Canadian Domestic: Pareto Pharmaceuticals 2017

well if thats true cant blame pareto for pushing to keep his lab on top with fake accounts lol. its a smart marketing strategy atleast his products are legit and i dont see why they would ban him and so WHAT if his anavar is overdosed imo thats amazing lmao wtf id expect the opposite wud trigger hate not overdose smh.

Amazing? Get a grip, rookie.

It shows that they've dropped the ball and can't properly dose their products.

Good for the gym rat that wants to brag about his fire gear. Bad for the guy that gives the Var to his woman or the guy that's substituting his scripted Test for this shit.
 
Seriously? Pareto1 is coming up in this thread. Did you even read what was posted?

I'm done trying to help some people here, good god.

Its funny because you literally wrote a half novel to explain what issues there were so that you could keep people informed and point out that this was logical and well thought out.
That this was not a baseless accusation....

Totally ignored lol.

That must have been a kick in the nuts

I've tested their oils and they came back on par.
I've ran their products for 2-3 years now and have no complaints at all.
I stopped using pharma ai's and my bloods always come back accordingly.

The rep I deal with is solid.
The one that faked the report I don't deal with, but he has good service/communication.
I've never seen an issue prior with pareto so who knows if it just was 1 reps bad decision or what.

Pills can be iffy at times with the mixer, maybe it was a little off. I'm not sure.

I don't go on SST. But I know pareto is still a top notch lab used by many.

So I prefer to just let my experience drive my decisions.
 
I've tested their oils and they came back on par.
I've ran their products for 2-3 years now and have no complaints at all.
I stopped using pharma ai's and my bloods always come back accordingly.

The rep I deal with is solid.
The one that faked the report I don't deal with, but he has good service/communication.
I've never seen an issue prior with pareto so who knows if it just was 1 reps bad decision or what.

Pills can be iffy at times with the mixer, maybe it was a little off. I'm not sure.

I don't go on SST. But I know pareto is still a top notch lab used by many.

So I prefer to just let my experience drive my decisions.


I'll never try and tell you or anyone else what to do bro.

You're happy, keep running it.

I just want to get through the facts and ensure those who are most vulnerable are informed.

My biggest concern would be things dosed in MCG

If they cant nail down Var within 50%....the margins in their T3 could be absolutely fucked.
 
Amazing? Get a grip, rookie.

It shows that they've dropped the ball and can't properly dose their products.

Good for the gym rat that wants to brag about his fire gear. Bad for the guy that gives the Var to his woman or the guy that's substituting his scripted Test for this shit.
I wonder if Pareto has a new brewer in their house? Coupled with a bad decision on the rep’s part to conceal the results of testing....I guess time will tell now that they are under the microscope. Hopefully it was just a bad batch of anavar.
 
I'm going to be waiting for an official statement from Pareto before my next purchase with them. I have a feeling that this thread is going to degenerate into people who support vs those who don't and IMHO, those who can support a product with inconsistencies of 25%-50% overdosing in a MCG scale are too cheap to be running anabolics. I'm happy with the product I've received from them but this does not excuse them from the possible harm they've inflicted on the people running orals. Don't risk your life like a fucking mong on a mislabelled product and want to save a quick buck.
 
I wonder if Pareto has a new brewer in their house? Coupled with a bad decision on the rep’s part to conceal the results of testing....I guess time will tell now that they are under the microscope. Hopefully it was just a bad batch of anavar.

Very possible. Who really knows what goes on behind the scenes?

Something just doesn't sit right with me about this shill stuff.

They've built a pretty solid name for themselves over the years. Why have the shill army start the parade now?

i'm gonna sit back and watch this unfold, but i'm very suspicious about all of this right now.
 
Very possible. Who really knows what goes on behind the scenes?

Something just doesn't sit right with me about this shill stuff.

They've built a pretty solid name for themselves over the years. Why have the shill army start the parade now?

i'm gonna sit back and watch this unfold, but i'm very suspicious about all of this right now.
I just hope this is an anomaly or coincidence. Hate to see an established Canadian UGL compromise their longstanding good reputation. I would think they have a big enough piece of the pie in the Canadian market already...let’s watch this closely.
 
I just hope this is an anomaly or coincidence. Hate to see an established Canadian UGL compromise their longstanding good reputation. I would think they have a big enough piece of the pie in the Canadian market already...let’s watch this closely.

Sure, you have a point in some ways.
Yet we have such a plethora of high quality Canadian UGLs now.. I wouldnt be surprised that they made a big push for more business.

There are also new qaulity ones opening pretty regularly.

A bigger piece of the pie is always nice.

Let's also face it, Pareto fans are die hard.
Took several weeks after the doctored Lab results were revealed, for people to start talking about or.

If Jano literally got on ANY other sources Thread and said flat out "The lab tests were edited"... there would be a pitchfork army descending on them.
 
Enough of the bag licking
I don’t even know what that means but I said that because my guess is they will not put a little extra in products that require mcg dosing or female products for the very reasons a lot of guys here have mentioned but testing report will be welcome. It’s just my assumption because like many have mentioned this lab has been around and they have a loyal following for a reason. I doubt any MEN are complaining about a bit higher free test numbers or a better kick and pumps due to a few orals or injectables being a bit overdosed.
 
"Pareto Pharmaceuticals was found to have a disproportionate number of anecdotal reviews and bumps from newly created accounts, many of which are registered to proxies or mobile IPs for the apparent sole purpose of shilling. No other source on the board has a remotely similar number of reviews from newly created accounts that have not posted outside of the source thread, regardless of page views or known sales volume. A similar discovery was addressed several months ago where the source continuously deleted posts in his “source page” before responding to them with the same post in order to bump the thread to the top of the “source page” section."

How can this even work? Wouldn't a fake account also have to be controlled by the lab to make the initial post and then the lab responded to it, then lab removed both posts and reposted verbatim so nobody figured it out?
What evidence of that same ip addresses?
 
I'm going to be waiting for an official statement from Pareto before my next purchase with them. I have a feeling that this thread is going to degenerate into people who support vs those who don't and IMHO, those who can support a product with inconsistencies of 25%-50% overdosing in a MCG scale are too cheap to be running anabolics. I'm happy with the product I've received from them but this does not excuse them from the possible harm they've inflicted on the people running orals. Don't risk your life like a fucking mong on a mislabelled product and want to save a quick buck.


Hey guys,

Sorry for not being on as much lately, I have been less busy on forums and more on the wheel.

I just saw a flurry of emails regarding
Basically this. Also it wasn’t a 20% overdose, it was a 25-50% overdose (with a 20% variance between those tabs). Personally I’d prefer to see the products labelled properly for one, simply because I think most of us would like to see the GH15 attitude of running 4gs per week at 190lbs go away. I’d rather be confident the results I attained were from 500mg Test and 40mg Var and I wasn’t just on 750mg and 60mg, respectively. It is your health, after all.

That’s in response to the +50% overdosing. It’s great from a marketing perspective because people think you have high quality products, as your 20mg tablets are way better than X Labs 20mg tablets, therefore X Labs must be underdosed bunk. Wrong, you’re just being tricked into thinking that’s what 20mg of Var should feel like. Meanwhile you’ve been using 30mg the whole time. This becomes a big deal at the 3-4 tabs a day level. Or if you’re a girl who has a coach who says to stop at 10mg a day to prevent too much virilization. Now you can’t assess how much gear is safe for you to use as a woman because you have no idea how much you were actually taking before your periods got messed up or your hair started falling out.

Just IMO this bullshit of “strong ass var” is very dumb. You’re taking 75mg not 50mg. Just call it what it is, mislabelled.

Graciebjj

I have been apprised of this situation since last night and am trying to figure everything out from the other forum

It has come to my attention you are also working at SST;
Are you also the mod at SST, Enhanced Grappler? If so could I get your e-mail to discuss further?
 
In recent weeks the Moderator team was alerted to an accusation that one of our Canadian "verified sources" was participating in shilling, namely by creating a number of throwaway accounts that would be used to leave positive feedback for the source, thereby falsely inflating its reputation. In order to evaluate the validity of this claim, the moderators exhaustively combed through profiles of accounts that had posted in the accused source’s thread in search of evidence. The moderator team identified accounts of concern as ones that had short online times, low post counts, and were registered to proxies and mobile IPs. In order to ensure that our count was not biased, we completed the same task for each of the other Canadian sources in order to compare numbers and establish ratios of “accounts of concern” to “regular accounts” as well as “accounts of concern” to page views. The results of this task revealed that the accused source did not appear to have a suspicious number of bumps or positive anecdotal reviews when compared to other sources.

However, one Canadian source did. Pareto Pharmaceuticals was found to have a disproportionate number of anecdotal reviews and bumps from newly created accounts, many of which are registered to proxies or mobile IPs for the apparent sole purpose of shilling. No other source on the board has a remotely similar number of reviews from newly created accounts that have not posted outside of the source thread, regardless of page views or known sales volume. A similar discovery was addressed several months ago where the source continuously deleted posts in his “source page” before responding to them with the same post in order to bump the thread to the top of the “source page” section.

Soon after the shilling was discovered, the Moderator team was also alerted to various lab tests that were posted by the Pareto Rep on another well-known board. One of these tests was edited by the Rep in order to falsely report the results. This test, when pulled directly from the Jano website, showed the true results indicated overdosing of an oral compound by 25-50%, with a variance between tablets of more than 20%. Unfortunately, the Rep chose to hide these results rather than address and/or correct the issue. This is especially concerning to the Moderators as the source continues to sell items labelled with microgram specific dosing, but fails to dose oral anabolics within 10mg of accuracy.

In response to the above revelations, the Moderator team has decided to remove Pareto Pharmaceuticals, effectively immediately, based on the following summary reasons:
  • Overwhelming evidence of shilling, including using proxy generated accounts to unduly increase the reputation of the source.
  • Altering of 3rd party analytical results in order to unduly add to the positive reputation of the source’s products.
  • Failure to address the initial 3rd party analytical results which indicated a dosing inaccuracy of 50% (10mg). This level of inaccurate dosing is simply not unacceptable from a public safety perspective.

This decision is not one that has been made lightly, however we encourage all to take this as a learning opportunity at this time. Sources, if discovered to be participating in shilling or practices that are deceptive to the members of our community, will be held accountable and removed accordingly. The Moderators make a concerted effort to prevent subpar sources from reaching our community, and continue to monitor the trustworthiness of these sources long after initial acceptance onto the board, and passed the point of verification
Never been on SST but clearly they are looking out for their members best interest.

Anyone that orders from Pareto and is aware of this is either a shill or complete moron.
 
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I don’t even know what that means but I said that because my guess is they will not put a little extra in products that require mcg dosing or female products for the very reasons a lot of guys here have mentioned but testing report will be welcome. It’s just my assumption because like many have mentioned this lab has been around and they have a loyal following for a reason. I doubt any MEN are complaining about a bit higher free test numbers or a better kick and pumps due to a few orals or injectables being a bit overdosed.

So if it was on purpose.....
What did they doctor the lab results from Janoshik?
Jano literally confirmed in this thread that his lab results were edited.

Your viewpoint makes zero sense at all.

If they were significantly overdosing gear on purpose... they would be proud of results...not changing them to be lower.

THAT is what we are talking about right now.
 
Wonder if Pareto is still using Genetec for their Cialis? No joke.

What do you mean? We don't source items from other labs. Pareto makes Pareto products. The only items we outsource are HGH, HCG, and pharmaceutical grade items. We have never purchased Cialis from another lab. If a rep carries items from two labs, then that is his prerogative.

I have PM'd some respected members of this thread with a response, and will have a slightly more concise statement later in the day once feedback is given.

If you would like to be 'in the know' before this time, just shoot me a PM. I am here all day today for this.
 
I wonder if Pareto has a new brewer in their house? Coupled with a bad decision on the rep’s part to conceal the results of testing....I guess time will tell now that they are under the microscope. Hopefully it was just a bad batch of anavar.

From what I know there has to be an overdose sometimes. If quality is say 90% pure the lab would make it overdosed by 10% to make up for the loss of percentages. Could have been a small miscalculation or a bad test. It is really a he said/ she said situation and unless everyone has sent there things for testing you shouldn't be jumping on the bandwagon just yet. Sit back, be patient and wait for the proper info to be seen/sent to you.


Wonder if Pareto is still using Genetec for their Cialis? No joke.

And then theres this asshole. You kidding man? If not then clearly that is your true picture in your avatar as you must be a dumb as fuck red-neck shill boy for BT itself.

Pareto has been around for awhile. They have been honest and upfront every time with all issues. There will be a reason for this. And im not too worried about it going forward. This is a small blip and not a big issue like it being contaminated, 50% underdosed, or fake shit altogether. Those who are customers will be contacted and have it explained to. The rest of you dipshits who just come on here to blast labs for amusement will just continue to stay in the dark and shoot blanks like you do with your gfs and wives back home.

But wait, after I post this im sure ill be labeled a shill as well by you newcomers. Even though Ive ran every lab out there and been on meso for years.....
 
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