Ben raised some good questions, and I mostly ignored them, because I couldn't see anything but A.Bitch's slow death.
Now, that I can think I feel I should respond to what Ben had to say.
N0, I didn't get a PM from you about herc. The last few months when I'd get pm's from members asking about herc I'd tell them that if they were going to order they should do so sooner than later as I didn't give them/him more than 6 mos as either LE or being overwhelmed and fucking up would do them in.
That's strange. I know I've PM'd you about other similar questions in the past, I don't know why I wouldn't have included you in the group message I sent to others.
I will say I'm going back through the threads and get a timeline straight in my head.
I'm not sure exactly why my initial feeling was that bio fucked up by getting mixed up with herc. I never said you oer bio KNOWINGLY were part of his shady shit. I do think it seems that if you all didn't get involved the fucking bullshit would've ended sooner and less would've been stolen from members.
The first time we sold him gear was the end of July. The second (and only other) time was in the beginning of Sept. Hercules was just another customer. I thought long and hard about doing the shrewd thing, telling him to get fucked and make his customers wait. I had this stupid idea that all the sources who operated here could be cool with eachother, understanding that the pie is so big we don't have to pull any bullshit on eachother. Hercules seemed to feel the same way. If biologic wouldn't have sold to him, he would have outsourced somewhere else, and in my opinion, the community would have been receiving an inferior product, compared to what they received from us through Hercules. That is, unless he tampered with the product, which I have no way of knowing if he did, as some have speculated.
You and I have had our moments but I respect and enjoy your posts and believe you have members interests in mind. That being said, you're still a rep and responsibility is first to them.
First to who? To BioLogic? In a way yes, but at the end of the day I have still have to fall asleep at night, and I couldn't do that if I used the faith of others to pad my wallet. I'm not cut that way....anymore.
Do you not agree that your presence and actions are as a rep for bio. Now, I;ve been asked if you are in fact the owner/operator of bio, I have no idea if you are or not? I think it's safe to say that if you don't own bio that you most certainly have a much longer leash than most other reps anywhere on any board. You run the show. If I was bio I would do the same thing, You'd have the keys and the power to make any decision you felt was appropriate in a situation.
When it comes to Stretch the member and vet and Stretch the rep for a source here the line is, for me, extremely fucking blurry.
I understand there is a general mistrust of REPS. I don't expect to be treated like a normal member, I understand that EVERY SMART MEMBER, will look at me with suspicion AS THEY SHOULD. Whether I own a part of BioLogic or not is irrelevant as my actions here are that of a REP, and as you said....I am a REP with a very long leash.
Monday morning quarterbacking is easy, I am aware. I can say with confidence that I wouldn't have gotten into a spot that you got bio into by supplying herc with bio gear to sell as his own. I don't understand why you would do this. I without a doubt call that move a complete lapse in judgment. You can try and dress it up anyway you want. Was it greed seeing another sale and wanting every dollar you can snatch,
Did you feel for the guy and want to help him? How did the move to supply herc help bio? Did it put them in a better position somehow?
Yeah. It sounds soft. Maybe it is, but that's what it was. I wanted to help him. I wanted to establish a trust between the sources here, I liked that Hercules and I got along. I could bounce some questions about how to add MoneyPak payment if I wanted to, he answered honestly, and was going to help me, but I declined. But, it was cool being able to have a good relationship between the two of us, thats why I reviewed his gear, and that's why I sold him product even though he was competition. I regret it now.
It wasn't a greedy cash grab, I actually put myself in a bad spot where I was short on inventory after selling to him, but as I said, I wanted to help him.
No one has ever described me as one who makes dumb business or a financial decisions, I think things through pretty far ahead. The way I looked at it, if Hercules wanted to scam people why in the fuck is he coming to me and paying $25-$30/vial for 50vials???? When he could go somewhere else and pay $15-20/vial??? That just doesn't make sense, and that is what led me to believe he honestly wanted a high quality product.
I'll follow up. I'm about to eat. One more thing. You like to bring up Get M and my taking gear from them. Are you calling me a liar when I say that I was asked by a friend from the board to try some gear from a lab his good friend owned and that the ONLY thing he asked in return were my thoughts and to give him my review? Are you calling me a liar when I say it was a good 45-60 days before GetM showed up here at meso and IF I HAD KNOWN THEY WERE GOING TO BE SOURCING HERE THAT I WOULD NEVER HAVE TAKEN IT?
I was not happy when they showed up here. I didn't like the feeling I had when they did. It felt as if I was tricked fooled into breaking my own personal rules I have put in place for myself. Are you saying I'm full of shit? Are you saying I pushed that place?
Nope. I just needed to find a time in our history together, where you put yourself in a somewhat vulnerable position ethically. Or where someone could, somewhat twist the facts around, in order to make you FEEL responsible, so that you can understand how I feel, when I am asked incessantly to answer character related questions.
Now, bio has Stretch. Stretch is respected here. He and bio have a leg up because of this reason. It wouldn't make sense for Stretch and bio to go to a board and pay sponsor fees where he'd have competition. He's got a captive audience here at Meso. Without question Bio has an advantage.
It might not make sense, but it's happening. We're in the process of getting set up on another board. Thanks to Mands.
We like competition Ben. We're athletes
Stretch is actually is in a better spot as a known rep and not the owner of a lab. Less politics and as a rep can appear less concerned about the company as he could simply walk away
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I actually disagree.
When I was with SF the noob customers always liked talking to Roy because they liked knowing they were talking to the owner. I think this was an advantage for Hercules.
As an owner he's got his own money tied up in many things. and his company has to be first.
No Ben. Money isn't first to me. And my actions show this. And for some reason, I like giving people shit, I can be way too nice for my own good at times. Sounds like bullshit? I don't give a fuck, that is one of my true weaknesses. 3 days ago, before any of this bullshit about my character started, a guy needed some DBOL and biologic is out of stock. He didn't want a ton, just 100, so I just gave them to him, he's not gonna talk about it. He's not gonna review them, it wasn't anything like that. He just needed them for his cycle, and I wanted to help.
Why is this so hard to believe??? Why can't it be believed that I was a customer who sat for years and wondered why every source I dealt with treated me like I was l lucky to send them my money? No replies to emails. Replies every 48 hours to emails. Shit gear. Underdosed gear. Painful ass gear. Nothing but accusations and speculation when I complained about any of the above.
It was fucking BULLSHIT. And I looked at the situation for years and told myself I could do way fucking better. Then I met someone who was doing better, and I began to work with him. And that someone was BioLogic, (although he had a different name at the time) He shares my belief about how to handle complaints, he shares my beliefs about customer service, he shares what I believe about pretty much everything, and he gives me a very long leash to act as I see fit on business matters.
For me, (and I can't believe I'm answering this) my reasons for being in this business is I hope to parlay my experience with this, into an RC business. I don't like even helping someone do something illegal. And you know why Ben, you've seen my paperwork. So, I want to be legit, and I see my work with BioLogic, the connections I am developing everyday are helping me get started in that direction. Even more than the connections Ben, it's the reputation I am trying to build. It's not about the money here
today for me Ben. I NEED my reputation to stay good, I NEED my reputation to grow, I want to be in the community for Decades not years.
Respect for myself is the nice way to say it. Ego/arrogance is another way to say it, I just fucking want to be the best, and if I didn't believe I could, then I wouldn't try this. And I care too much about my reputation, and what people would think of me to ever let things end the way many sources end.
