For all those that are serving and have served

[franchise24]

Your thread IS an advertisement.... You've lost your fucking mind if you don't see that... Clearly you have zero knowledge of the way a "sponsored" athlete works. So, I'll tell you....

- Bathtub brewer (BB for short) sends you products, presumably for free.

- You start a log to document your *guaranteed* success with this "master coach"

-You tell the audience you are using BB's gear (whether directly, or indirectly in that "log")

- People think a large portion of this alleged success is from the gear you are taking, it's only natural as people here tend to put too much faith in AAS and their results.

- Sales of BB's products magically increase

- You get paid, I'm assuming as a commission-based "employee"



So again, so we're all clear here... You genuinely do not believe you are advertising this lab in your log? Even considering the fact you are, for lack of a better term, an employee to BB? Yikes....

No I know I'm not advertising in my log. Questioned answered in the simplest of forms. Hope you can comprehend that.

Dude, I feel where your heart and head are at with this... But it's just not true. A lot of "us" are here to make money, and some even to scam our fellow members. If everyone here truly did have the same "goals", this would be a far better place. You of all people should be able to identify there are predators, prey and sheep dogs in this community.... Franchise is the lowest of the predators, pretending to be prey... Waiting, lurking, lying.... All just for a few bucks from his former associates.

LC you and I have always had good interactions and I like you a lot, but pull away the blinders and even for a moment see this as what it is. You're emotionally invested in it due to your commonalities in service and the fact you have a much more personal relationship with Franchise. Look at it objectively, from my perspective if you'd prefer (or any other members'), and see how this sort of behavior can spiral into disaster, quickly.

What I have highlighted is purely an opinion of yours and your way of thinking. I can say the same about you. Your log is an advertisement for chest which on the surface is good to go. He's just a coach. But many coaches in the bodybuilding world, not only lay out cycles for their clients they either tell their clients where to get them from or the coach has cycles on hand.

 

[Leancuisine]

Dude, I feel where your heart and head are at with this... But it's just not true. A lot of "us" are here to make money, and some even to scam our fellow members. If everyone here truly did have the same "goals", this would be a far better place. You of all people should be able to identify there are predators, prey and sheep dogs in this community.... Franchise is the lowest of the predators, pretending to be prey... Waiting, lurking, lying.... All just for a few bucks from his former associates.

LC you and I have always had good interactions and I like you a lot, but pull away the blinders and even for a moment see this as what it is. You're emotionally invested in it due to your commonalities in service and the fact you have a much more personal relationship with Franchise. Look at it objectively, from my perspective if you'd prefer (or any other members'), and see how this sort of behavior can spiral into disaster, quickly.

Yes. I 100% understand where you are coming from. I truly do not see Franchise as a predator. He has good intentions. He believes in a lab, he uses their gear, and he wants to allow others the same opportunity. I understand his actions as well.

This is something I'm in the middle of, because I understand your statements, but I understand Franchise as well. This all started out with my statement in the original IA thread of "we should give sources a chance" I never understood why sources in the underground were greeted with such hostility. I understand people have been burned and obviously dealing with, even though they are called "labs" they are DRUG DEALERS, is never a safe endeavor. But no matter how the thread is opened up, it always ends up the same. Someone buys from them. Someone has to take the plunge, whether it be out of curiosity or for genuine concern for the community. The results of the first purchases and tests are what opens the door for others to make purchases once the all clear has been given.

At least this is my understanding of how it's worked.

Regarding my statement of "we all have the same goal". Yeah I blanketed that statement.
It's hard to think someone sells steroids without taking them. But, as shitty as the comparison is, people sell heroin and don't do it. Maybe the people that make heroin make steroids too

Idk man I'm getting burnt out.

 

[Wunderpus]

Come on man. That's a stretch. I know steroids are given far too much expectation of picking up people's slack. That's why people get disappointed with their first cycle expectations and so many people post threads along the lines of "what else should I take?"

I don't view it as an advertisement. Isn't your thread an advertisement for Chest's services? Yes we've discussed this, and the difference between receiving a bad coach and bad gear is significant. Then WHY mention it? I also reviewed John Meadows' services, 5% nutrition's pre workout and sleep supplement and I'm sure other products over the years. But, guess what?! They're all LEGAL and LOW RISK compared to AAS sales.

I use panda's gear, and when I cycle, I get stellar results. Because I train hard and eat decently. Is my stuff an advertisement for panda? I buy all my stuff from Wally World. When I post picks of home cooked meals am I advertising for them?
Maybe I get a cut of Walmart sales. Maybe you get a cut or chest's? Or discounts? You're also, presumably, not getting paid by Panda, Franchise is. I don't understand where the confusion is....

**you told me you do not** so I take your word for it. But really man. If you want to go that route, anyone can look at any thread and question its true motives. Meaning what? That I got compensated by Chest somehow? Well, I guess you could try and make that argument. However in my X amount of years actively posting here, I've never created a fake handle or lied to our members for profit...

Please, keep comparing a legal service with zero potential risk to the consumer, to illegal injectable drugs sales... I am still struggling to see their similarities.

 

[Wunderpus]

No I know I'm not advertising in my log. Questioned answered in the simplest of forms. Hope you can comprehend that.

What I have highlighted is purely an opinion of yours and your way of thinking. I can say the same about you. Your log is an advertisement for chest which on the surface is good to go. He's just a coach. But many coaches in the bodybuilding world, not only lay out cycles for their clients they either tell their clients where to get them from or the coach has cycles on hand.

Well, I've been transparent from day 1, you have not... So, already a little chink in the armor there, pal. It's no shocker that the rep, the whore, lying shill cunt cannot see the flaws in his own actions... Right? God, I would've expected you to completely understand my perspective, and disregard your own money hungry ideas.... I'm so foolish!

You're right, Franchise. You seem like a great guy, and all. Making fake handles and only discussing it when you are caught. Failing to respect the long standing guidelines we've established in our community... Failing to even truly see anyone else's perspective on the matter. You had to have known you were going to face such resistance, and that's why you made the fake handle. This will never end, until you either leave or create a new handle.

 

[TRT]

One last thing.

@gr8whitetrukker, @TRT, @Eman, @Wunderpus, @GigaloRob.

I was given the ok to continue my log by millard as long it doesn't turn into an advertisement.

Have a great day.

That's fine. I never said you couldn't. I was all for it remember?

Because I'm using drugs too. I take test. I have a script for it, but that's a fucking nightmare to handle, so I get my own. I don't have anything against Coke heads. I've used it, maybe only 10 or so times. Never been addicted. I don't hold addiction against you. I've never been addicted, but I've gone through withdrawals for shit given to me by doctors. So maybe that means I've been addicted? I don't fuckin know.

Bottom line, if you've been going through issues with drugs, man you've got enough issues to deal with and I'm not going to add to that by cutting down your character, because in my opinion, drugs don't cut down on your character. Who even dictates if that's legal or not? Some fuckin dick head who wants to make money off of things, because war makes money. A war on drugs is much more lucrative than cocaine sales would be.


That's aside the point though. You don't know me either, but clearly you have opinions of me based off my replies. A lot of people on here don't know me, because my conversations have been extended out to different members, none of who have commented on this thread. Aside from icky. He's cool shit. But do I blame people for not jumping in her to my aid? Fuck no. I don't blame anyone for not getting involved in this self righteous pissing contest.
It's not like me to just sit back and watch people attack a good man though. And before any of you cocksuckers tell me franchise sold his soul to the devil for a few vials, as you all like to say, do you know him? No you fuckin don't. I'm sure there's lots of things you guys have done that I would look down upon, and even each other would look down upon.

Do I fucking care that jay was soliciting FD? (And he was. The way he states "he will be in contact with you shortly" is suspicious as fuck. How do of not see that?? How does he know that??) Fuck no. I don't care. I don't care if Jay makes his money by letting rich men snort lines of Coke off his dick. Who am I to say if that's right or wrong? That was NEVER my argument. My argument has been, and always will be (until I'm finally voted off the island) that if you, mainly @gr8whitetrukker , are going to jump down one reps throat for posting out of his thread, then do it to ALL reps. Don't pick and choose which shills are cool and which ones get the boot.

"Stay inside your thread, rep!!" Is an all too common statement I find. As Ryno said, we all rep something. If I have a fuckin business and someone is asking about a service or product I can provide, you're goddamn right I'm going to pitch myself to that member. Because if I am selling a product or service, then I believe in that, and I know it's beneficial. So I have no issues selling my product to a member. That's what reps do. And as a matter of fact, Franchise has sent items to members for FREE. Not steroids or anything illegal, but useful items like lifting shoes and other EQUIPMENT. He's a power lifter. He'll help anyone who is the same, and then some. As long as you're a decent person, he will help you any way he can. That's the side of Franchise none of you gentlemen know. Because he doesn't go around saying "look at me, I gave out all this free shit".

And unfortunately, his humility is causing all you slackjaws to rain down on him with your self righteous commandments of meso.


By the way, where's the rule that says sources can't post outside of their threads? Oh it's not a rule? Just something one of you made up? Just like everything else you spew. That's what I thought. Just checking.

Also @TRT really only the first part of this comment, regarding the Coke was about you.
To be honest, I didn't even know you struggled with it. If it is a struggle, I hope you're getting help and support of getting off. If it's just recreational use, I can't say I support it, but I've been there. I don't hold that against you at all. For whatever it's worth.

No I don't have coke problem, thank God and I've never been addicted to anything but the gym. I smoked weed in high school but that was most of it. I've lost plenty of family members to drugs and alcohol though. My brother an I are the last males in our family the rest had heart attacks or over doses.
I don't have anything against drug users cause it doesn't change who people are...well maybe when your high. Haha.
I also never had anything against F24 till he started bashing me. He was rep'n a lab with a bad rap and he was in the line of fire. I said this from the get go and then I was being accused of shitting on our military when I mentioned nothing about it. Like where the hell did that come from? Did anyone say "Hey, I understand your trying to make a point about F24 posting but I'm kinda offended you did it here. Can we debating this somewhere else?" Nope.

 

[franchise24]

Please, keep comparing a legal service with zero potential risk to the consumer, to illegal injectable drugs sales... I am still struggling to see their similarities.

That legal service you speak must be coaching.

Most coaches that coach competitive athletes have cycle plans and stacks for specific goals. I believe chest outlined your cycle.

Now I can't say chest is supplying you with your cycle or that it's part of the cost of his coaching.

But I know for a fact there are plenty of coaches that outline cycles and provide the cycles for the athlete.

I can guarantee to you within a few months I'll be asked at my training facility since it is for the competitive lifter if I ever thought about using. I've getting asked small questions with innuendos here and there already.

 

[Wunderpus]

That legal service you speak must be coaching.

Most coaches that coach competitive athletes have cycle plans and stacks for specific goals. I believe chest outlined your cycle.

Now I can't say chest is supplying you with your cycle or that it's part of the cost of his coaching.

But I know for a fact there are plenty of coaches that outline cycles and provide the cycles for the athlete.

I can guarantee to you within a few months I'll be asked at my training facility since it is for the competitive lifter if I ever thought about using. I've getting asked small questions with innuendos here and there already.

@ChestRockwell supplying me with my cycle? Fuck, if only, seriously! You know how much I'd like to get the cycle I ran, for the price I paid Chest? Ha! Let's keep playing this game.... The "What if CHEST ROCKWELL...." game is hilarious to me.... Yes, obviously he outline my cycle, I have that all noted in the log. I have YET to have lied to the community, especially in such a large way like you have.... So, my word means something. Find any post, at all, that even remotely IMPLIES Chest is/was/will be a source of AAS... You won't. Nor will you find one post where I imply he DID supply them to me.

We get it! You can't see the difference between a completely legal service, online coaching, and a high risk and illegal transaction (anabolic steroids for those who are struggling to keep up).. I wonder WHY you can't see the difference? Is it because one of these options is paying you? Hmmm

Also, amazing that people are asking if you're on steroids... When you're ON STEROIDS.... LOL. You think it takes a rocket scientist to notice someone making almost overnight changes? Fucking A.

 

[franchise24]

Well, I've been transparent from day 1, you have not... So, already a little chink in the armor there, pal. It's no shocker that the rep, the whore, lying shill cunt cannot see the flaws in his own actions... Right? God, I would've expected you to completely understand my perspective, and disregard your own money hungry ideas.... I'm so foolish!

You're right, Franchise. You seem like a great guy, and all. Making fake handles and only discussing it when you are caught. Failing to respect the long standing guidelines we've established in our community... Failing to even truly see anyone else's perspective on the matter. You had to have known you were going to face such resistance, and that's why you made the fake handle. This will never end, until you either leave or create a new handle.

You have been as transparent as you want to be. But coaches like chest. Do more than outline a training plan.

Common knowledge my friend. Especially when you're dealing athletes going for a pro card. I use the term athlete real light. Because I don't think bodybuilders are athletes.

So I can almost guarantee maybe not with you. But with other more serious clients chest provides more than programming and nutrition and cycle layouts.

Let me guess you get your gear from a private person?

 

[franchise24]

@ChestRockwell supplying me with my cycle? Fuck, if only, seriously! You know how much I'd like to get the cycle I ran, for the price I paid Chest? Ha! Let's keep playing this game.... The "What if CHEST ROCKWELL...." game is hilarious to me.... Yes, obviously he outline my cycle, I have that all noted in the log. I have YET to have lied to the community, especially in such a large way like you have.... So, my word means something. Find any post, at all, that even remotely IMPLIES Chest is/was/will be a source of AAS... You won't. Nor will you find one post where I imply he DID supply them to me.

We get it! You can't see the difference between a completely legal service, online coaching, and a high risk and illegal transaction (anabolic steroids for those who are struggling to keep up).. I wonder WHY you can't see the difference? Is it because one of these options is paying you? Hmmm

Also, amazing that people are asking if you're on steroids... When you're ON STEROIDS.... LOL. You think it takes a rocket scientist to notice someone making almost overnight changes? Fucking A.

Cycle layout. And by providing it to you means it part of the cost of the training, nutrition that he is also providing. Not that he's giving you free gear.

 

[Leancuisine]

That's fine. I never said you couldn't. I was all for it remember? No I don't have coke problem, thank God and I've never been addicted to anything but the gym. I smoked weed in high school but that was most of it. I've lost plenty of family members to drugs and alcohol though. My brother an I are the last males in our family the rest had heart attacks or over doses.
I don't have anything against drug users cause it doesn't change who people are...well maybe when your high. Haha.
I also never had anything against F24 till he started bashing me. He was rep'n a lab with a bad rap and he was in the line of fire. I said this from the get go and then I was being accused of shitting on our military when I mentioned nothing about it. Like where the hell did that come from? Did anyone say "Hey, I understand your trying to make a point about F24 posting but I'm kinda offended you did it here. Can we debating this somewhere else?" Nope.

Ya know. That last part is very humble. Definitely an area I need work on.

So the area I saw disrespect was how the thread was made as just a memorial, really. Franny had some friends who had a documentary made about them. He wanted to make it aware to the community. I don't watch CNN. I don't even have cable! There's no way I would have known about it.
So when you made the post about the rep and having to stay in his own lane, I took it as disrespect. I understand that's now how yo meant it.

It just brings back the point of me wondering why everyone can't just take things in with a clean slate.
But that brings up the point wunderpus said. If everyone had the same goals, this forum would be a lot friendlier.

Did I take you in on a clean slate? Not really. Well no not at all. Because I've had people literally say "thanks for your service but fuck you" on this forum. So I took that in with hostility, even though you didn't even say those words. Or mean disrespect. Or honestly say anything disrespectful outside of personal things with Franny.

So it's the same. People get burnt by sources and greet them with hostility. I did the same thing to yoyou, for different reasons.

 

[franchise24]

@ChestRockwell supplying me with my cycle? Fuck, if only, seriously! You know how much I'd like to get the cycle I ran, for the price I paid Chest? Ha! Let's keep playing this game.... The "What if CHEST ROCKWELL...." game is hilarious to me.... Yes, obviously he outline my cycle, I have that all noted in the log. I have YET to have lied to the community, especially in such a large way like you have.... So, my word means something. Find any post, at all, that even remotely IMPLIES Chest is/was/will be a source of AAS... You won't. Nor will you find one post where I imply he DID supply them to me.

We get it! You can't see the difference between a completely legal service, online coaching, and a high risk and illegal transaction (anabolic steroids for those who are struggling to keep up).. I wonder WHY you can't see the difference? Is it because one of these options is paying you? Hmmm

Also, amazing that people are asking if you're on steroids... When you're ON STEROIDS.... LOL. You think it takes a rocket scientist to notice someone making almost overnight changes? Fucking A.

And you obviously can't comprehend what I posting but read that again. I didn't say he provided you with the cycle. Don't try and twist this around brother.

 

[JC456]

@ChestRockwell is not a dealer.

 

[Wunderpus]

You have been as transparent as you want to be. But coaches like chest. Do more than outline a training plan.

Common knowledge my friend. Especially when you're dealing athletes going for a pro card. I use the term athlete real light. Because I don't think bodybuilders are athletes.

So I can almost guarantee maybe not with you. But with other more serious clients chest provides more than programming and nutrition and cycle layouts.

Let me guess you get your gear from a private person?

"Transparent as you want to be"... What a joke and a fucking insult wrapped in one. I've been transparent about literally everything, not just my time with Chest... About my personal cycles, training, experiences, supplements I've ran in the past... Everything. To imply this is somehow, or would be, any different is based off of pure speculation without evidence.

Well, Chest never offered to supply me with anything. I probably wouldn't have accepted the offer, as I have a good raw supplier that I use from a board that Chest isn't even on.... You can "almost guarantee" that Chest supplies some of his clients with their drugs all you want. But, again, this is based off of absolutely zero evidence whatsoever, and pure speculation... Why are you speculating complete hypotheticals without real evidence? Oh, well, maybe because you're defending a bullshit argument and using more bullshit to do so...

 

[Leancuisine]

These posts are getting far too long and frequent to keep up.

I'm out.

 

[franchise24]

@ChestRockwell is not a dealer.

I never claimed he was a dealer.

 

[Wunderpus]

You have been as transparent as you want to be. But coaches like chest. Do more than outline a training plan.

Common knowledge my friend. Especially when you're dealing athletes going for a pro card. I use the term athlete real light. Because I don't think bodybuilders are athletes.

So I can almost guarantee maybe not with you. But with other more serious clients chest provides more than programming and nutrition and cycle layouts.

Let me guess you get your gear from a private person?

And you obviously can't comprehend what I posting but read that again. I didn't say he provided you with the cycle. Don't try and twist this around brother.

Then, um, what ARE you implying by saying he provides clients with "more" than a cycle layout, diet, etc.?

 

[MindlessWork]

@ChestRockwell is not a dealer.

Technically he deals in training.

 

[franchise24]

"Transparent as you want to be"... What a joke and a fucking insult wrapped in one. I've been transparent about literally everything, not just my time with Chest... About my personal cycles, training, experiences, supplements I've ran in the past... Everything. To imply this is somehow, or would be, any different is based off of pure speculation without evidence.

Well, Chest never offered to supply me with anything. I probably wouldn't have accepted the offer, as I have a good raw supplier that I use from a board that Chest isn't even on.... You can "almost guarantee" that Chest supplies some of his clients with their drugs all you want. But, again, this is based off of absolutely zero evidence whatsoever, and pure speculation... Why are you speculating complete hypotheticals without real evidence? Oh, well, maybe because you're defending a bullshit argument and using more bullshit to do so...

I'm speaking from experience and seeing coaches provide all these services. Not bullshit. You stay in your bubble. And carry on. I need to prepare my shit for training tonight. I did sub to your log I don't get notifications for some reason. I'll be following.

 

[franchise24]

Technically he deals in training.

Yes technically he does. Probably a few degrees in the field certifications.

When you get to a level of dealing with people that are trying to pro or are pro. The scenery changes completely.

A coach gets a sponsored athlete that adds more credibility to his coaching and brings him more money. And possibly a sponsorship of his own.

 

[franchise24]

@Wunderpus take care brother man. Hope all goes well. Doesn't fool me. I'm done.