can still see my posts!!

 

[I_know_nothing]

Exactly how long after last pin are all these bloods being taken? It does make a difference, you know. Your levels at 24-48 and 72 hours will all be significantly lower at TRT level doses than they will at supra-physiological ones.

Peak levels will always be affected by split dosing protocols. Simple science. Not even worth debating.

I was under the impression from a previous thread that the 10x rule was not strictly applicable to TRT level doses, but it is possible that it is if you are just looking at peak levels 24 hours after last pin... ? Some clarity would be nice.

Oh yeah,

@I_know_nothing
@I_know_nothing
@I_know_nothing

You only need to tag me once to get my attention.

You've asked many questions. About a lot of things. I've answered you lots of times and never insulted you once. Maybe I should start?

I try to be civil up to the point that you attack me personally or engage in behavior that is detrimental to the general welfare of my brothers on this board.

What is your purpose in persisting with this?

i apologize too kinikuman, if i've come off as personally hostile to you. when i have people like jonnhy, cbs, weighted-chin, etc continuously attack me personally, sometimes that frustration comes out. if you're open to data and discussion i mean no personal attack on you.

i do have a few points of clarification then, i agree that split dosing will affect levels. then how come in that quote i linked last time there was a member trying to apply the 10x rule on it? some clarification would be really nice actually because it's starting to feel like "10x rule is accurate and shown to have worked" but then when opposing data or results come up we see..."well 10x rule doesn't apply when AI/HCG is used, when trt doses are used, when taken between x and y hours, etc etc etc"

 

[I_know_nothing]

Hahaha.. I'm not sure what incident you're referring to but I can guarantee it didn't go down like that.. ^^

Hey, remember last year when I knocked your argument right on its ass and you left the forum for months with your tail between your legs? You know, when you just signed up, talking all kinds of shit about Dr. Scally? All this time later, same bullshit.

Now I think this pathetic troll has me on ignore, to bad everyone else can still see my posts!!

where is scally anyway? we've been discussing this 10x thing for a straight month now. why doesn't he come address some of the points?

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

where is scally anyway? we've been discussing this 10x thing for a straight month now. why doesn't he come address some of the points?

Why the fuck would he? In the 2 short years I've been here I've seen him school dozens of you jokers.. Every time some asshole comes in here with an agenda refuting his findings he should get caught up in it? Go read his post history, slick.. It's all been said before.

 

[Burrr]

where is scally anyway? we've been discussing this 10x thing for a straight month now. why doesn't he come address some of the points?

I think he has said what he wanted to say, and now it's just lots of people taking it out of context. I bet Dr S gets a good laugh out of this on a daily basis.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Why the fuck would he? In the 2 short years I've been here I've seen him school dozens of you jokers.. Every time some asshole comes in here with an agenda refuting his findings he should get caught up in it? Go read his post history, slick.. It's all been said before.

tell him to come school me them. ive been itching to discuss with a real doc anyway.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

tell him to come school me them. ive been itching to discuss with a real doc anyway.

Go ask him yourself, fuckboy..

 

[I_know_nothing]

I think he has said what he wanted to say, and now it's just lots of people taking it out of context. I bet Dr S gets a good laugh out of this on a daily basis.

remember when people used to take labmax readings to determine purity? bet it feels kind of foolish now huh, MS tricking everyone with MCT oil, so bright!

 

[I_know_nothing]

Go ask him yourself, fuckboy..

he's be @ before. no response.

i dont need to ask him to defend, you do. im saying no rule exist, you are saying a rule exist. an analogy is like im saying tooth fairy does not exist and you are saying it exist. burden of proof does not lie on me, i do not need to show that the tooth fairy does not exist - that is the null statement, you need to prove that the tooth fairy does exist, that's the alternative statement.

 

[I_know_nothing]

I'm a little behind on this, But who actually uses this rule besides meso? trt clinics? labs? Any other medical practices ?

better repost this so it's not swept under the rug

 

[Burrr]

Yep, labmax, mass spec, and now blood work proving to be pretty vague.
I've come to the conclusion that a person needs their own history of blood work to compare to, and one size does not fit all.

 

[johnnyBALLZ]

he's be @ before. no response.

i dont need to ask him to defend, you do. im saying no rule exist, you are saying a rule exist. an analogy is like im saying tooth fairy does not exist and you are saying it exist. burden of proof does not lie on me, i do not need to show that the tooth fairy does not exist - that is the null statement, you need to prove that the tooth fairy does exist, that's the alternative statement.

I'm sure he's seen your agenda laced posts and doesn't want to play your game. I don't need him to defend shit and I don't have to prove anything to you. You've been shown everything you could possibly need to see and ignored all of it..

Kindly fuck off.

 

[I_know_nothing]

Yep, labmax, mass spec, and now blood work proving to be pretty vague.
I've come to the conclusion that a person needs their own history of blood work to compare to, and one size does not fit all.

agreed. i think dmt's results support this as people were going wild over 3x bloods on AP, then watson came back 4x. one case in which that could just be where he tests at.

also lol @johnnyBALLZ for liking this post:

I think he has said what he wanted to say, and now it's just lots of people taking it out of context. I bet Dr S gets a good laugh out of this on a daily basis.

think he's not understanding your message burrr

 

[I_know_nothing]

I'm sure he's seen your agenda laced posts and doesn't want to play your game. I don't need him to defend shit and I don't have to prove anything to you. You've been shown everything you could possibly need to see and ignored all of it..

Kindly fuck off.

on the contrary, You've been shown everything you could possibly need to see and ignored all of it..