Do you plan to blast in old age (40+)?

[hungryalways]

The problem is calcium consumption. MK-7 can theoretically prevent calcium from building up in your arteries to an extent, but ultimately your body HAS to reduce calcium levels in the blood. Your heart functions through a calcium osmotic reaction. If calcium is too high, your heart stops working.

The real issue is your body does this primarily by putting calcium in your bones. Once your osteoblast cells are depleted, that's when the trouble starts and by then there isn't much you can do besides dramatically reducing calcium intake. Calcification of arteries begins to intensify in older age because people have osteoporosis due to having no osteoblast cells left.

Unfortunately, despite clear epidemiological studies that correlate heart attacks with calcium consumption (say, Sweden vs Japan), most people think consuming tons of calcium actually is a good thing when it's a significant public health hazard. Then there is the quantity of dairy products in the west, which doesn't help.

Hypercalcemia is not usually related to dietary calcium intake and the research you mentioned is observational and should be taken with a grain of salt.

 

[eryximachus]

Hypercalcemia is not usually related to dietary calcium intake and the research you mentioned is observational and should be taken with a grain of salt.

False. There have been animal experiments as well. I only mention epidemiology because it should be the basis of a hypothesis.

Everything else is biology. Dietary calcium is digested into the blood. Blood levels of calcium cannot rise too high or heart muscles cannot function (see calcium channel blocker medication for the mechanism). Excess calcium is stored in bones, which has a finite lifetime limit due to the finite number of osteoblast cells.

Outside of epidemiology and animal studies, we have a logical argument.

 

[eryximachus]

Do you have any good studies to support that theory? I saw this theory many years ago, but have seen many studies that don't support it. I see many countries where people consume more calcium then in the US but do not have higher cardio issues.

I have had middle of the road calcium blood levels all my life. And i am far from having osteoporosis as my orthros have told me i have bones of granite after doing surgery on me. Yet high calcification of the arteries. Which i see is quite common for people that do intense exercise all their lives. Likely due to inflammation from some research i have seen.

I haven't checked this data in 10 years at least. The WHO used to have data for dairy consumption and heart attacks, so it was easy to see the correlation. What always stood out was Japan, not only because of the nominal dairy consumption but the very high smoking rate.

Osteoporosis (the death of osteoblast cells, which isn't easily measured while you're alive) manifests differently in different people, probably because of supportive muscles and such. You're on here, so, you're not some frail old lady with no leg muscles so not surprised. As well, osteoporosis rates are on the WHO site. 10 years ago, it was endemic in Sweden and Norway, rare in Japan.

So far as calcification of the arteries vs heart attacks - the two aren't necessarily related. Destabilizing the calcium channel osmotic process by elevated blood levels of calcium doesn't necessarily have to involve calcification.

Most likely, people who consume calcium supplements and dairy products consume so much calcium the body just can't draw it out of the blood fast enough, no matter what the age or whether or not osteoblast cells remain.

Obviously, the calcium came from somewhere. Animals in nature don't have this problem, so it clearly is something unique to the human diet.

 

[PermaBlastingTren]

Till it kils me ; )

 

[buck]

I haven't checked this data in 10 years at least. The WHO used to have data for dairy consumption and heart attacks, so it was easy to see the correlation. What always stood out was Japan, not only because of the nominal dairy consumption but the very high smoking rate.

Osteoporosis (the death of osteoblast cells, which isn't easily measured while you're alive) manifests differently in different people, probably because of supportive muscles and such. You're on here, so, you're not some frail old lady with no leg muscles so not surprised. As well, osteoporosis rates are on the WHO site. 10 years ago, it was endemic in Sweden and Norway, rare in Japan.

So far as calcification of the arteries vs heart attacks - the two aren't necessarily related. Destabilizing the calcium channel osmotic process by elevated blood levels of calcium doesn't necessarily have to involve calcification.

Most likely, people who consume calcium supplements and dairy products consume so much calcium the body just can't draw it out of the blood fast enough, no matter what the age or whether or not osteoblast cells remain.

Obviously, the calcium came from somewhere. Animals in nature don't have this problem, so it clearly is something unique to the human diet.

Or it may not be just diet. Calcium may play a part but that could be a very small part. The Japanese don't eat whole grains that are recommended as they eat processed white rice and noodles. Or hit the gym a lot it seems. Plus they eat about 3x more salt then Americans. Personally i think it is far more about lifestyle then just diet. When i look at data. It seems the more overweight a person/population is the lower the quality of health and heart issues. Looking at just one small diet factor does not seems to prove out anything. The vast majority of studies don't seem to support high calcium and calcification. I am an example of that i don't take calcium supplements yet have high calcification. Thinking the most unhealthy and overweight people are the ones supplementing calcium the most just does not correlate in my brain. I tend to think health oriented people take more supplements.

 

[OldGHGuy]

Or it may not be just diet. Calcium may play a part but that could be a very small part. The Japanese don't eat whole grains that are recommended as they eat processed white rice and noodles. Or hit the gym a lot it seems. Plus they eat about 3x more salt then Americans. Personally i think it is far more about lifestyle then just diet. When i look at data. It seems the more overweight a person/population is the lower the quality of health and heart issues. Looking at just one small diet factor does not seems to prove out anything. The vast majority of studies don't seem to support high calcium and calcification. I am an example of that i don't take calcium supplements yet have high calcification. Thinking the most unhealthy and overweight people are the ones supplementing calcium the most just does not correlate in my brain. I tend to think health oriented people take more supplements.

And let's not forget the most important factor of all - genetics.

 

[buck]

And let's not forget the most important factor of all - genetics.

Most data points to genetics accounting for about 25% of longevity. A good life style can greatly extend it and a bad one can cripple it.

. Human longevity: Genetics or Lifestyle? It takes two to tango

Is longevity determined by genetics?: MedlinePlus Genetics

How long a person can live is affected by genetics, the environment, and lifestyle. Not much is known about how genes impact longevity.

medlineplus.gov

 

[OldGHGuy]

"Only" 25% is actually very large (if it's true) when you consider it is a single factor in and of itself. "Lifestyle" and "Environment" have countless single factors that make up their category, with no single factor (such as genetics) making up anywhere close to 25% on the whole.

Of course they all matter. But genetics is extremely important by any measure.

 

[ClownCatcher]

What’s your regimen?

I move mine around depending on how I feel. I just shifted things but I was on 200mg test cyp split up over 4 micro doses (insulin pin), 5mg dissolvable pregnalone, injectable B12 x3/wk, injectable l-carnitine, 500mg metformin evening meal. Peptides: Tesamorelin 2mg/day, AOD 500mcg morning fasted low impact cardio, micro dose of semaglutide. Etc Etc Etc...

 

[88general88]

I turn 44 in a few months, but like like I'm in my early 30's. Not sure if it's from the years of running Humatrope that has kept me looking young but I feel like I am young still too. I just got done running what I feel is a decent cycle Sustanon 500mg, TREN ace 350mg, npp 300mg, I just transitioned where I dropped the NPP, added 50mg of Anavar, and 400mg of MAST E. 5mg of semaglutide. I feel amazing it's Krazy the shit I have learned to do, just from switching diet, a couple compounds. I love this shit. I'm talking about the transformation of the body. It's something I love to accomplish.

I thinking about switching from Sustanon to Test D. One shot a week. To do away with valleys and peaks.

 

[BigDadd7]

I'm in my late 50s. No plans to stop. I'd rather go out in my early 70s with full mobility, as opposed to some decrepit decline of barely moving and having a limp dick until I'm 90.

 

[egruberman]

I wonder how difficult it is for me to discover whether any monkey can do this, or it requires skill to analyze accurately. That would help in determining where to get it done, big mega university center or well respected hospital or local strip mall business popped up to cash in on the calcium score fad among America's aging population.

The only real question you need to ask is the radiation dose. It should be less than 2mSv. There are a few that are a great deal higher than that, but they should be rare.

A calcium score will dictate how aggressively you should manage your lipids. Probably it's worth getting ApoB and Lp(a) tested. I regularly get the Quest CardioIQ Advanced Lipid Panel (92145). Probably your doc can order it and insurance will cover it. Or, I just buy it from Walk-In Lab:

Cardio IQ Advanced Lipid Profile Blood Test | Walk-In Lab

Order a Cardio IQ Advanced Lipid Profile Blood Test for a specialized blood test designed to assess cardiovascular disease risk and monitor treatment.

www.walkinlab.com

All of my bloodwork, I just self-pay through whomever has the cheapest offer for the Quest panel I want. Then I use the Quest portal to track the results.

 

[Millard]

When this type of question arises, a lot of people create a false choice between blast/cruise to maintain high level physical performance versus living as a weak and physically immobile. Or between living to 60 as physically active/strong versus living to 80 as weak/inactive. There is a happy medium where you can find the best of both worlds in terms of physical performance and health/longevity.

 

[malfeasance]

When this type of question arises, a lot of people create a false choice between blast/cruise to maintain high level physical performance versus living as a weak and physically immobile. Or between living to 60 as physically active/strong versus living to 80 as weak/inactive. There is a happy medium where you can find the best of both worlds in terms of physical performance and health/longevity.

A gram of test and a bunch of Cialis?

 

[malfeasance]

LOL, sorry, maybe I should not have posted that . . .

 

[Theworm]

When this type of question arises, a lot of people create a false choice between blast/cruise to maintain high level physical performance versus living as a weak and physically immobile. Or between living to 60 as physically active/strong versus living to 80 as weak/inactive. There is a happy medium where you can find the best of both worlds in terms of physical performance and health/longevity.

Lik what? Like trt and get TT to 1100-1200? That’s what I’m thinking and not blasting anymore…

 

[TUTfan]

I'm not claiming it's healthy or smart.

I just turned 40 and being on gear simply makes me feel great and adds too much to my life. I've come to the conclusion that'll run between TRT and 1g of gear as long as I can.

> "Bro, you're just a drug addict."
Probably! Honestly I don't care. Honestly I'm proud of it at this age.

>"What about your health?"
My health markers are great. Not claiming that will last forever. Things might go to shit in a few years.

> Healthy gear choices
For me just test/primo/mast/gh. But I guess the dose makes the poison.

Anyone else feel the same?

What do you consider a blast?

On TRT at 150mg a week and going to 400mg a week, is that a blast?

 

[BigDadd7]

What do you consider a blast?

On TRT at 150mg a week and going to 400mg a week, is that a blast?

400 is a blast

 

[TUTfan]

400 is a blast

Ok, I blast for 10 weeks twice a year.

 

[DECLAN]

Ok, I blast for 10 weeks twice a year.

You need to win top 5 regionals before you can blast 400mg bro, maybe 238mg per week only if you place 6th.