Humble pie for a newbie...

[Hughesythelegend]

Hi guys, so after months and months of always coming in this site to read and reflect I have now decided to join and my first post is this..... I am indeed open to eating humble pie here ad I don't want to think that any advice given back won't be taken onboard I promise it will be!! Ok here goes.... I'm 30 years old 5ft 10" and now about 94kg strong frame with abs and definition as I'm not sure what my body fat is anymore. I have been a pro fighter since 20 and I have always cut down to fight at 70kg which I a lightweight so my body has been under a fair amount of strain to say the least however I always eat clean and I mean clean I don't remember the last bowl of chips I had but that's just personal choice after all these years doing it to fight. Last year I was forced to quit as a blow to the eye tore my retina (should of had my hands up lol) and I have a 9 month old daughter who needs my attention and eyesight so that with the constant weight cut has forced me to stop. Ok moving on so I don't bore everyone I have always had strength and conditioning so obviously went into bodybuilding but not as a weedy little guy who knows nothing! As a pro fighter I couldn't take steroids for obvious reasons I couldn't even take water tablets from health stores! So last year I started my first course with a course of test and ran that for a 8weeks 1ml EOD, came off for 5weeks with no pct felt fine just what I wanted just to get a "feel" of things, obviously I eat clean and don't drink or smoke and take multivitamins/cold liver oil/omega3/zma/aminos.
now 14 weeks ago I started another course of tren/test 1ml EOD and like an idiot ran it for 14 weeks and went from torip by Apollo labs to super rip by excel pharma both containing test prop and tren ace but the torip did have mast p in it. The only reason for the change was I couldn't get anymore torip to finish my course but could get super rip. I added in dbol 25mg ED for one week then 50mg ED for 5 weeks and that ran 6 week course alongside the Injectables, halfway through the Injectables. My course finished on December 5th and I took (on advice) 2500iu HCG 2 days later then 1250iu 2 days later the 1250iu 2 days after that so 5000iu in a week, then waited a week and started my nolvadex (which is starting 2 weeks after my last test/tren jab). Ran nolvadex at 40/20/20 and that finished 2 days ago on the Sunday. I have gone straight into proviron at 25mg a day now (I know it's a frowned apon drug on this site). My problems are I have loads of energy and testosterone in the gym and have only lost about 2kgs, not too tired although I am going to bed earlier but that might be my age! I'm still benching over 150kg too and not gassing out too much running up the stairs! No other problems either like hair/skin etc (touch wood)!! But, the serious part I'm on edge I'll have mood swings and I'm very placid usually,even on the gear! I have no sex drive,no constant erections (having to thumb in a softy is no fun!) and hardly any sperm!!! I am also under huge amounts of stress right now, split with my ex after 10 years and selling the house, sorting solicitors, moving out and work and my 9 month old daughter etc etc.....
So, my question is what have I done wrong for the future of this sport when I do it again so I don't make the same mistakes and what do I do now??? Is this phase reversible or fixable? Also I have bloods on the 28th booked in.
Please can someone help me that's all I'm asking.... Thanks!

 

[Eman]

I am also under huge amounts of stress right now, split with my ex after 10 years and selling the house, sorting solicitors, moving out and work and my 9 month old daughter etc etc.....

^ this has been known to kill sex drive. The only way for you to know what's going on is the blood test coming up. I'm kind of having trouble following your notes about the cycle because it's a little all over the place but you did take tren for 14 weeks and it shuts you down hard. Give it some time and post your blood work up if you're still having issues. Get some cialis in the meantime maybe. Give everything some time and I'm sure things will get better including the personal things you've got weighing on you.

 

[Yeabuddyron]

Pct can be rough my man. It makes me feel like a winny bitch. That coupled with high stress levels and already suffering sex drive sounds like just an all around negative experience. You'll be fine body wise you did the right thing you just gotta give it time for your body to normalize. Just be careful to not overdue it on the pct or it'll make you feel even more shitty. That's one of the many sides to injecting hormones is that it can play hell on your emotional state. Good luck keep your head up and sorry to hear about your situation.

 

[The Tone]

tren for 14weeks and it shutsyou down hard..., As Eman said it definitely will shut you down hard and could take a little while to get back. but again with the stress level as it is having a nine month old selling your house, divorcing and all the other severe trauma to your mind can not be easy for you. All this also is something to do with the sex drive. again it could be all the stress!! won't know till your labs get back be patient. but know it's fixable.
I feel bad for your situation I hope everything gets better for you and have a brighter look into your lifestyle. BTW also had a terrible shut down with Tren after weeks 14 weeks pct helped but did take a little longer then usual.

 

[Hughesythelegend]

I literally am speechless, it may be the hormone imbalance lol but I am very humbled by your responses I literally was waiting for the barragement of your an idiot and don't do it if you don't know what your doing etc etc, so thank you guys so much for replying, like I said I'm not an expert and I'm not trying to be or to just try and smash my way through all and every steroid out there! (I'm not rich enough).
Thank you guys for understanding my situation and home life and I hope it is all fixable! but as you guys know your stuff in the steroid game I'm happy to hear that it could most definitely be but needs time and some relaxation! I don't think I'll use tren again I think I may fall into the category of ppl who don't like it, great while your on but hard when your off! Or maybe a smaller course!? As I said I have limited experience on this stuff and just taking snippets from all the google searches in the world doesn't help so to get responses from real Ppl who have really done this stuff has cheered me up a huge amount. I shall get my bloods done end of the month and relay the info and I'll try to man up and stop this mopping around and sort things out! I will continue on the proviron at a low 25mg dose for a few weeks to see if I have some libido left and ride the wave... Thank you all again.

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

Welcome to Meso...well that was a lot to digest.
Sounds like you are a bright guy, and have def done some research.

Was that your first cycle?
Test P/Tren A for 14 weeks + threw some Mast P and Dbol in there??

 

[Leanmeatball]

The pct you did was very moderate and short and adding proviron in the mix isn't ideal for getting your hormones back to where you want them. I'd take a few weeks off everything, and get your bloods done. If you're test levels are back up to an acceptable range I would try running another pct with both clomid and nolva.

If your levels come back fine then start planning out your next cycle.

 

[Hughesythelegend]

Sorry I know it's a lot to digest I just wanted to give details rather than just say I done gear now I'm limp as a muppet! The first course I ever did was just test for 8 weeks then after 5 weeks off I started the tren/test/mast p mix called torip 301 then because I almost ran out I switched over to excels super rip which gain was a mix of test/tren but still the same compound of test p and tren a, then halfway through the course I added dbol for a 6 week course from 25ed to 50ed. Then after te course started 1 week HCG then 1 week after that started pct of nolvadex and now proviron. Sorry if I caused confusion guys and thanks again. I know my pct probably wasn't long enough but I was including the proviron which I started Sunday when the nolvadex ran out.

 

[Eman]

It would be best to drop the proviron. Its suppressive and counterproductive to recovery.

 

[TANGO.ECHO.KILO]

the problem is your drug protocol...I can't even understand what you did. Sounds kind of like you just pinned whatever you could get your hands on for 5 months. Let's try to lay it out so somebody can understand it:

Weeks 1-8 Test (ester?) (dosage per week?)
[5weeks off] [No PCT]

(Weeks ???)Test P/Tren A /Mast P (dosage??)
(Weeks ???)Test P/Tren A/ DBOL (25mg ED bump to 50mg ED)
(Week ???) 5000iu HCG
(Weeks ???) 40/20/20 Nolva
(Weeks ???) proviron


Fill in the blanks if you can.
My first reaction would be that you started PCT way too early and only ran it 3 weeks so essentially you haven't done a proper PCT protocol in 2 back to back cycles....

 

[Eman]

the problem is your drug protocol...I can't even understand what you did. Sounds kind of like you just pinned whatever you could get your hands on for 5 months. Let's try to lay it out so somebody can understand it:

Weeks 1-8 Test (ester?) (dosage per week?)
[5weeks off] [No PCT]

(Weeks ???)Test P/Tren A /Mast P (dosage??)
(Weeks ???)Test P/Tren A/ DBOL (25mg ED bump to 50mg ED)
(Week ???) 5000iu HCG
(Weeks ???) 40/20/20 Nolva
(Weeks ???) proviron


Fill in the blanks if you can.
My first reaction would be that you started PCT way too early and only ran it 3 weeks so essentially you haven't done a proper PCT protocol in 2 back to back cycles....

Yeah the layout lost me completely... All I understood was tren 14 weeks and haven't gotten post bloods yet plus proviron was being run the way it was through PCT. Doesn't make for a smooth recovery I don't think.

 

[Hughesythelegend]

Ok guys sorry this is my first thread so I'll try to fill in the blanks...

Weeks 1-8 Test prop 1ml jab mon/wed/fri
[5weeks off] [No pct]

Weeks 1-14 Test P/tren A /Mast P mix called torip 301, 1ml EOD

Weeks 8-14 Test P/Tren A/ mix called super rip excel, 1ml EOD. DBOL (25mg ED bump to 50mg ED)

Week 15-16 5000iuhcg 1 jab 2500iu/2 jabs 1250iu

Nothing for 1 week

Week 17-20 40/20/20 nolva

Week 20 proviron 25mg ED

I hope this is written better and again apologies I'm new to this..

 

[Eman]

Stick around and you'll learn a lot on meso bud. It's a great source of support and motivation as well as knowledge. I think it would be cool to get contributions from you coming from a professional fighting background and now involved in bodybuilding.

 

[Hughesythelegend]

Stick around and you'll learn a lot on meso bud. It's a great source of support and motivation as well as knowledge. I think it would be cool to get contributions from you coming from a professional fighting background and now involved in bodybuilding.

I will most definitely be sticking around Eman you guys have made me see the light at the end of the tunnel today so thank you. I would be happy to share some knowledge coming from 9 years pro fighting and the transition into body-building as its been rather more difficult than I thought to lower training times and work rate etc. I really want to sort my libido issue out before I go back onto another course of test.

 

[Eman]

I really want to sort my libido issue out before I go back onto another course of test.

Wise move. Just keep training and eating well and things will fall back into place as far as the gear is concerned. Training and eating are better more important than the gear anyways.

 

[RodgerThat]

Ok guys sorry this is my first thread so I'll try to fill in the blanks...

Weeks 1-8 Test prop 1ml jab mon/wed/fri
[5weeks off] [No pct]

Weeks 1-14 Test P/tren A /Mast P mix called torip 301, 1ml EOD

Weeks 8-14 Test P/Tren A/ mix called super rip excel, 1ml EOD. DBOL (25mg ED bump to 50mg ED)

Week 15-16 5000iuhcg 1 jab 2500iu/2 jabs 1250iu

Nothing for 1 week

Week 17-20 40/20/20 nolva

Week 20 proviron 25mg ED

I hope this is written better and again apologies I'm new to this..

So first cycle was brutal having no pct but lived and learned second cycle your pct was too moderate for the compounds used. I would have done a clomid nolva pct at:
Clomid 75/50/50/25
Nolva 40/20/20/20
This is the standard I use for my cycles.

Scrap the proviron right now as your trying to get back to normal and adding in chemicals doesn't let you get back to normal.

As for the labido in sorry to hear about your current situation but all that stress in combined with the pct products and other things you've put in your body will stress you right off an errection. You have to balance your life now so your body can get back in balance.

And as always squat often, bench tons, deadlift heavy! These are the staples to a happy life IMHO

 

[Hughesythelegend]

So first cycle was brutal having no pct but lived and learned second cycle your pct was too moderate for the compounds used. I would have done a clomid nolva pct at:
Clomid
Nolva
This is the standard I use for my cycles.

Thanks for your reply mate, like I said I'm new to this and no matter how much you research its experience that pays off which is what I lack and I'll be honest I did not know what to do pct wise, that's why I'm in the position I am! Thanks for your standard pct it's what I needed to hear! I just hope that my healthy lifestyle will aid my recovery and I can get these mega stress issues under control it just seems to be one problem after another right now and all my cash is going on solicitor fees and things!! Again thank you all for your help.

 

[Hughesythelegend]

Than

Wise move. Just keep training and eating well and things will fall back into place as far as the gear is concerned. Training and eating are better more important than the gear anyways.

Thank you eman I hope for the fix I need comes from being healthy and getting rid of my stress...

 

[Hughesythelegend]

So I'm going to get bloods done on the 28th and work on de-stressing myself as its only been 4 weeks off a 14 week course, and wait to hear from them and I will post them up if anyone can tell me what levels I need to be looking at and at what the ideal rates are expected!? Thanks again..

 

[RodgerThat]

So I'm going to get bloods done on the 28th and work on de-stressing myself as its only been 4 weeks off a 14 week course, and wait to hear from them and I will post them up if anyone can tell me what levels I need to be looking at and at what the ideal rates are expected!? Thanks again..

E2 and TT values
You want your e2 somewhere in the 25-40 range with 34 being right in the butter zone
You want your TT somewhere between 400-1100 hopefully the same as your pre cycle bloods with an ideal being 9999 and that's why we cycle but ya anywhere around 600-800 would be great IMO