For all those that are serving and have served

[TRT]

The thing is... when was I voted off the island? Before or after I mentioned this inner circle? I'm sure you were cool with me last week. Even 3 days ago. Until I mentioned something for you to get all bent out of shape.
I was never cool with TRT. He seemed like a cunt. Then he comes on here and proves he's worse than a cunt.
I'm sure most of you guys were cool with me until I got on this "slippery slope" as most of you have said. Why is that? You guys don't see it as supporting a friend. You see it is shilling a rep. Are other labs really that much of a threat to your flying dragon circle jerk?

How is someone not cool with a member they've never had a negitive encounter encounter with? Maybe you think that cause you've never tried to have a decent conversation with me.

Why is that?
You came into a thread that was created out of respect for 5th group and you shit all over it with your wild witch hunt BS. You're not a vet. And you never answered my question about you being law enforcement. It's ok. You've avoided the question long enough for me to know the answer.

I'm not really worked up. I'm pretty calm. I just think it is stupid the hypocrisy that floats around members like @gr8whitetrukker and @jaymaximus

Running labs out of meso when they've been running business into flying dragons doorway. Trukk hasn't been caught, yet, but his support for jay is becoming more and more suspicious.

I'm not saying you are part of that. I don't think you are. I think you're just following the leader and reaming out sources because that's what you've seen others do on meso. The ones that have been here for 3.5 years, as trukk so proudly says. It's not directly your fault. Human nature. Monkey see monkey do. You are new to the board so you look up to the actions of the longer active members to see what's right and wrong. I did it too when I first joined. I spewed all their BS and their cookie cutter answers to advice.

Watch, 3 months from now I bet everyone is going to be spewing whatever @ChestRockwell writes up in his articles. Until he does something to piss off trukk or Eman or mands and gets the boot. It's nothing personal against you Chest (if you're even reading all this crap ) but it's just how meso is. It's a cesspool of juiced out old guys who force everyone into their close minded ideals or boot them out.

Lean I NEVER shit on anyone you fucking liar!
And no I'm not a cop. Remember what it was before? Ass and coke remember? Why aren't you accusing me of being a coke head?

 

[Leancuisine]

Like the one you brought mine and @ChestRockwell name into??? Pretty much worthless and uninformative.

You never responded to my post @Leancuisine. I posted I don't take money from any meso member for testing and I posted Chest's article you are so worried about.

Why are you bringing my name into this mess. I have never spoken ill will about any Military Vet and I certainly didn't chastise @franchise24 for posting this thread. You brought me into this. Not sure what's going on in your mind but you are having some major issues right now.

mands

You've never once spoken ill of any vet that I've seen. You showed me Chest's article. Thank you. I'm not pointing the blame at you for either of these. I don't know where you are getting that. I've mentioned you in about 3 comments maybe.

Apparently no one is understanding, or purposely ignoring, that there is a small group of people who have been here a while that DO run the show. You guys choose who stays, who leaves, who's name gets tarnished, and those who get free passes. I mentioned 2 members that were reps before, and that was never brought up again. Because someone along the lines gave them a free pass, and those members are still here. Probably because they knew guys like you, or trukk, who have the ear of the community.

If I'm wrong alright. I still believe what I have been saying. I look at things and it all seems so odd concerning a small group of people. On a board where people are juiced out and talking shit to everyone, how do people stay here for 3.5 years and on? Trukk can be a fuckin emotional SOB online. How has he stayed around? Because he has the sway to "vote people off the island". He chooses who stays and who goes.

If I'm so wrong, and all of you are so tired of going back and forth with me. Then do it. Vote me off the island! Or do you not actually have that power? Hmmmm.

@mands not all of this is directed at you. Most of it is towards @gr8whitetrukker

I'm really just waiting for someone to fuckin kick me off already. Until then I'll keep calling @jaymaximus and @gr8whitetrukker out on their bullshit.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

The only inner circle I have here is a group of friends that I earned being a decent person. We never even talk about sources... We talk about hobbies, lifting and personal lives. That sound like some kind of malicious meso inner circle to you?

Did we conspire over a plate of ribs and chicken wings in that obscure bbq joint? Do we ever talk about what our next move will be as an imaginary super clandestine operation deep undercover in MESOs underground? That we plot and calculate every single move to cover our tracks and maintain our integrity as MESOs leading inner circle jerk club?

No, were just dudes that know each other in person as i have done with other MESO members. Its how REAL works. And i can count on one hand the times any conversation was gear related.

 

[franchise24]

The source being referred to in this thread does not float around here. He does not post here and wishes to avoid this forum. The only reason his name is known here is bc people that do have access to him happen to be members here. He doesn't PM ppl here nor are any sales made on this forum's PM system.

I understand where you're coming from but his name in this thread is not relevant in any way.

Now I'm just confused. I know of the source being referred to. Have used him before. And to my knowledge his client base is super small. To my understanding he's a very intelligent guy and doesn't need a big operation because he doesn't need the money. He has a great paying job.

I dont know how else to make it more clear to you. Ive said as much as Eman has said at least 3x now.
Theres is absolutely nothing that can be extrapolated from that pm than what is already there. As Eman has ALSO said at least 3x now.
That is clear to everyone not named franchise24 & leancuisine

What has become clear to me is that there is plenty to be extrapolated. And knowing that being being referred to only operates with a small customer base. It makes no sense for him to have a rep.

So my conclusion is that Pumping iron wasn't a rep for the private source. Jay still stands by said source.

And so that you know. I have used said source a few times.

Small world truck small world.

But good deflection. I'm out of this thread. I don't want to continue to bring unwanted attention a private person.

 

[Docd187123]

In all fairness though, I think the member(s) involved in flying dragon need to come forward so that they can be identified as a source and/or reps. They can still be just as selective and only sell to those that they want to but they should be identified.
Especially since so many other members including the OP were given that label.

You're only info comes from this thread, which is full of a lot of bullshit, so I can understand why you don't have the full picture. There is nobody involved with that source here. Ppl who don't know what's going on are making wild accusations.

None of this has to do with franchise.

There's lots of everything out in the world. The point is, there's a group in meso that gets access to private labs when "you've stuck around long enough."
I get it. I understand that private labs should only be given out to trusted members, BUT how does a lab stay in business? Money. How do they get money? Customers. How do they get customers? It's pretty clear that @jaymaximus is one resource for attaining customers.

The thing is... when was I voted off the island? Before or after I mentioned this inner circle? I'm sure you were cool with me last week. Even 3 days ago. Until I mentioned something for you to get all bent out of shape.
I was never cool with TRT. He seemed like a cunt. Then he comes on here and proves he's worse than a cunt.
I'm sure most of you guys were cool with me until I got on this "slippery slope" as most of you have said. Why is that? You guys don't see it as supporting a friend. You see it is shilling a rep. Are other labs really that much of a threat to your flying dragon circle jerk?

You have no idea what's going on. The source is not selling on this board. The source doesn't PM ppl here. The source has no reps here or elsewhere. Please, you don't know what you're talking about and making wild accusations bc you don't understand the situation.

 

[Eman]

Did we conspire over a plate of ribs and chicken wings in that obscure bbq joint?

I honestly don't know anymore...

You asked me to pass you the salt at one point, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU REALLY MEAN BY THAT, TRUKK??

 

[franchise24]

One last thing.

@gr8whitetrukker, @TRT, @Eman, @Wunderpus, @GigaloRob.

I was given the ok to continue my log by millard as long it doesn't turn into an advertisement.

Have a great day.

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

I honestly don't know anymore...

You asked me to pass you the salt at one point, WHAT THE FUCK DID YOU REALLY MEAN BY THAT, TRUKK??

This is reminding me of the old CDNGUY. This entire back n forth.
Just insanity completely one sided insanity

 

[Docd187123]

Now I'm just confused. I know of the source being referred to. Have used him before. And to my knowledge his client base is super small. To my understanding he's a very intelligent guy and doesn't need a big operation because he doesn't need the money. He has a great paying job.

You're correct. This source is relatively small and does NOT do reps, ads, shills, or promote himself like you see other sources do.

Jay is not a rep for this source. PI wasn't a rep either. There are no reps at all lol

 

[Eman]

This is reminding me of the old CDNGUY. This entire back n forth.
Just insanity completely one sided insanity

I've been putting hidden subliminal messages in my posts to make people lose there shit.

Doc actually loves cheese... He just thinks he hates it.

 

[Leancuisine]

How is someone not cool with a member they've never had a negitive encounter encounter with? Maybe you think that cause you've never tried to have a decent conversation with me. Lean I NEVER shit on anyone you fucking liar!
And no I'm not a cop. Remember what it was before? Ass and coke remember? Why aren't you accusing me of being a coke head?

Because I'm using drugs too. I take test. I have a script for it, but that's a fucking nightmare to handle, so I get my own. I don't have anything against Coke heads. I've used it, maybe only 10 or so times. Never been addicted. I don't hold addiction against you. I've never been addicted, but I've gone through withdrawals for shit given to me by doctors. So maybe that means I've been addicted? I don't fuckin know.

Bottom line, if you've been going through issues with drugs, man you've got enough issues to deal with and I'm not going to add to that by cutting down your character, because in my opinion, drugs don't cut down on your character. Who even dictates if that's legal or not? Some fuckin dick head who wants to make money off of things, because war makes money. A war on drugs is much more lucrative than cocaine sales would be.


That's aside the point though. You don't know me either, but clearly you have opinions of me based off my replies. A lot of people on here don't know me, because my conversations have been extended out to different members, none of who have commented on this thread. Aside from icky. He's cool shit. But do I blame people for not jumping in her to my aid? Fuck no. I don't blame anyone for not getting involved in this self righteous pissing contest.
It's not like me to just sit back and watch people attack a good man though. And before any of you cocksuckers tell me franchise sold his soul to the devil for a few vials, as you all like to say, do you know him? No you fuckin don't. I'm sure there's lots of things you guys have done that I would look down upon, and even each other would look down upon.

Do I fucking care that jay was soliciting FD? (And he was. The way he states "he will be in contact with you shortly" is suspicious as fuck. How do of not see that?? How does he know that??) Fuck no. I don't care. I don't care if Jay makes his money by letting rich men snort lines of Coke off his dick. Who am I to say if that's right or wrong? That was NEVER my argument. My argument has been, and always will be (until I'm finally voted off the island) that if you, mainly @gr8whitetrukker , are going to jump down one reps throat for posting out of his thread, then do it to ALL reps. Don't pick and choose which shills are cool and which ones get the boot.

"Stay inside your thread, rep!!" Is an all too common statement I find. As Ryno said, we all rep something. If I have a fuckin business and someone is asking about a service or product I can provide, you're goddamn right I'm going to pitch myself to that member. Because if I am selling a product or service, then I believe in that, and I know it's beneficial. So I have no issues selling my product to a member. That's what reps do. And as a matter of fact, Franchise has sent items to members for FREE. Not steroids or anything illegal, but useful items like lifting shoes and other EQUIPMENT. He's a power lifter. He'll help anyone who is the same, and then some. As long as you're a decent person, he will help you any way he can. That's the side of Franchise none of you gentlemen know. Because he doesn't go around saying "look at me, I gave out all this free shit".

And unfortunately, his humility is causing all you slackjaws to rain down on him with your self righteous commandments of meso.


By the way, where's the rule that says sources can't post outside of their threads? Oh it's not a rule? Just something one of you made up? Just like everything else you spew. That's what I thought. Just checking.

Also @TRT really only the first part of this comment, regarding the Coke was about you.
To be honest, I didn't even know you struggled with it. If it is a struggle, I hope you're getting help and support of getting off. If it's just recreational use, I can't say I support it, but I've been there. I don't hold that against you at all. For whatever it's worth.

 

[Witchdoctor]

Flying Dragon doesnt have Reps, never has never will
If anyone buys product from a source and then resells those products that does not make them a Rep. People are free to trade, resell anything after purchase
I have seen people go on other forums pretending to "rep" for a source when in reality all they are doing is buying and reselling product while the lab has no idea what is going on. If you buy a gallon of milk from Walmart and resell it for a higher price to your neighbor are you now a rep for Walmart? Absolutely not.....

A Rep has the blessings of the lab they represent, but it appears the term "rep" is used loosely and in many ways incorrectly.....Too many on here are quick to assume without any facts. We all hide behind a keyboard, anyone can say anything, doesnt mean its the truth.....

 

[gr8whitetrukker]

Trukk can be a fuckin emotional SOB online.

Chalk that up to sleep deprivation. Im constantly burning the candle at both ends. I use this place for mental stimulation and motivation. Its a good outlet. I know what my purpose is in life and i got a thousand yard stare on it till i reach it. Its more clear than its ever been. VISION. And each and everyday i pull in air in to my lungs im coming closer to that goal. An aspiring entrepreneur, father, husband and of course my personal goals in the weight room. Which is not the least of by any means. But someday im going to live the way life was intended. Ill have the luxuries and time to become a more compassionate and understanding individual. That time isnt now. So your going to have to deal with my ass. Grumpy, tired and motivated with caffeine to do what successful people do. Jus tip your hat when i pass u on bye. Some day you may be sitting in my interview chair asking for work

 

[Leancuisine]

I've been putting hidden subliminal messages in my posts to make people lose there shit.

Doc actually loves cheese... He just thinks he hates it.

I fuckin new it. So all my messages I send him of exotic cheeses probably went to the spank bank. (Again I would tag doc. I love the guy. But I don't want to drag him in here either) unless we can just freaking drop this and move on. We agree to disagree. Honestly Eman I don't have anything against you. Yo are very explicit in your views, and I respect that. Happy fornit actually, too many people are in the fence and try to play it safe by keeping themselves in the green with both, or all parties involved. Again, I don't blame them, it's just not something I do. Everyone has their reasons, just like trukk has his reasons for defending jay, as suspicious as they seem.
I have my reasons for my actions as well, as suspicious as they may seem to any of you.

I have been 100% honest, upfront, and transparent with ALL of you. I don't have anything to hide. Nothing to gain. Most, if not all, of you are great people. I assume meso is a small sliver of your life, and your actions/reactions on an Internet forum aren't a reflection of who you are in person. It's a wild habitat here. Dudes on a bunch of test all in one area. Obviously there's going to be some bs around.

 

[Wunderpus]

I never violated any of those. I am not using my military service to to earn respect. Maybe you didn't read the OP. It was a thread to watch a documentary on 5th group. I don't need respect from people on the internet bro. I earned that already in my life in many ways.

And listing all the army values. Kudos to you. We both served on the same team. I guarantee you would have been more than comfortable to have me watching your 6. END OF STORY!!!

Those that know me personally here can attest to that. Gear whore. Well I was a gear wore before being rep. And I bought all my gear. So I guess I'll always be a gear whore.

One last thing.

@gr8whitetrukker, @TRT, @Eman, @Wunderpus, @GigaloRob.

I was given the ok to continue my log by millard as long it doesn't turn into an advertisement.

Have a great day.

Your thread IS an advertisement.... You've lost your fucking mind if you don't see that... Clearly you have zero knowledge of the way a "sponsored" athlete works. So, I'll tell you....

- Bathtub brewer (BB for short) sends you products, presumably for free.

- You start a log to document your *guaranteed* success with this "master coach"

-You tell the audience you are using BB's gear (whether directly, or indirectly in that "log")

- People think a large portion of this alleged success is from the gear you are taking, it's only natural as people here tend to put too much faith in AAS and their results.

- Sales of BB's products magically increase

- You get paid, I'm assuming as a commission-based "employee"



So again, so we're all clear here... You genuinely do not believe you are advertising this lab in your log? Even considering the fact you are, for lack of a better term, an employee to BB? Yikes....

 

[Eman]

Honestly Eman I don't have anything against you.

You were just dragging me through the mud a few minutes ago...

And he was. The way he states "he will be in contact with you shortly" is suspicious as fuck.

I don't see how... The idea behind that statement was that if you stick around and contribute, you'll probably be offered a referral or given a referral by a friend. Something that people much everyone preaches on here, isn't it? That's why integrity means a lot on here... There is no inner circle aside from the people that are recognized as honest and trustworthy and those that are not.

 

[Leancuisine]

Chalk that up to sleep deprivation. Im constantly burning the candle at both ends. I use this place for mental stimulation and motivation. Its a good outlet. I know what my purpose is in life and i got a thousand yard stare on it till i reach it. Its more clear than its ever been. VISION. And each and everyday i pull in air in to my lungs im coming closer to that goal. An aspiring entrepreneur, father, husband and of course my personal goals in the weight room. Which is not the least of by any means. But someday im going to live the way life was intended. Ill have the luxuries and time to become a more compassionate and understanding individual. That time isnt now. So your going to have to deal with my ass. Grumpy, tired and motivated with caffeine to do what successful people do. Jus tip your hat when i pass u on bye. Some day you may be sitting in my interview chair asking for work

I like your views. I actually really like the things you just said. Fuckin motivational. And badass.

Lots of shit has been said in the past few pages. I still have my suspicions. I do think that there is something going behind the scenes. I will admit, I can be wrong about who is in it. Probably am. You happened to be the guy who commented on jays PM. I don't want to say the word defended as it seems over the top, and my vocabulary isn't extensive enough to find the right word to describe it.

So I'm going to leave it at that. Fires burning out. My morning has been started and this has been hindering my activities.

At the end of the day we all have you he same goals. To get juiced out and smash some weights. Whether you're a bodybuilder, athlete, powerlifter, strongman, a fuckin cross fitter, and all the things in between, we all are trying to take our shit to the next level. May not be the main focus right now in someone's life, but it is a fuckin goal. We can all agree on that.

I'm not cdnguy, as crazy and similar as we may seem. I think my decent grammar and "voice", per se, are noticeably distinguishable between he and I.

I'm done with it man. It's been said. All of its been said. And you said it. Back and forth. We're both too fuckin stubborn to view things differently. I've made my decision. You've made yours. Good luck with your goals.

 

[mands]

@Leancuisine there no a rule they can't post outside their thread.

There is a rule they cannot make multiple handles to solicit or make multiple threads for soliciting.

mands

 

[Wunderpus]

At the end of the day we all have you he same goals.

Dude, I feel where your heart and head are at with this... But it's just not true. A lot of "us" are here to make money, and some even to scam our fellow members. If everyone here truly did have the same "goals", this would be a far better place. You of all people should be able to identify there are predators, prey and sheep dogs in this community.... Franchise is the lowest of the predators, pretending to be prey... Waiting, lurking, lying.... All just for a few bucks from his former associates.

LC you and I have always had good interactions and I like you a lot, but pull away the blinders and even for a moment see this as what it is. You're emotionally invested in it due to your commonalities in service and the fact you have a much more personal relationship with Franchise. Look at it objectively, from my perspective if you'd prefer (or any other members'), and see how this sort of behavior can spiral into disaster, quickly.

 

[Leancuisine]

Your thread IS an advertisement.... You've lost your fucking mind if you don't see that... Clearly you have zero knowledge of the way a "sponsored" athlete works. So, I'll tell you....

- Bathtub brewer (BB for short) sends you products, presumably for free.

- You start a log to document your *guaranteed* success with this "master coach"

-You tell the audience you are using BB's gear (whether directly, or indirectly in that "log")

- People think a large portion of this alleged success is from the gear you are taking, it's only natural as people here tend to put too much faith in AAS and their results.

- Sales of BB's products magically increase

- You get paid, I'm assuming as a commission-based "employee"



So again, so we're all clear here... You genuinely do not believe you are advertising this lab in your log? Even considering the fact you are, for lack of a better term, an employee to BB? Yikes....

Come on man. That's a stretch. I know steroids are given far too much expectation of picking up people's slack. That's why people get disappointed with their first cycle expectations and so many people post threads along the lines of "what else should I take?"

I don't view it as an advertisement. Isn't your thread an advertisement for Chest's services? Yes we've discussed this, and the difference between receiving a bad coach and bad gear is significant.

I use panda's gear, and when I cycle, I get stellar results. Because I train hard and eat decently. Is my stuff an advertisement for panda? I buy all my stuff from Wally World. When I post picks of home cooked meals am I advertising for them?
Maybe I get a cut of Walmart sales. Maybe you get a cut or chest's? Or discounts?

**you told me you do not** so I take your word for it. But really man. If you want to go that route, anyone can look at any thread and question its true motives.