EazyE
Well-known Member
Yes, I agree. T3, Clen and others measured in mcg is more concerning.
MESO-Rx
Anabolic Steroids
Canadian Domestic: Pareto Pharmaceuticals 2017
- Thread starter ParetoPharma
- Start date
Juicemonkeygear
Member
Let's see some blind testing on those products
Basically this. Also it wasn’t a 20% overdose, it was a 25-50% overdose (with a 20% variance between those tabs). Personally I’d prefer to see the products labelled properly for one, simply because I think most of us would like to see the GH15 attitude of running 4gs per week at 190lbs go away. I’d rather be confident the results I attained were from 500mg Test and 40mg Var and I wasn’t just on 750mg and 60mg, respectively. It is your health, after all.
That’s in response to the +50% overdosing. It’s great from a marketing perspective because people think you have high quality products, as your 20mg tablets are way better than X Labs 20mg tablets, therefore X Labs must be underdosed bunk. Wrong, you’re just being tricked into thinking that’s what 20mg of Var should feel like. Meanwhile you’ve been using 30mg the whole time. This becomes a big deal at the 3-4 tabs a day level. Or if you’re a girl who has a coach who says to stop at 10mg a day to prevent too much virilization. Now you can’t assess how much gear is safe for you to use as a woman because you have no idea how much you were actually taking before your periods got messed up or your hair started falling out.
Just IMO this bullshit of “strong ass var” is very dumb. You’re taking 75mg not 50mg. Just call it what it is, mislabelled.
Juicemonkeygear
Member
They have female var I believe. I'm sure that's bang on in terms of dose.
Enough of the bag licking
T&H
Well-known Member
Avoid this source!!!!
Code:
https://www.steroidsourcetalk.org/mybb/Thread-Pareto-Pharmaceuticals--8251?pid=72668#pid72668
You're sure of this because they have released testing?
and...
Because members have released anonymous third party testing?
Unless that's the case, then you cant be sure of anything.
Sure Pareto has a rock star reputation.... but you're only as good as your last job... or in this case, your last batch.
EDIT
@Tiredandhot would you mind summarizing
I'm banned from SST
and it gives my eyes complete cancer
MouthfulOfClouds
New Member
SST has banned Pareto as a verified source because there are a lot of new accounts leaving positive reviews, I'm assuming it's because Pareto just has a lot of new customers and they ask them to leave a review on SST thus the new account. In addition to that SST said the altering of 3rd party lab results and the overdosing by 25% - 50% is unacceptable. Honestly I left a positive review of Pareto on SST and I am concerned about the oral AAS dosing higher than the label and I feel fortunate enough to have just bought SARMs instead of orals.
Thanks, that answers my questions, cheers!
juicy122
Member
do you guys still order from pareto1? Hes been my goto for a while just wondering whats the difference between him and the main one? Pareto1 is really good to me with t/a and quick responses
T&H
Well-known Member
In recent weeks the Moderator team was alerted to an accusation that one of our Canadian "verified sources" was participating in shilling, namely by creating a number of throwaway accounts that would be used to leave positive feedback for the source, thereby falsely inflating its reputation. In order to evaluate the validity of this claim, the moderators exhaustively combed through profiles of accounts that had posted in the accused source’s thread in search of evidence. The moderator team identified accounts of concern as ones that had short online times, low post counts, and were registered to proxies and mobile IPs. In order to ensure that our count was not biased, we completed the same task for each of the other Canadian sources in order to compare numbers and establish ratios of “accounts of concern” to “regular accounts” as well as “accounts of concern” to page views. The results of this task revealed that the accused source did not appear to have a suspicious number of bumps or positive anecdotal reviews when compared to other sources.
However, one Canadian source did. Pareto Pharmaceuticals was found to have a disproportionate number of anecdotal reviews and bumps from newly created accounts, many of which are registered to proxies or mobile IPs for the apparent sole purpose of shilling. No other source on the board has a remotely similar number of reviews from newly created accounts that have not posted outside of the source thread, regardless of page views or known sales volume. A similar discovery was addressed several months ago where the source continuously deleted posts in his “source page” before responding to them with the same post in order to bump the thread to the top of the “source page” section.
Soon after the shilling was discovered, the Moderator team was also alerted to various lab tests that were posted by the Pareto Rep on another well-known board. One of these tests was edited by the Rep in order to falsely report the results. This test, when pulled directly from the Jano website, showed the true results indicated overdosing of an oral compound by 25-50%, with a variance between tablets of more than 20%. Unfortunately, the Rep chose to hide these results rather than address and/or correct the issue. This is especially concerning to the Moderators as the source continues to sell items labelled with microgram specific dosing, but fails to dose oral anabolics within 10mg of accuracy.
In response to the above revelations, the Moderator team has decided to remove Pareto Pharmaceuticals, effectively immediately, based on the following summary reasons:
- Overwhelming evidence of shilling, including using proxy generated accounts to unduly increase the reputation of the source.
- Altering of 3rd party analytical results in order to unduly add to the positive reputation of the source’s products.
- Failure to address the initial 3rd party analytical results which indicated a dosing inaccuracy of 50% (10mg). This level of inaccurate dosing is simply not unacceptable from a public safety perspective.
This decision is not one that has been made lightly, however we encourage all to take this as a learning opportunity at this time. Sources, if discovered to be participating in shilling or practices that are deceptive to the members of our community, will be held accountable and removed accordingly. The Moderators make a concerted effort to prevent subpar sources from reaching our community, and continue to monitor the trustworthiness of these sources long after initial acceptance onto the board, and passed the point of verification
Damn
That's comprehensive
Doesnt help that Jano literally verified that the lab results were doctored earlier in this thread.
Is there no comment from Pareto?
juicy122
Member
well if thats true cant blame pareto for pushing to keep his lab on top with fake accounts lol. its a smart marketing strategy atleast his products are legit and i dont see why they would ban him and so WHAT if his anavar is overdosed imo thats amazing lmao wtf id expect the opposite wud trigger hate not overdose smh.
T&H
Well-known Member
Thread locked and Pareto banned.
MouthfulOfClouds
New Member
Honestly the doctoring of the results is very concerning and if Pareto doesn't address this issue their reputation is going to free fall. I really hope it's just a bad batch and that the people running orals are running UDCA or some other liver support.
T&H
Well-known Member
SMH...
T&H
Well-known Member
Seriously? Pareto1 is coming up in this thread. Did you even read what was posted?
I'm done trying to help some people here, good god.
How is it amazing that some woman could get serious virilization from the pill?
Is it amazing that someone could get massive prolactin buildup by running 50% overdosed Tren and NPP?
Pretty short sighted.... junior member who appeared out of nowhere to defend Pareto...
SMH
Its funny because you literally wrote a half novel to explain what issues there were so that you could keep people informed and point out that this was logical and well thought out.
That this was not a baseless accusation....
Totally ignored lol.
That must have been a kick in the nuts
