Hercules-Pharma.com

[hvbballplaya23]

Idk why he responded to me. I'm not banking on receiving it or it being dosed properly. But I just wanted to update people what he said was happening

 

[alaskinassasin]

Why wouldn't he just come announce it in the thread?

You coming into the thread stating he's made contact you is a bunch of bullshit. You can go fuck off and tell your buddy herc that me and a shit ton of people are waiting for our gear and a complimentary blow job. That's right..all of us. I expect that fucker to stroke the shaft, lick my balls, and swallow that shit.

Even after this point I will take my gear and part ways with this low life fucker.

 

[CensoredBoardsSuck]

It's disappointing to see this happen at Meso. Hopefully, Hercules turning scammer will be the end of the IDIOTIC recommendation that new sources send free gear to vets in exchange for a review. It certainly won't prevent a scam as we've just seen with Hercules. The only ones who benefit from that practice are the sources.

The sequence of events that led to Hercules' scam followed the usual pattern of past scams that have happened countless times on every board. The new source supplies a few trusted vets with "good" gear and once the vets report the gear is gtg, everyone feels all warm and fuzzy and places an order. After the source has built up a sufficiently large clientelle, the scam begins. Sometimes the scam is intentional - sometimes the source just loses control and is unable to meet demand, but the result is the same - people lose their money.

And keep in mind that many new sources are repeat scammers, operating under a new name. Be especially wary of the ones like Hercules that appear to have their shit together when they make their introduction - they are the ones most likely to be repeat scammers. They have their shit together because they're experienced in this game.

Although it's impossible to completely eliminate the risk of being scammed, you can minimize the risk by using sources that have been in business a long time and built a solid reputation. The odds of getting scammed are much greater when ordering from sources that have only been in business a short time and have no references.

How are new sources supposed to gain trust and build a reputation without vet support, you ask? Who gives a shit! It's not my problem and you shouldn't make it yours, either. Hell, they can go to promuscle or OLM and pay the sponcer fees like the rest of the scammers do, or hope they can pick up enough risk takers along the way to build a name. Either way, they don't belong on Meso getting a free ride because vets are willing to give them a shot.

MHOO
CBS

 

[biggerben69]

I like your post. These people come here because it's free. No charge to put their shit up for sale. They have no backing or capital. It's easy to tell when instead of running some stupid contest and give the shit away some do fronts and are worried about getting paid on 3 or 4 vials. Amateurs.
Now, bio has Stretch. Stretch is respected here. He and bio have a leg up because of this reason. It wouldn't make sense for Stretch and bio to go to a board and pay sponsor fees where he'd have competition. He's got a captive audience here at Meso. Without question Bio has an advantage.
Stretch is actually is in a better spot as a known rep and not the owner of a lab. Less politics and as a rep can appear less concerned about the company as he could simply walk away. As an owner he's got his own money tied up in many things. and his company has to be first.
Stretch, are you an owner of bio or are you just a rep as you were with SF?

 

[hvbballplaya23]

Dudes i dont know why he emailed me and not you guys. I have no connection with him at all. This is the first time I ordered from him. If he sends out stuff sweet. But I'm not banking my money on it. I sent him about 3 emails and a few pms before he actually got back to me so i dont know. We will see if we get anything.

 

[Dr JIM]

The GETM analogy is an absolute non-sequitur Stretch.

I have NO RELATIONSHIP with GETM whatsoever!

I have ONLY purchased AAS for years from them and they have always treated me and those that I refer more than fairly.

More recently two unknowns (unlike Herc) complained about being "screwed" by GETM. i remain steadfast in my support of them until bonified evidence is presented (and what has been provided so far is absolutely NOTHING)

Apparently however you supplied Herc with AAS right?

Why? To make a deal, for profit? That form a a relationship is often referred to joint and several liability, mate.

Whether you knew they were GTG or not, you AGAIN were far to trusting and should have investigated this NEW COMPANY more thoroughly, IMO.

The FACTS are Stretch (as I understand them) you PROFITED from your relationship with Herc and some suffered because of it. Consequently some would consider you culpable, at least to some extent, as well.

Lastly, this is the very reason I've warned Meso members to avoid startup AAS companies.

Regards
Jim

 

[rlhall12]

I can definitely say this board is not censored.... can we kiss and make up?


**disclaimer ALL models are at least 18 yrs old

 

[Dr JIM]

Kiss and make up? What for?

This I called a debate and is not personal but should be based on facts as understood by involved parties, the purpose of which is to develop some form of consensus.

Unfortunately they occur all to infrequently on damn near ever other CENSORED forum.
Jim

 

[rlhall12]

I love this board...two thumbs up. Debate away. Dont mind if a few hot chicks show up.

 

[a.witch]

Alright, I've been sitting on this thread for a while, and while I've formulated my own opinion about what's actually happening I'm going to keep most of that to myself. I've been talking to both sides of this thing via PM and email, and I don't trust either one of them. Saying anything negative about certain members here is akin to suicide on this board, so I'm going to say this:

Herc, I'm not interested in you "making things right" with the bunk Trenbolone Acetate. I won't be doing business with you again. Likewise, I won't be doing business with Biologic. Ever. This has something to do with Red Tops. And an email both the same day and a week after I was told not to buy them because they were bunk, but to jump on a group buy instead. Anyone who would badmouth their own product, yet keep it listed in stock, and have their own people try to keep selling it after the fact won't get my money ever.

Oh, and yeah, it still has nothing to do with Herc's Trenbolone. Or whatever that garbage was. I still hold you blameless for that.

I'm a chemist, and I have a modest lab at my house. I also have a few sources for raw powders. I have access to MS/GC even. Autoclaves run as cheap as $2000, so I'm getting my own. Why pay upwards of $12 per gram when I can get it for as little as $1.20? Fuck you guys, I'm homebrewing. If I can synthesize my own fentanyl, I can easily brew my own gear.

Herc, feel free to post that email if you want, they'll probably ban me for this post anyway. While I'm at it, BiggerBen- it's nice to see you post in a thread where your nose isn't up Stretch's ass. Sorry, but it had to be said. I joined the forum and was lucky enough to catch the SM fiasco mid-shitstorm, and disregarded GETM entirely because you backed it. That, and I kinda saw you as... Well... Stretch's biggest shill. So whenever I saw you go on the attack, I just read it as you trying to drive sales to Biologic. Am I wrong? Probably. I don't know you, and that's just how it looked. Seems you aren't that bad a guy after all. Sorry mate.

I'd like to not get banned. I'd like to stay in this community, and even contribute when I have time. Who knows, maybe I'll be spared the wrath of the banhammer after all. Underground Labs are all shady as fuck, it's inherent to the first word in the phrase.

 

[alaskinassasin]

Honestly what is the purpose of this shit? Sure hot chicks are awesome but is this really the place?

 

[Raider72]

N0, I didn't get a PM from you about herc. The last few months when I'd get pm's from members asking about herc I'd tell them that if they were going to order they should do so sooner than later as I didn't give them/him more than 6 mos as either LE or being overwhelmed and fucking up would do them in.
I will say I'm going back through the threads and get a timeline straight in my head.
I'm not sure exactly why my initial feeling was that bio fucked up by getting mixed up with herc. I never said you oer bio KNOWINGLY were part of his shady shit.


I am one of the New members that sent a PM to BB & he almost word for word responded exactly as he states to me. His advice was simply that he could not confirm that Herc was legit personally but that several vets that he trusted had. He told me if I chose to order to get in & out now & don't come back & that he felt if Herc was legit he would not last for the same reasons he stated above.

As far as Stretch goes. I do not have anything but good things to say about him. As someone who got taken by Herc & had knowledge that Bio had supplied Herc some product to help him out, I have zero feelings that Stretch is responsible in any way. What Herc chose to do or not do after purchasing Bio product has nothing to do with Stretch. Stretch has been nothing but helpful, taking the time to answer many of my noob bonehead questions & give advice. It should be pointed out that this was when Bio was private & I was not reffereed so initially there was no benifit to Stretch to give me any time at all. Stretch is one of a handful of vet members that were very helpful & straight forward when I arrived at this board. I am not an experienced body builder or very knowledgable about AAS.
I got scammed by Herc & Herc alone based on the info I have. Stretch made a sale to another source (competition) whom he felt was a good dude & by doing so made some money while believeing he was helping the community. Bio is maintaining a Biz plan that looks to be smarter & more sustained then Herc.
I just wish he would respond to PM's & just answer the question of what was the issue with the product & why. Bad powder? Cut or dilluted? Underdosed? What?

I have a feeling that BB was right from the begining, Herc started out with good intentions (& good product) but didn't have a plan & got in over his head & either cut corners or screwed up on the import/manufacturing process.

 

[1forthegeeks]

I mean if your gonna come out swinging you might as well say your piece. I think the whole uncensored bit covers you as far as getting banned. Throw out whatcha got mate.

 

[TaoPhD]

I love this board...two thumbs up. Debate away. Dont mind if a few hot chicks show up.

I second this

 

[a.witch]

I mean if your gonna come out swinging you might as well say your piece. I think the whole uncensored bit covers you as far as getting banned. Throw out whatcha got mate.

Fine, fuck it. Why the hell not?

Back when Biologic was open to the public, I wanted to jump at the chance to join the 1337 secret club of vetted, approved members and sign up with what seemed to be the best source for gear. And man, did I ever want to get myself some growth. On the 5th or the 6th, I asked Stretch if it was too late to join. He said it wasn't. Said that if I wanted to, I still had time. Said that if I had an order over $200 to use the email, not the website. I told him that I was interested in the hgh Red Tops for $250, and since it was over $200 I'd like the email.

Stretch took a bit too long getting back to me, so I made the jump and just ordered through Biologic's website. I sent him a PM saying as much.

Hey Stretch, I just wanted to know if Biologic is still open to the public. I'd like to get some growth, and you guys are about the only trustworthy source that has any. I've been ordering my gear from Herc as I'm a newbie here on the forum, but I'd definitely love to get some of the other stuff Biologic caries as well.

Either way it goes, thanks for your time bro.

Open to the public until the 8th

Sweet deal! Is it ok to just sign up at the Biologic website, or is there another step I need to take?

Website is fine.

Larger orders get processed faster using email alone, and I can supply you the email address. But for orders $200 or less, the site is just fine.

I'd like to get a 100iu kit of red tops, which is listed as $250 at the website, and maybe a few other things. Yeah, I think I'll be better off with the email then. Thanks. Pretty damn excited about finding a dom source for growth.

It took a while, so I made my order. I waited, and sent the guy an email asking for a response. He told me that he was a bit busy, but he'd get back to me. Then I got this from Stretch:

UGH. We won't sell our growth.

We had some bad blood tests come back, and the growth was bunk. So we aren't selling it.

However, I am going to hook you up with some another way. Watch the underground section for me to create a thread. It will be titled: "Anyone want to split some GH? ROUND 2"

The email contact for biologic is

redacted

In a separate PM thread, before I read the above, I sent this:

Well, I just went ahead and placed an order through the website for the 100iu kit of red tops. Just waiting for them to get back to me by email. Thanks again stretch!

Do NOT pay that order.

Those red-tops won't be on the site very much longer, and if some new employee forwards you payment details DO NOT send money for REDTOPS

Thanks for the heads up. It's actually pretty awesome that you'd come right out and tell me like that. Yeah, one of the employees got back to me, but said he(?) was busy with other orders, or something to that effect. Wait, here:

I will be right on that.. I saw it.. Just trying to get the others out....... Get it done asap.... I am on a bad internet connection right now so it is quicker to send out email this second

D

It sucks doubly though, because I wanted to get growth, but I also didn't want to miss out on being included in the one month trial opening. :/ There are a few things I'd definitely want to get from Biologic for a future cycle (var, primo) but I'll need the growth sooner and don't really have the scratch for both. I'll definitely jump on the new hgh thread as per your earlier PM.

Sounds good man. I will refer you to biologic when the time comes.

I got another email from sarbu something, the guy from biologic, shortly after. I disregarded it. HGH Red Tops still on the site, listed as g2g along with all of Biologic's gear. It never was taken off. I felt something was fishy, so I posted in the BL thread that there had been a problem, and Stretch looked out for me. I was intentionally non-specific. I got another email, maybe a week later, asking why I hadn't made a payment or sent shipping information.

I saw the HGH Round 2 thread, and disregarded it.

I definitely think Stretch tried to fuck someone. Or make a fast buck. Or maybe he was being honest, and Biologic was trying to fuck anyone that bought their HGH. And still is. I'm not making accusations, I'm just taking my money elsewhere. You guys do what you want. But stop worshiping the ground he walks on. It's fucking shameful. You don't know his mind, and he's not in business for you. He's here to make money.

Wisest thing BiggerBen's said on this thread was comparing Stretch the vet to Stretch the Biologic rep. And that's what prompted this wall of text.

Edit: And I dare you to fucking deny it. Mods here might not be able to access the PM's directly through the site interface (been a while since I moderated a board) but they can damn sure read them in the SQL. It's in plain fucking text. Oh, and fuck you too Herc.

 

[smiles]

Honestly what is the purpose of this shit? Sure hot chicks are awesome but is this really the place?

. I see your point, but I think the dude was just trying to shed some light in this dark tunnel.... But at the same time too though I see how it could get frustrating when it seems like it's being pushed on trying to dowse the flames of the fire... Some times you just need to let it burn out on its own... I do like the pics though it brings a smile to my face when I see them in the miss of all the disarray.... That's just my opinion on that bit... It's easy the get pissed and pound the shit out of your key board( or if it was in face to face, pounding a face in)but its harder to keep your cool and be calm and collected... I found mma to be a great stress reliever... Okay in done with my therapy session... Lol

 

[raysugar1234]

Alright, I've been sitting on this thread for a while, and while I've formulated my own opinion about what's actually happening I'm going to keep most of that to myself. I've been talking to both sides of this thing via PM and email, and I don't trust either one of them. Saying anything negative about certain members here is akin to suicide on this board, so I'm going to say this:

Herc, I'm not interested in you "making things right" with the bunk Trenbolone Acetate. I won't be doing business with you again. Likewise, I won't be doing business with Biologic. Ever. This has something to do with Red Tops. And an email both the same day and a week after I was told not to buy them because they were bunk, but to jump on a group buy instead. Anyone who would badmouth their own product, yet keep it listed in stock, and have their own people try to keep selling it after the fact won't get my money ever.

Oh, and yeah, it still has nothing to do with Herc's Trenbolone. Or whatever that garbage was. I still hold you blameless for that.

I'm a chemist, and I have a modest lab at my house. I also have a few sources for raw powders. I have access to MS/GC even. Autoclaves run as cheap as $2000, so I'm getting my own. Why pay upwards of $12 per gram when I can get it for as little as $1.20? Fuck you guys, I'm homebrewing. If I can synthesize my own fentanyl, I can easily brew my own gear.

Herc, feel free to post that email if you want, they'll probably ban me for this post anyway. While I'm at it, BiggerBen- it's nice to see you post in a thread where your nose isn't up Stretch's ass. Sorry, but it had to be said. I joined the forum and was lucky enough to catch the SM fiasco mid-shitstorm, and disregarded GETM entirely because you backed it. That, and I kinda saw you as... Well... Stretch's biggest shill. So whenever I saw you go on the attack, I just read it as you trying to drive sales to Biologic. Am I wrong? Probably. I don't know you, and that's just how it looked. Seems you aren't that bad a guy after all. Sorry mate.

I'd like to not get banned. I'd like to stay in this community, and even contribute when I have time. Who knows, maybe I'll be spared the wrath of the banhammer after all. Underground Labs are all shady as fuck, it's inherent to the first word in the phrase.

If your going be homebrewing then why are you here? Home brew, you dont wanna order gear online then dont. We are sharing our experiences of what we get and scammers. To help each other out. If you don;t want to be a part of this then quit wasting our time.

 

[1forthegeeks]

It was to my understanding that the site was not updated which is why BL was private and email was required for the current list. I just double checked, and my list doesn't have any growth of any kind. Maybe it did get pulled and the round 2 was a different product which is why he asked you to wait?

Even still, the round 2 wasn't offered to just anyone, demonstrated by the fact that a few newbies got shot down by both stretch and bb69. If it was about making a profit, I feel like they would have taken all offers.

Just my opinion on everything I've read so far.

 

[a.witch]

If your going be homebrewing then why are you here? Home brew, you dont wanna order gear online then dont. We are sharing our experiences of what we get and scammers. To help each other out. If you don;t want to be a part of then quit wasting our time.

Um... I was scammed too. I'm sure there are plenty of other guys on the forum that homebrew. Thinksteroids forum comprises more than just this one thread. So by posting my experience I'm wasting your time? Well... feel free to eat a dick and let these guys keep scamming you.

 

[raysugar1234]

Um... I was scammed too. I'm sure there are plenty of other guys on the forum that homebrew. Thinksteroids forum comprises more than just this one thread. So by posting my experience I'm wasting your time? Well... feel free to eat a dick and let these guys keep scamming you.

And you just said you want nothing more to do with ordering anything online, So why are you here... So be immature and tell me to eat a dick. I didnt say anything rude to you..