I thought Germany was a great country.

Bob Smith said:
PDP, do you deny that Canada, France and Norway are socialist nations?

Yes, Canada is clearly a capitalist nation. Bob which definition above do YOU think Canada fits into, are we more free enterprise or not? There is a very profound difference between social tendencies and socialism. The United States has a (shitty) social saftey net, but you do not call it socialist. Capitalism in an economic sense is different from a left leaning political ideology. That is why I fear some of you may have some erroneous views based on what you hear and read. When someone makes a comment about a countries "social" policies it does not make a country a socialist nation. Certainly a country such as Sweden is FAR more socisalist than Canada. However you can not unilaterally state that Canada or even Sweden is NOT capitalist.

Read my rant above. I can engage in as much free eneterprise as you, in some instances more. The invisible hand of the market (Adam Smith style) certainly rules Canada. If there seem to be some social policies here, take a look at you own backyard as well.

BTW since I have lived in the US and Canada I can tell you without a shadow of a doubt that certain provinces like ALberta are, in almost every sense of the word, more "capitalist" than most states in the US.
 
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Here is an amusing article (that I do not really agree with), It may help ya'll ... understand.... (BTW the article is sarcastic)

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As everybody knows, the United States is a mean country where dog-eat-dog capitalism reigns, where the poor die of hunger in the streets or of illnesses at the doors of hospitals whose treatments they cannot afford, and where rugged individualism is so strong that the state is not allowed to set up the social programs that would put some order in this anarchic jungle.


We in Canada on the contrary live in a gentler and kinder country where social harmony, sharing and compassion are the norm, where governments never hesitate to intervene in order to bring a measure of fairness and equality in the life of the community, and where there has always been a broad consensus on the need to keep and improve on our unique social programmes. We have to be proud of this identity as Canadians and protect it from the bad influences from the south. If only the Americans could become a bit more civilized and adopt the same values...

American imports

Well, if that's how you see things, think again. This is not the reality but only official Canadian nationalist propaganda, which we are being fed constantly by Jean Chrtien and the whole Liberal-Conservative-NDP elite. The reality is a bit more muddled. Yes, American official ideology, as expressed in the Declaration of Independence, proclaims Life, Liberty and the Pursuit of Happiness whereas we, with our mixed heritage of French and Tory Loyalist collectivisms, prefer to emphasize in our constitution Peace, Order and Good Government . But these are only slogans, and throughout the history of our countries things have not turned out that way. Not until some decades ago anyway.

This is what William Watson explains in Globalization and the Meaning of Canadian Life. This excellent book, published two years ago, deals mostly with the effects of economic globalization on countries and what kinds of policies Canada should adopt to bring prosperity to its citizens. Mr. Watson, a McGill Economics professor and columnist for the National Post and The Gazette, argues that contrary to what many globalization theorists are saying, countries are not all becoming the same and we are still free to choose what kind of government we want. But we should choose what is best for us, not what we are accustomed to choosing, or what we think our tradition requires us to choose, or, worst of all, what those south of us are not choosing.

Mr. Watson is, of course, in favour of choosing policies based on the principles of the free market and a limited government. He explains that the Canadian identity based on interventionism and protectionism is in fact a myth, and that we're certainly not distinguishing ourselves from the Americans by trying to become more socialist, since the Americans were there before. In two chapters in particular entitled The American Governmental Habit and The American Lead, he shows that new interventionist and collectivist fads in various sectors of the economy and society have usually been tried first south of the border, and only later brought in to Canada. If the perspective is so skewed today, it is because we unfortunately succumbed more than they did to the lure of tax-and-spend solutions in the second half of the 20th century and now have a federal government much bigger than theirs.

A bank and a tax

High income taxes are part of what distinguishes us from the Americans. Considering that we love so much being taxed, we surely must have implemented this form of legal robbery before the Americans did. Wrong! The USA had an income tax and a government-controlled central bank before Canada did.
(...) in the first decade of the nineteenth century, Congress had established a national bank, the Bank of the United States, a jointly owned, private-public undertaking, which, though far from fulfilling the functions of a modern national bank, was intended to help regulate currency and fiscal matters. Though in the 1830s populist President Andrew Jackson effectively stripped its successor, the Second Bank of the United States, of its ability to influence money markets, a measure of federal control was reestablished in the 1860s, while in 1913, twenty-two years before the Bank of Canada came into existence, the Federal Reserve Act gave Washington, in theory at least, as complete control over its national currency as a government may have.

Nineteen thirteen was also the year in which the Americans amended their constitution to allow for income taxation. Such a tax had been imposed on a temporary basis during the Civil War, and Congress had enacted one again in 1894, though it had subsequently been ruled unconstitutional by the Supreme Court on the grounds that it set different tax rates for different citizens, thus violating the constitution's requirement of equal treatment before the law. Our own income tax was not introduced until 1917, during the First World War. Thus, in spite of our supposedly more interventionist traditions, the allegedly anti-statist Americans had both an income tax and a central bank, two necessary accoutrements of modern big government, before we did. (p. 92-93)
Tariffs and other barriers

There are policies that we believe were instrumental in the creation of our country in the 19th century and that we think of as typically Canadian . Policies like protective tariffs and government-supported railway development are at the heart of our identity and distinguish our mode of economic development from that of the United States.We are surely the ones who invented them. Wrong! They are in fact American imports (of course, in many cases the Europeans were there even before) and have nothing particularly Canadian about them.
Another classic offence against laissez-faire doctrine is interference in international trade, whether by means of tariffs or by other trade barriers. Whatever its official ideology might ordain, the United States has always had an active and when necessary protectionist tariff policy. On July 1789, the very first economic act the new Congress undertook was to legislate tariffs to both raise revenue and restrict imports. (...)

As is always the case in trading nations, tariff policy has been source of continuing political controversy. In the United States in the nineteenth century, agrarian interests favoured free trade, while manufacturers often lobbied for protection a pattern replicated in Canada, and for the same reason: in the mid-nineteenth century British manufactures were simply too competitive. In 1854, the United States did negotiate a free trade agreement with the British North American colonies, which were prevailed on by London to agree to it, mainly for geopolitical reasons. But free trade did not last long. The Americans abrogated the Reciprocity Treaty twelve years later, after the United Province of Canada had both raised its remaining tariffs in an unfriendly way (in 1859) and been perceived as being sympathetic to the South in the Civil War. In fact, the abrogation of the Reciprocity Treaty is commonly cited as a main reason why the colonies of British North America decided, as of 1867, to form their own free trade area. With the agrarians and Democratic South prostrate after its conquest by the Union armies, the northern manufacturing interests that held sway in the Republican party were not content merely to undo previous liberalizations of trade, however. They also hiked tariffs substantially across a wide range of manufactured goods, and did so with the express purpose of encouraging American industrial development. (...)

A protective tariff was also the centrepiece of John A. Macdonald's National Policy of 1879, and it had exactly the same goals as the Republicans' tariffs: to encourage local manufacturing, raise revenue, and cement a sense of nationhood. But far from establishing Canadian uniqueness in our approach to policy, the National Policy tariff was both an imitation of and a strategic response to similarly high tariffs enacted for almost identical reasons by an at least equally activist American government. (...) Macdonald's finance minister, Leonard Tilley, went so far as to import an assistant from the U.S. Bureau of Statistics to advise him on drawing up the new Canadian tariff schedule!

The second and more celebrated leg of the National Policy was the building of a transcontinental railway, and in fact the CPR still holds mythic thrall over Canadians. (...)


The Canadian identity based on interventionism and protectionism is a myth, and we're certainly not distinguishing ourselves from the Americans by trying to become more socialist, since the Americans were there before.



It is almost certainly true that private interests would not have built the railway on their own: Private enterprise never seriously considered building the C.P.R. without the financial assistance of the government (George 1968: 741). In 1880, fewer than ten thousand Europeans lived in the Canadian northwest. Undertaking one of the world's greatest-ever construction projects to satisfy their transportation needs would have been one of the world's greatest-ever extravagances. As for a purely public railway, it was tried between 1873 and 1878 and was judged not to have worked: a royal commission reported in 1881 that the cost of the government-built portions of the railway was excessively high, partly because of widespread corruption and bid-rigging. In the end, what we think of as that uniquely Canadian amalgam private enterprise supported by public funding got the job done.

But it isn't a uniquely Canadian amalgam. The Americans thought of it first. Far from being unknown, public support for railways and before them roads and canals, was common in the United States, even if it was often provided by state and local governments, Washington generally being reluctant to participate, on the perfectly sensible grounds that financial support for merely sectional interests would lead to sectional resentments. The Erie Canal, built in the 1820s, was a mixed public-private undertaking, while between 1815 and 1860 almost 70 per cent of all canal investment in the United States was financed by public sources (Hugues 1977: 70, 71). In the new technology's first decades, government participation in railway building varied from as low as 10 per cent in the midwest, to as high as 50 per cent in the South. In total, in the years before the Civil War more than 25 percent of the total railroad capital stock ... had come from public sources ... mainly state and local governments (Hugues 1977: 72). (p. 93-97)
A Canadian New Deal

During the 1930s Great Depression, the Roosevelt Administration adopted social democratic policies and launched major public works in order to create jobs for the millions of unemployed and lessen the impact of the crisis on the poor (it didn't work of course, but only made the situation worse). This so-called New Deal must surely have been inspired by the Canadian experience, right? Wrong! New Deal policies were adopted in Canada only a few years later and were, by the way, rejected in this haven of free enterprise, the province of Quebec. Of the two countries, Canada has been the most resistant to the socialist wave sweeping the world in the first half of the 20th century, and had the least activist government until the 1950s.
(...) Canada's initial reaction to the Great Depression was also cribbed from the Americans. The immediate American response was the infamous Smoot-Hawley Tariff, a protectionist fiasco by 1932, American imports were down to 2.3 per cent of GDP which obviously made the Depression much worse: if no one could sell into the U.S. market, who could buy there? R.B. Bennett's government responded with its own protectionist offensive, boasting that it would use tariffs to blast its way into the markets of the world. The irony of Canadian anti-Americanism was never more obvious, writes the historians John Herd Thompson and Stephen Randall (1994) for these Conservative policies were the mirror images of Republican protectionism and nativism in the United States (131).

Five years later, the Bennett New Deal was indebted both in name and inspiration to Franklin Roosevelt's. Like Roosevelt's, much of it ran into difficulty in the Supreme Court. To be sure, while the U.S. Supreme Court judged many of the original New Deal's regulatory innovations to be beyond the power of any American government, our jurists merely found Ottawa's initiatives beyond the power of Canada's federal government. The effect was similarly paralytic, however. It wasn't until a constitutional amendment in 1940 that Canada had national unemployment insurance, something the United States had put in place in 1935. Nor was the almost three-fold expansion of federal spending in the United States during the 1930s, from $3.1 billion in 1928 to $8.8 billion in 1939, matched in Canada, where Ottawa's spending rose by only 70 per cent in the same ten years, from $405 million to $681 million. (...)

Nevertheless, there was eventually a Canadian New Deal, and it was intended to be radical: announcing it in January 1935, Bennett declared that it marked the end of laissez-faire (quoted in Morton 1994: 205). He wasn't the only politician with a say, however. In 1935, as we have seen, W.L. Mackenzie King, who returned to the prime ministership in October of that year, still believed in orthodox economics. In his initial reaction, he could not decide whether the Bennett New Deal was Hitlerism, Fascism or Communism (quoted in Thomson and Randall 1994: 135). Louis-Alexandre Taschereau, the Liberal premier of Quebec, was more precise, identifying it as a Socialistic venture bordering on Communism (quoted in D. Morton 1994: 207). This initial reaction persisted. (...)

The historians Thompson and Randall (1994) summarize Canadian experience in the 1930s as follows: In 1933, the United States and Canada lagged far behind western Europe in government acceptance of responsibility for individual citizens; by 1940, the United States had begun to catch up ... At the end of the 1930s, the United States was the more advanced welfare state, Canada the backward northern neighbour (134, 140). In this they echo Bruce Hutchison, who wrote in 1943: Beside pre-war Canada Britain was almost socialistic, and the New Deal of the United States was wild radicalism ... We are still a very conservative nation by the definitions of these times perhaps the most conservative nation under the democratic system in the world (90). (p. 114-116)
From the Great Society to the Just Society

Canada has a very extensive set of social programmes. Public health care, government-run pension plans, social welfare, unemployment insurance, etc., these are all the things that distinguish us from the Americans, where such services are private and those who can't afford them are simply left on the side. Wrong!! These programs were first thought out by American (and German and British) socialists, and were imported here rather late. Pearson's reforms and Trudeau's so-called Just Society scheme to expand social programs at the end of the 1960s simply copied, a few years later, Kennedy's and Johnson's Great Society plan.
(...) The reformist character of Lester Pearson's government was also shaped at least partly by events in the United States. Tom Kent editor of the Winnipeg Free Press, co-drafter of the Liberals' 1958 election platform, and later Pearson's chief policy adviser and principal secretary, a man once accused by C.D. Howe, perhaps accurately, of wanting to import Fabian socialism into Canada argues that in fact there was nothing remarkable about ... [Pearson's] policies. They embodied Canadian versions of the ideas that were in the air of a world where, for instance, [John Kenneth] Galbraith was just finishing the writing of The Affluent Society (it was published that summer) and Kennedy was preparing the presidential campaign that, in its expression of a new, forward-looking spirit, struck responses in many parts of the world besides North America (Kent 1988: 56). English (1992) puts the matter even more starkly: Canada's liberals looked southward again for the breath of new life ... In one of those fundamental shifts in American history between reform and retreat that Arthur Schlesinger, Jr., Kennedy's friend and biographer, has argued are the salient feature of American history, the liberal hour had once again struck, and the sound reverberated in Ottawa as loudly as in Washington. (238).

The hour may actually have sounded more profoundly in Washington. There was a Great Society, after all, before there was a Just Society. U.S. spending on social programs went from $77.2 billion in 1965 to $146 billion just five years later (Bnton 1985: 76). (...) For the first time in American history, writes the English historian J.R. Pole, equality became a major objective of government policy; and also for the first time ... governments not only made laws but constituted themselves instruments of egalitarian policy. (Pole 1978: 326).

(...) With the customary lag of a half-decade or so, programs such as pay and employment equity now have made their way to Canada, where the backlash against them by even such a moderate observer as journalist Richard Gwyn suggests they may also be at odds with traditional Canadian values, which in this case sound suspiciously American: Aside from being an American import, the "equality of results" doctrine that underpins employment equity programs ... has always run counter to the Canadian grain. (Gwyn 1995: 180).

Perhaps in the end Pearson and Trudeau did lead Canada further down the progressive path than Kennedy and Johnson were able to take the United States. The two countries' public expenditure figures displayed in chapter 5 certainly suggest as much. But the examples just cited put paid to the notion that the United States, in its practice as opposed to its preaching, has always been more dedicated to laissez-faire than Canada. In fact, on many important occasions in our history, we have copied their interventions whole cloth. (p. 118-120)
So, what should we conclude of all this? Answer: that the real interventionists and socialists at heart are the Americans, and that the real Canadian tradition is one of rugged individualism being slowly frittered away under the overwhelming influence of American collectivism. As Scott Reid also explains in this special issue (see LA TRADITION INDIVIDUALISTE CANADIENNE, p. 15), this is exactly the inverse of what we are told to believe.
 
PDP said:
LMFAO, so you think these countries are not categorized by "an economic system characterized by private or corporate ownership of capital goods, by investments that are determined by private decision, and by prices, production, and the distribution of goods that are determined mainly by competition in a free market"

Oh boy :eek:

"On the other hand in the US, government does not control the sale or administration of medicine or medical treatments. Rather we have many drug companies and many insurance companies who COMPETE for your patronage. I have the ability to choose which doctor I wish to see, which insurance company I want to use, and which hospital I want to go to. Of course there are always exceptions, but by and large, it's up to me. I was just referred to a neurologist (a specialist) and I had to wait 9 days for an appointment, which is much better than 17.7 weeks I'd have waited in Canada."

Wow, I'm sorry my brother but I have to say this with the utmost respect... you don't know what you are talking about... do you actually think I don;t have dozens' of insurance co's to choose from, or that I can see any doctor I wish, or which hospital I wanna go to? Or that I can open a Subway franchise anytime I wanna... or that I can go to the corner strip joint and toss money at the whore showing her shaved snatch while I drink some (better) bear... or that I can't go to my local ford dealer and buy a new Expedition and NOT pay gas guzzler tax... or that I don't have to (err my work doesn't have to) pay $120 bucks a month just for the so-called "free" medical shit we get here is canada (not including my premiums to my preceription insurer) .... like wake the fuck up! Sure Canada has some BETTER social benefits... but we are far from socialist... I am more of a capitalist than you....

LOL....you love to put words into my mouth. I never once said that you cannot go look at "snatch", open a subway, or buy a new Ford without paying gas guzzler tax....so don't play those cards.

I was simply pointing out that, with respect to 2 of the most important "goods and services" (i.e.: medicine and treatment), your great Canadian government controls these items. They have price caps on medicine because it's paid for by the government. There is no free market in these industries in Canada. there is no competition because the Canadian government has already set the prices it will pay for certain procedures.

Do you know who the "father of Canadian medicine" is?? It is Thomas C. Douglas, a SOCIALIST, who envisioned a universal health care system and implemented it as a member of the CCF. Douglas' system actually worked really well in that it attracted MORE doctors because they made more money since they were paid by the government (via TAXES).

Today however, Canada is experiencing a shortage of doctors because the money is no longer there. The canadian government has set the rates it will pay doctors, and often times this leaves the doctors with minimal income.Shortages
 
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This is the first paragraph from the following Canadian website:Canadian-Healthcare.org


Canada's health care system is a group of socialized health insurance plans that provides coverage to all Canadian citizens. It is publicly funded and administered on a provincial or territorial basis, within guidelines set by the federal government.

..here is another little snippet from that page:

Some question the efficiencies of the current system to deliver treatments in a timely fashion, and advocate adopting a private system similar to the United States. Conversely, there are worries that privatization would lead to inequalities in the health system with only the wealthy being able to afford certain treatments.


...again we go back to my original statement that on average canadians wait 17.7 weeks to see a specialist. However, rich Canadains still get medical treatment because they cross the border to the US.

I remember when Bill Clinton (he wanted to model our healthcare system after that of Canada's) had his recent heart attack and needed quadruple bypass surgery. Clinton received surgery IMMEDIATELY and it's not because he was a former president...its' because he needed it!!! My grandfather was a normal man who needed the sme operation after a heart attack....he was in surgery in less than 24 hours!!!! Anyways, after Clinton got out of the hospital, a reporter asked him to comment on the fact that if he had had his way and the US had adopted a SOCIALIZED/GOVERNMENT CONTROLLED healthcare system, he would have had to wait approximatley 6 weeks to receive surgery. He danced around the questin because he knew it was true.
 
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Kayz, why do you insist on arguing with me about things that you do not understand?

For example, do you think that someone who needs a bypass can't get one ASAP in Canada..... you need to speak to my Uncle. I can't believe you think otherwise. Sure, some elective sugery, by someone who simply relies on basic healthcare will wait... on the other hand, if you want Lipo, or a tit job you can get that within 48 hours too....!

Are you suggesting that because we have a health care system in which we pay a monthly fee into (like insurance) that Canada is NOT capitalist?

Health care is a provincial matter, it is not federal. Individual provinces have power under section 92(13) of our Constitution to legislate health care. Partial funding is another matter, but those provinces that are extremely wealthy, such as Alberta, have and most likely eventually will, go to a modified system. That is why different provinces have different systems... and why some are better than others. Health care is not free in Canada. Premiums are charged in many provinces just like an insurance scheme. My premiums are quite high. Becuase I have private insurance and I make a reasonable salary I do NOT have to wait 17 weeks to see a specialist. As a matter of fact I was referred to dermatologist 10 days ago and he called yesterday. The difference is that If I were poor in the U.S. I would have a more difficult time in getting treatment than I woudl here. In fact I know of a few people living in the US (Seattle area) who drive back to Canada to see the doctor cuz it is cheaper for them. I don't know which system is better.... that is irrelevant.

BUT, just because we have some programs here that may seem more "social" to you doesn't mean we are not cpaitalist. That is why I think you have misunderstood these concepts. These are not black and white definitions. You cannot validly say that Canada is not a capitalist country. That is 100% incorrect.

Is the U.S. not capitaist because they have Medicare? Because they have employment insurance? Because they have wellfare? Because they have social security? The list goes on and on.

I say this again, provinces like Alberta are extremely conservative and more"capitalist" (given your definition) that the vast majority of the US states...
 
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PDP said:
Kayz, why do you insist on arguing with me about things that you do not understand?

For example, do you think that someone who needs a bypass can't get one ASAP in Canada..... you need to speak to my Uncle. I can't believe you think otherwise. Sure, some elective sugery, by someone who simply relies on basic healthcare will wait... on the other hand, if you want Lipo, or a tit job you can get that within 48 hours too....!

Are you suggesting that because we have a health care system in which we pay a monthly fee into (like insurance) that Canada is NOT capitalist?

Health care is a provincial matter, it is not federal. Individual provinces have power under section 92(12) of our Constitution to legislate health care. Partial funding is another matter, but those provinces that are extremely wealthy, such as Alberta, have and most likely eventually will, go to a modified system. That is why different provinces have different systems... and why some are better than others. Health care is not free in Canada. Premiums are charged in many provinces just like an insurance scheme. My premiums are quite high. Becuase I have private insurance and I make a reasonable salary I do NOT have to wait 17 weeks to see a specialist. As a matter of fact I was referred to dermatologist 10 days ago and he called yesterday. The difference is that If I were poor in the U.S. I would have a more difficult time in getting treatment than I woudl here. In fact I know of a few people living in the US (Seattle area) who drive back to Canada to see the doctor cuz it is cheaper for them. I don't know which system is better.... that is irrelevant.

BUT, just because we have some programs here that may seem more "social" to you doesn't mean we are not cpaitalist. That is why I think you have misunderstood these concepts. These are not black and white definitions. You cannot validly say that Canada is not a capitalist country. That is 100% incorrect.

Is the U.S. not capitaist becuase they have Medicare? Becuase they have employment insurance? Becuase they have wellfare? Becuase they have social security? The list goes on and on.

I say this again, provinces like Alberta are extremely conservative and more"capitalist" (given your definition) that the vast majority of the US states...

LOL...you are the one who started arguing with me buddy. Have I ever once said that Canada "is not capitalist"??? NO, I said that their "....socialistic way of life is superior to our capitalistic society". By way of life I"m not talking saying that your government controls every aspect of your business, but I was talking about the liberal and socialistic viewpoints of your citizens and your government. Lets be real here, most Canadians feel they are better than most Americans. Canadains hate our tolerance of guns, yet they criticize us for not being tolerant of gay marriages. Those are separate issues, but it is those viewpoints (i.e: the liberal/socialistic ones) I was speaking of.Again, I'm not talking about EVERY SINGLE aspect Of Canadian or American society. I started talking about unemployment rates and you started posting all types of articles and UN based indexes showing infant mortality rates; hence, this discussion evolved to a socio-economic debate.

With respect to Canadian health care, it is based on socialism....your own government proudly admits that. Often times, Fox news and Bill O'Reilly (whom your government despises and tries to censor) have guests from Canada his show and they talk about these issues....and the arrogance and the "we are right, you are wrong" mentality is sickening to me. Canadians have zero problem blasting Americans for being "cruel, dangerous, untolerant...etc", but they fail to look at their own shortcomings.

PDP, I respect your opinions, but I do disagree with some of the things you say. But you are able to debate in an appropriate intelligent manner, and I can appreciate that.

I think both of us were misunderstanding the other.
 
Hey Kayz, You own a business in Michigan. So do I. I employ 75 people. Tell me how do you get health insurance companies in Michigan to compete for your business? For small businesses in the U.S that "competition" is a fallacy. My rates are set based on my "history". Every insurance company comes within a few dollars of the other. Depending on the plan you choose for your employees - your choice of doctor is limited by the plan you choose. If you have any ideas of how to get insurance companies to compete for my business I am all ears.
 
gageman said:
Hey Kayz, You own a business in Michigan. So do I. I employ 75 people. Tell me how do you get health insurance companies in Michigan to compete for your business? For small businesses in the U.S that "competition" is a fallacy. My rates are set based on my "history". Every insurance company comes within a few dollars of the other. Depending on the plan you choose for your employees - your choice of doctor is limited by the plan you choose. If you have any ideas of how to get insurance companies to compete for my business I am all ears.

I'm not in Michigan...and I got rid of my HMO and switched us over to a PPO. With a PPO, we do not need referrals to see specialists and we are covered by over 90% of the docs in our area (we are with Anthem, and pretty much every doctor and hospital here accpet Anthem BC/BS).

Also, you may want to look into partly privatizing your insurance. It costs our employees a few more dollars out of pocket, and I pay the difference NOT covered by insurance....and it saved me over $30K this year alone. The employees hate it because it requires a little more financial responsibility, but the alternative was NO INSURANCE at all.

And each year, we entertain "proposals" from several different insurance providers, but Anthem usually comes out on top.
 
Bob Smith said:
Beating the Street is a good book. Lynch's writing style is quite conversational and not overly technical, so its easy for non-finance people to understand it. He gives great examples of his thought process and manner of choosing companies, I just wish his books were available in a 2002-2004 edition with current companies and business climates. Either way, the principles are very good and timeless.

Overall, I think you can sum up his philosophy (and Buffett's, as well as Benjamin Graham's) as "buy the best company in the current least favorite industry." Im not sure about One Up On Wall Street, but in Beating the Street he was gung-ho about S&Ls when everyone else was against them.

May have to get into this article of finance information. Sounds interesting.
 
First of all you people see everything in black and white why does Germany have economical problems well first when they were united east Germany had big dets and now they got to pay, thats one many reasons. And what is wrong whith a socialist country in america politicians think that the money should decide your healthcare in sweden we believe that all people should have the good health care not just rich people.
 
bmass said:
First of all you people see everything in black and white why does Germany have economical problems well first when they were united east Germany had big dets and now they got to pay, thats one many reasons. And what is wrong whith a socialist country in america politicians think that the money should decide your healthcare in sweden we believe that all people should have the good health care not just rich people.

..actually I use my own money to decide what level of healthcare I receive. Like Grizz said, it's not my responsibility to pay for the healthcare of others who choose not to work.
 
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