Yeah it definitely helps to know what is causing the depressed feeling, and that it will get better.
Have you considered continuing serms longer?
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Have you considered continuing serms longer?
Theworm
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Fertility is a hard one. I made sure I did proper pct and stayed off for long periods till I had kids then trt after.
On trt my psa is .6, kidneys perfect and hdl is 49, ldl 96...
I’ve tried to get off trt so many times it’s laughable. But for me my natural TT at its highest was 388...
JP1979
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I'm just giving my body a break. My GFR is trending down and below range, HDL low 20s, LDL 120s.... Prostate I need to recheck, mid June it was .9..... Then, in Oct during my test/primo/prov cycle it jumped to 6.0. So I dropped everything and started PCT.
I'm not expecting to get any usable test level.
JP1979
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I'm gonna go off it all and see what happens. If things don't stay where they are or improve I have plenty of serms, HCG, HMG
Theworm
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Go to peaktestosterone website and check catacous threads
He got normal LH and fsh while on trt
He added enclomiphene to gnrh and it took a few months but good results
He got normal LH and fsh while on trt
He added enclomiphene to gnrh and it took a few months but good results
Day 10: Depressed and lethargic
Day 11: Little better
Day 12-14: Actually feeling quite well.
The biggest thing that annoys me, is that my dick is in a shrimp mode, but obviously that can be expected when your testosterone takes a dive.
Now I'm at the mark where I measured almost zero testosterone on Tamoxifen.
I'm considering getting testosterone measured tomorrow to see how differently clomid effects me.
Normally I wouldn't take bloods after just 2 weeks but I'm curious to see how it compares to the same time length on Tamoxifen.
I have been feeling a lot better on Clomiphene than I did on Tamoxifen.
If I do get it measured, I'll take only totatestosterone since it's the cheapest.
No point getting other values yet, since it's just for comparison.
I'll get a more throughout blood test after a month or two.
Day 11: Little better
Day 12-14: Actually feeling quite well.
The biggest thing that annoys me, is that my dick is in a shrimp mode, but obviously that can be expected when your testosterone takes a dive.
Now I'm at the mark where I measured almost zero testosterone on Tamoxifen.
I'm considering getting testosterone measured tomorrow to see how differently clomid effects me.
Normally I wouldn't take bloods after just 2 weeks but I'm curious to see how it compares to the same time length on Tamoxifen.
I have been feeling a lot better on Clomiphene than I did on Tamoxifen.
If I do get it measured, I'll take only totatestosterone since it's the cheapest.
No point getting other values yet, since it's just for comparison.
I'll get a more throughout blood test after a month or two.
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Grab Bag
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Keep us updated brother. Will be following your journey.
Will do, thanks.
Just got result from my blood test.
Total testosterone: 3.8nmol/l (8-29)
I gotta say, not bad for a 2 week time on clomid. Sure it's low, but better than what the same time on Tamoxifen gave me.
I've been also just generally feeling a lot better than I did on Tamoxifen.
When do you guys think I should take a more throughout blood test?
Days 15-19: Tired. No interest in anything.
Also I've still been having heart palpitations (pvc or pac), even though being only on Clomiphene, which is depressing.
I hope it's just from my hormones being all over the place, and that things will get better as time goes and they start to balance out.
Also I've still been having heart palpitations (pvc or pac), even though being only on Clomiphene, which is depressing.
I hope it's just from my hormones being all over the place, and that things will get better as time goes and they start to balance out.
JP1979
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Yesterday was my last day on serms. Moving to the following.
DIM 400 1 cap x am/pm
T-Sterone10 3 caps x am/pm
Maca Root 1900 1 serv x am/pm
D AA 3000mg .5 serv x am/pm
Boron 3mg 1 x pm
Zinc 220mg 1 x pm
Manganese 15mg 1 x am
Getting labs in a couple weeks so we will see how this works out.
DIM 400 1 cap x am/pm
T-Sterone10 3 caps x am/pm
Maca Root 1900 1 serv x am/pm
D AA 3000mg .5 serv x am/pm
Boron 3mg 1 x pm
Zinc 220mg 1 x pm
Manganese 15mg 1 x am
Getting labs in a couple weeks so we will see how this works out.
Damn man that's a pretty hefty dose of zinc.
Do you recon DAA will help? I have some in my drawer and I'm now considering adding it with clomiphene.
JP1979
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I don’t know if any of it will help. Read a ton of studies so this was the stack I picked will let you know next labs.
As far as the zinc, the study I read said 220mg had a positive effect.
Day 19-22: feeling tired, but today a bit better. Actually had energy to play in the snow and make a snow castle. Good times.
Libido is still nonexistent.
I've been taking the Clomiphene before bed for few days now, and have had trouble falling asleep.
Gonna see if I have trouble falling asleep tonight also, and if I do, I'll switch back to takin the Clomiphene earlier during the day.
Libido is still nonexistent.
I've been taking the Clomiphene before bed for few days now, and have had trouble falling asleep.
Gonna see if I have trouble falling asleep tonight also, and if I do, I'll switch back to takin the Clomiphene earlier during the day.
JP1979
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When is your next set of labs?
Doctor adviced me to get a larger blood test after 2 months on Clomiphene.
Still I'm probably going to get another total testosterone test on my own, when 2 weeks have passed after the first one.
That way I'll have some data of how well the medicine is working.
Sleep has been shit lately.
The other night I couldn't sleep at all.
Last night I took 3mg Melatonin and it helped me sleep, but still woke up in the middle of the night.
This is actually a bit promising, since I always loose my sleep for few nights when my testosterone starts to climb.
Like if I start injecting testosterone, my sleep will go to shit for few nights and then balance out.
I hope this is the case right here too, and will go away soon.
Gonna check my total testosterone level next week to see if it's different from last time.
The other night I couldn't sleep at all.
Last night I took 3mg Melatonin and it helped me sleep, but still woke up in the middle of the night.
This is actually a bit promising, since I always loose my sleep for few nights when my testosterone starts to climb.
Like if I start injecting testosterone, my sleep will go to shit for few nights and then balance out.
I hope this is the case right here too, and will go away soon.
Gonna check my total testosterone level next week to see if it's different from last time.
JP1979
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Boom
Looking good. So you're not currently on any meds?
HCG spikes my estrogen too. Was on 150 mg of test and 1000IU of HCG a week. I blast and cruise now and cut the HCG out. If I had to I know I feel normal at 100 mg with no HCG. I don't feel amazing but normal and have no complaints. I would just figure out the minimum dose of test to feel normal and run it. I would be surprised if your body knows were the test is coming from. I would start low and work up. Maybe try sub Q at 10mg a day.
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