Canadian Domestic: Pareto Pharmaceuticals 2017

[Qbanfreak90]

I’m sure Pareto is more than capable of procuring their own Cialis

Exactly..

 

[HeavyLifter202]

In recent weeks the Moderator team was alerted to an accusation that one of our Canadian "verified sources" was participating in shilling, namely by creating a number of throwaway accounts that would be used to leave positive feedback for the source, thereby falsely inflating its reputation. In order to evaluate the validity of this claim, the moderators exhaustively combed through profiles of accounts that had posted in the accused source’s thread in search of evidence. The moderator team identified accounts of concern as ones that had short online times, low post counts, and were registered to proxies and mobile IPs. In order to ensure that our count was not biased, we completed the same task for each of the other Canadian sources in order to compare numbers and establish ratios of “accounts of concern” to “regular accounts” as well as “accounts of concern” to page views. The results of this task revealed that the accused source did not appear to have a suspicious number of bumps or positive anecdotal reviews when compared to other sources.

However, one Canadian source did. Pareto Pharmaceuticals was found to have a disproportionate number of anecdotal reviews and bumps from newly created accounts, many of which are registered to proxies or mobile IPs for the apparent sole purpose of shilling. No other source on the board has a remotely similar number of reviews from newly created accounts that have not posted outside of the source thread, regardless of page views or known sales volume. A similar discovery was addressed several months ago where the source continuously deleted posts in his “source page” before responding to them with the same post in order to bump the thread to the top of the “source page” section.

Soon after the shilling was discovered, the Moderator team was also alerted to various lab tests that were posted by the Pareto Rep on another well-known board. One of these tests was edited by the Rep in order to falsely report the results. This test, when pulled directly from the Jano website, showed the true results indicated overdosing of an oral compound by 25-50%, with a variance between tablets of more than 20%. Unfortunately, the Rep chose to hide these results rather than address and/or correct the issue. This is especially concerning to the Moderators as the source continues to sell items labelled with microgram specific dosing, but fails to dose oral anabolics within 10mg of accuracy.

In response to the above revelations, the Moderator team has decided to remove Pareto Pharmaceuticals, effectively immediately, based on the following summary reasons:

• Overwhelming evidence of shilling, including using proxy generated accounts to unduly increase the reputation of the source.
  
• Altering of 3rd party analytical results in order to unduly add to the positive reputation of the source’s products.
  
• Failure to address the initial 3rd party analytical results which indicated a dosing inaccuracy of 50% (10mg). This level of inaccurate dosing is simply not unacceptable from a public safety perspective.

This decision is not one that has been made lightly, however we encourage all to take this as a learning opportunity at this time. Sources, if discovered to be participating in shilling or practices that are deceptive to the members of our community, will be held accountable and removed accordingly. The Moderators make a concerted effort to prevent subpar sources from reaching our community, and continue to monitor the trustworthiness of these sources long after initial acceptance onto the board, and passed the point of verification

did a meso mod really just say that just cuz an IP was mobile that it was determined to be a shill? Mods never speak up around here ever and when they do it’s garbage like this?

hey meso I’m on my phone right now, guess I’m a shill, what a poorly run forum... exactly why I barely ever come on here. Not going to comment on Pareto though... I have no comment on the situation... but that shill accusation is pure bullshit.... hope I don’t get banned cuz I’m on my phone right now lol

 

[Silentlemon1011]

did a meso mod really just say that just cuz an IP was mobile that it was determined to be a shill? Mods never speak up around here ever and when they do it’s garbage like this?

hey meso I’m on my phone right now, guess I’m a shill, what a poorly run forum... exactly why I barely ever come on here. Not going to comment on Pareto though... I have no comment on the situation... but that shill accusation is pure bullshit.... hope I don’t get banned cuz I’m on my phone right now lol

Fuck off

There are no " Meso mods" just Millard Baker.
This is an uncensored board, where the members do the digging and outing of shills and sources
Threads dont get locked
Threads dont get deleted

For example, the idiocy you just spouted is now here forever

You meant SST .. didn't you?

At least get the names right before you start spouting off and hating on this board without even knowing the first thing about it

 

[EazyE]

Fuck off

There are no " Meso mods" just Millard Baker.
This is an uncensored board, where the members of the digging and outing of shills and sources
Threads dont get locked
Threads dont get deleted

For example, the idiocy you just spouted is now here forever

You meant SST .. didn't you?

At least get the names right before you start spouting off and hating on this board without even knowing the first thing about it

Wow, mistaking Meso for Reddit. Now he can put both feet in his mouth. That boy should do some research before spouting off...

 

[LVBB]

did a meso mod really just say that just cuz an IP was mobile that it was determined to be a shill? Mods never speak up around here ever and when they do it’s garbage like this?

hey meso I’m on my phone right now, guess I’m a shill, what a poorly run forum... exactly why I barely ever come on here. Not going to comment on Pareto though... I have no comment on the situation... but that shill accusation is pure bullshit.... hope I don’t get banned cuz I’m on my phone right now lol

I think you meant SST.

Is there any SST mods active on meso? If so, are you a sponsored board or is there no sponsor fees?

 

[T&H]

I think you meant SST.

Is there any SST mods active on meso? If so, are you a sponsored board or is there no sponsor fees?

There are no current ones. @Swole Guacamole was a mod at one time and said no sponsor fees. And no deleting comments like uninformed members here believe.

 

[janoshik]

Fuck off

There are no " Meso mods" just Millard Baker.

And Scally*

 

[LVBB]

There are no current ones. @Swole Guacamole was a mod at one time and said no sponsor fees. And no deleting comments like uninformed members here believe.

I’m talking about now, is there fees now?
Seems strange that such a “fair” place never let source even discuss it with the mods.
They have a scamming source there which was caught here for hardcore shilling and scamming and yet they allow that source to remain.
@ParetoPharma stated his case, but the mods case is very vague. Seems sketchy to me.

 

[Juicemonkeygear]

That's quite a statement released by Pareto and I learned a few things. Kudos to you Pareto for what you just did and owning up to what I think is a miniscule oversight. It's obvious when the competition fears the top dogs they wait for the day they can stir the pot to bring negativity to them which sucks because I think it just lowers them. Friendly competition is one thing but some are just low ball moves like a MOD on SST not even giving you a chance to explain the reason for the reviews. Keep doing your thing Pareto. When your hated on its usually a good thing lol.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

There are no current ones. @Swole Guacamole was a mod at one time and said no sponsor fees. And no deleting comments like uninformed members here believe.

I will have to disagree with this.

Tbagger even got banned for outing a Source for selling Aromasin at .75 mg ... advertised at 12.5.

That's normal?

 

[WeMadeItToAndromeda]

I will have to disagree with this.

Tbagger even got banned for outing a Source for selling Aromasin at .75 mg ... advertised at 12.5.

That's normal?

While I appreciate what TBagger and BBG did (and I personally have no qualms about how they did it,) they got banned because of the way they went about it.

They're pretty quick to shut down any kind of verbal abuse/attacks that go above and beyond what they consider to be distasteful.

They're trying to maintain a "professional" atmosphere, without all of the flaming. If you have a problem with a source, feel free to post it up with evidence backing your claims. They view all of the fuck yous, kill yourselves, etc., as unnecessary and unproductive.

Just the other day someone posted some bad test results from a very reputable and long standing source over there, and nothing was deleted/hidden. No drawn out flaming etc., so all was well. The source answered the claim, issued a recall for all of the products and that was that.

I am not a mod, I've just been over there for quite awhile and that seems to be what they're attempting to maintain and portray as far as an atmosphere goes.

I don't agree with everything that goes on over there but those are their rules.

 

[LVBB]

While I appreciate what TBagger and BBG did (and I personally have no qualms about how they did it,) they got banned because of the way they went about it.

They're pretty quick to shut down any kind of verbal abuse/attacks that go above and beyond what they consider to be distasteful.

They're trying to maintain a "professional" atmosphere, without all of the flaming. If you have a problem with a source, feel free to post it up with evidence backing your claims. They view all of the fuck yous, kill yourselves, etc., as unnecessary and unproductive.

Just the other day someone posted some bad test results from a very reputable and long standing source over there, and nothing was deleted/hidden. No drawn out flaming etc., so all was well. The source answered the claim, issued a recall for all of the products and that was that.

I am not a mod, I've just been over there for quite awhile and that seems to be what they're attempting to maintain and portray as far as an atmosphere goes.

I don't agree with everything that goes on over there but those are their rules.

Interesting so you’re saying they go about things professionally and give sources a chance to answer to claims, but how come they did not with this specific source?

 

[WeMadeItToAndromeda]

Interesting so you’re saying they go about things professionally and give sources a chance to answer to claims, but how come they did not with this specific source?

I'm not sure man, I don't know if they have or haven't. Apparently this is something that happened behind the scenes.

They were told/informed by someone that Pareto was creating/having new accounts shill. Furthermore, they apparently found out via here (Meso) that a lab report had been doctored.

Supposedly they investigated the shilling claims and came to the conclusion that that was indeed happening.

I'm not privy to anything else, that's just what I gathered from the mod announcement. Anything that happened with Pareto being removed and Pareto explaining anything would be between the mods and Pareto because the members had nothing to do with the removal. Hell, I never even saw anything suspicious about Pareto's thread but I never really paid attention either as I'm in the US and don't buy Canadian.

 

[LVBB]

I'm not sure man, I don't know if they have or haven't. Apparently this is something that happened behind the scenes.

They were told/informed by someone that Pareto was creating/having new accounts shill. Furthermore, they apparently found out via here (Meso) that a lab report had been doctored.

Supposedly they investigated the shilling claims and came to the conclusion that that was indeed happening.

I'm not privy to anything else, that's just what I gathered from the mod announcement. Anything that happened with Pareto being removed and Pareto explaining anything would be between the mods and Pareto because the members had nothing to do with the removal. Hell, I never even saw anything suspicious about Pareto's thread but I never really paid attention either as I'm in the US and don't buy Canadian.

It sounds like Pareto never got a chance to give his side of the story. It all just seems fishy. The exact same shilling happened here with another source with proof but the mods there never got rid of that source. If they are as fair and just as they are made out to be, they should come here for dialogue.

 

[Juicemonkeygear]

It sounds like Pareto never got a chance to give his side of the story. It all just seems fishy. The exact same shilling happened here with another source with proof but the mods there never got rid of that source. If they are as fair and just as they are made out to be, they should come here for dialogue.

I agree something doesn't add up here. Getting banned over an accusation and some shady investigation is not right. I knew about the stove top promo and obviously clients will come out the woodworks to post reviews for a chance at free gear lol. Like Pareto said they have thousands of clients. Only a fraction will post a review but how is that schilling. This lab does not need to make fake accounts to market albeit it was a smart marketing strategy.

 

[Juicemonkeygear]

It sounds like Pareto never got a chance to give his side of the story. It all just seems fishy. The exact same shilling happened here with another source with proof but the mods there never got rid of that source. If they are as fair and just as they are made out to be, they should come here for dialogue.

I agree something doesn't add up here. Getting banned over an accusation and some shady investigation is not right. I knew about the stove top promo and obviously clients will come out the woodworks to post reviews for a chance at free gear lol. Like Pareto said they have thousands of clients. Only a fraction will post a review but how is that schilling. This lab does not need to make fake accounts to market albeit it was a smart marketing strategy.

 

[T&H]

I will have to disagree with this.

Tbagger even got banned for outing a Source for selling Aromasin at .75 mg ... advertised at 12.5.

That's normal?

He kinda went about it in the wrong way. I agree that mods should have looked into it, but never did. I'm not defending SST, they SHOULD have. Sparta got what was coming to him. Swole was going to address the asin issue but quit or was demoted or whatever before.

 

[Silentlemon1011]

He kinda went about it in the wrong way. I agree that mods should have looked into it, but never did. I'm not defending SST, they SHOULD have. Sparta got what was coming to him. Swole was going to address the asin issue but quit or was demoted or whatever before.

It went a little beyond that.
There was some significant mouthing off on that thread and trash talking Meso/Tbagger.

If the mods took harm prevention seriously, something would have been done...

Instead of "Naw, those labs are lying... all good bro, trust us... dont trust labs".

I cant get that approach

 

[Munky]

You have dosing recommendations for their Helios?

Sorry I was away lol ya I would start with 2 tabs , depending on how you react to yohimbe , geranium, albuterol, caffeine is 55 mg per pill so 4 is nice

 

[Munky]

Gonna blast some pareto winny suspension soon , let ya know my experience, I really liked pareto test suspension ran some a year ago at 1ml I felt I could run through a brick wall , gotta be fast on the draw lol , I always run test e at 1ml once a week, get a real wicked pump with suspension, test suspension is great if you hit a plateau and want to change your work out routine as well , trick da muscle lol or punish the muscles like Arnold say , test is king peace pareto brothers, anyone run pareto halotestin , I'm interested in your experience in the gym