Isis/Muslim/terrorist rant

You didn't say it but people like you who read Nazi websites, and then hide their source, don't tend to be friendly toward the Jews.

Ok so you're making assumptions then? So you have no proof and you're acting out on your emotions. I forgive you CBS. I turn the other cheek my friend.

You're right, you're making assumptions. However, working "side-by-side" is irrelevant to this discussion and proves nothing.

I can't work side by side with anyone I consider "dirty" CBS. It's relevant but I wouldn't expect you to know why.

I don't think you have any idea what I've proven because I don't think your emotions will allow you to see what's staring you in the face.

Once again, if it's not the pot calling the kettle black idk what is.
 
More crap from the lunatic fringe to which you subscribe.

Since you were obviously never taught the importance of impartiality, here's some free advice from someone who subscribes to his own lunacy once given to me: Just because something's written on the internet, it doesn't mean it's true. Now you think long and hard about that until it sinks in, CBS. You'll be the better for it and so will our friends in Bosnia.

Look, your BFF made Lookwatch!

Fairness & Accuracy In Reporting (FAIR) rankedhttp://smearcasting.com/smear_spencer.html as the second leading Islamophobe in the country, losing out the number one position to his boss and financier http://smearcasting.com/smear_horowitz.html. Former Nixon advisor http://smearcasting.com/smear_spencer.html calls out Spencer as “the principal leader…in the new academic field of Islam-bashing.” Even though Horowitz can be credited with funding the modern day online Crusade against Islam, it is Robert Spencer who fights on the online battlefield, attacking his Muslim foes and their liberal dhimmi allies. In order to bolster his credibility, Spencer and his allies not only claim that he is a scholar, but his own website touts him as “the acclaimed scholar of Islam”. Because these words are boldly emblazoned on his own site, we can only assume that he takes such claims seriously. It is thus fair game to call him to task for this.

His claims notwithstanding, Robert Spencer simply does not possess any scholarly credentials. To be seriously considered a scholar in the academic world in this day and age, one must at minimum possess some rudimentary academic education in the field in which one is claiming scholarship. In order to be considered a scholar, one must have published numerous peer-reviewed articles in reputable journals, the articles being subjected to rigorous critique by established authorities before being accepted. First year students in Ph.D. programs have published far more of such articles than Robert Spencer ever has. There is good reason for that: Spencer has published no such articles, contenting himself with reproducing work in non-academic and populist publications. Spencer does not even possess a Master’s Degree in anything related to Islam, let alone a Ph.D. and post-doctoral fellowship. Spencer does have in M.A. in the field of early Christian studies; does that make him a scholar of Christianity? If not, then why is he considered a scholar of Islam without even an M.A. in Islamic studies?

It seems that Spencer wishes to bypass the minimum of eight years of studies needed to even be considered a serious student (let alone a scholar) and wishes simply to anoint himself the title of “scholar.” It is difficult to take any of his supporters seriously when they claim someone is “the acclaimed scholar of Islam” when he does not even have a Master’s Degree in the subject. Spencer’s followers, fans, and sister sites refer to him as a “scholar” and that’s enough of a credential for him. Ahmed Rehab wrote an excellent article on theHuffington Post that succinctly sums up Robert Spencer’s (lack of) “qualifications” as a scholar:

Spencer postures himself as an “Islamic Scholar.” But unlike most people we tend to call “scholars,” Spencer did not burden himself with the traditional scholarly route that puts an emphasis on objectivity and academic rigor.

There is a good reason for this: his “scholarly” methodologies would not jive in any of our nation’s accredited PhD programs let alone a path for tenure where he would have to get his papers peer-reviewed and have his methodology checked by notable scholars for objectivity and a lack of bias (unless, of course, David Horowitz decides to build the David Horowitz Freedom University).

Spencer dismisses such criticism as follows: he is right, and all of the tenured professors of Islamic studies, with their inconvenient knack for unbiased scholarship, are wrong. After all, universities are the establishment of the left-wing liberal conspiracy.

Besides who needs peer-reviewed papers, Spencer seems content to receive rave reviews from Weasel Zippers, http://www.nicedoggie.net/2008/,http://atlasshrugs2000.typepad.com/ (Atlas Shrugs), Muslims are Terrorists, and of course, frontpagemag.com, that other gem of a creation, and bastion of objectivity, by the guy who cuts his checks.

Now, I will be the first to admit that there are plenty of problems in the Muslim world. I welcome an honest and responsible critique any day. But honest and responsible Spencer’s agenda-driven hatemongering is not. I am not not the only one to take issue with Spencer’s technique. Most objective scholars and professors of Islamic studies dismiss the guy as laughably fraudulent and amateur.

The fact that Robert Spencer posits himself as a “scholar” calls to question his credibility, and one cannot escape the conclusion that he is nothing but an intellectual huckster. Just as we would view a person as a quack for claiming to be a physician without having gone to medical school, likewise we must declare Spencer a fraud. Quite frankly, he is a boldfaced liar, for claiming to be something that he is not. His claims to scholarship ought not be taken seriously, and his title of “the acclaimed scholar of Islam” ought to be considered the epitome of hilarity.

Neither is Robert Spencer’s methodology scholarly. Because he is not accustomed to nor subjected to scholarly peer review, Spencer can use populist arguments that appeal to the layperson but not to the serious student or scholar. Ahmed Rehab explains Spencer’s basic methodology:

So let us take a quick look at the crux of Spencer’s methodology which is as disingenuous as his conclusions are sensational. In fact, it can be analogized to the three acts of a magic trick as described in the movie The Prestige.

The Set Up: Spencer and his associates scour the web for the most sensational and extreme expressions within the Muslim world. They may be related to a certain extremist interpretation of Islam, or may not even have anything to do with Islam altogether, but that won’t matter, so long as the perpetrator is a Muslim, it will do.

The Performance: Spencer then supplants his own commentary on the story which he meticulously crafts with the ultimate goal of convincing his readers that the bizarre incident in question is representative of the faith of Islam and Muslims at large. This subtle leap of faith that he hopes no one notices is the key to his magic act.

The Prestige: He can then rightly claim, with the innocence of a schoolboy, that he does not make up the material he produces, that he is merely quoting things as is, hoping no one notices that he uses the aberrant to define the normative.

Rehab’s analysis is good, but it seems necessary to add the missing element. Yes, it is true that Spencer points to the most extremist interpretations of Islam and then claims they represent the faith. But he also points to ultraconservativeinterpretations of Islam (which ought not be considered exactly synonymous with “the most extremist interpretations of Islam”) and then reinforces the authority of these interpretations by quoting texts from the classical Islamic texts. It does not matter to Spencer or his audience that these medieval texts were written hundreds of years ago; these views become the “normative” understanding of the religion. He ignores the fact that, like Judaism and Christianity, Islamic thought is not static and has developed over the last century. It is thus that a contemporary Muslim can read an ancient legal text without taking it as the Gospel truth, perhaps agreeing with it in general but disagreeing on certain points. But to Spencer, a Muslim who picks up any such book must automatically agree with it 100%, without question.

Spencer’s work involves labeling the extremist or ultraconservative views of Islam as “the real (and only) Islam” 70% of the time, and wholesale fabrication 30% of the time. This 70/30 strategy works well for him, because he can claim that he didn’t make up the 70% by quoting REAL Muslims who say such. And the remaining 30% is slipped in between the 70%, requiring an astute and informed mind to catch it. Let’s see this article of Spencer’s to see the 70/30 strategy in action. He makes two arguments on that page, as follows:

The two recent cases in which I was involved had to do with the closure of the gates of ijtihad and the arrangement of Qur’anic suras…

1. The gates of ijtihad are closed…

2. The Qur’an is arranged from the longest to the shortest chapters…

Point #1 is the 70%, and point #2 is the 30%. In point #1, Spencer claims that the “gates of ijtihad” are closed. The Arabic word ijtihad refers to the independent analysis of the Quran and Prophetic traditions. If the gate is closed, this means that Muslims are “stuck with” the traditional opinions expressed hundreds of years ago during a very intolerant time in world history. In other words, Muslims cannot reform their religion because the gates of ijtihad are closed.

To “prove” his claim, Spencer says: “Here is some material from Muslims” and then quotes a few random Muslims who said as much, linking to an Islamic website. This is how Spencer cites sources, using as authoritative even no-name random websites. For example, on p.76 of his book ThePolitically Incorrect Guide to Islam (and the Crusades), Spencer makes the following incredible claim:

…As many as 75 percent of the imprisoned women in Pakistan are, in fact, behind bars for the crime of being a victim of rape. [34]

When one flips to the back of his book, one reads that the source, footnote [34], reads:

[34] See Sisters in Islam, “Rape, Zina, and Incest,” April 6, 2000, http://www.muslimtents.com/sistersinislam/resources/sdefini.htm

The link is broken, but the site he sourced has been archived here. It’s just random website that says:

In Pakistan, it is reported that three out of four women in prison under its Hudud laws, are rape victims.

“It is reported…”? By whom? What authority? Who reported it? There is no footnote, reference, or citation given. But Spencer uses it anyways, assuming that his opponents are simply supposed to accept it because it is “your side” saying it. No academic publication would ever accept such a spurious reference. A real scholar, whose work would regularly be subjected to scholarly critique (i.e. peer-reviewed), would never even cite like such. The number 75% is truly astronomical and beyond belief. Likewise, Spencer “backs up” his claim about the gates of ijtihad by citing REAL LIFE Muslims, as if somehow quoting from “your side” will prove his statement. For example, he says:

Then there’s this from Muslim-Canada.org:

“Thus the schools of the four Imams remain intact after a thousand years have passed, and so the ‘Ulama’ recognize since the time of these Imams no Mujtahid of the first degree. Ibn Hanbal was the last….Since their Imam Qazi Khan died (A.H. 592), no one has been recognized by the Sunnis as a Mujtahid even of the third class.”

A mujtahid is someone qualified to perform ijtihad. Ahmed ibn Hanbal died in 855 AD. Qazi Khan died in 1196.

The truth is that his claim that the gates of ijtihad are closed is bogus, because there is no real such thing as “gates of ijtihad.” It’s just a phrase used, and is not a real physical thing. Some conservative elements in the Islamic world believe that the gates of ijtihad are closed, and Spencer quotes these Muslims as “proof.” But there is no dearth of Muslims who think otherwise. The gates of ijtihad are open for whoever wants them to be open, and closed for whoever wants them to be closed. Indeed, this has always been the case, with jurists who lived hundreds of years ago engaging in ijtihad. Even the conservative Hanbali jurist Ibn Taymiyya firmly believed that the gates of ijtihad were open, engaged in ijtihad, and was (and is) considered a mujtahid (one who is capable of engaging in ijtihad) of the highest order by many Muslims. And he died in 1328 A.D., more than 130 years after the passing of Qazi Khan (the imam Spencer claims was the last mujtahid “even of the third class”). Even those Islamic jurists (past and present) who say they believe that the “gates of ijtihad” are closed would (and do) often engage in ijtihad but simply call it something else; others would (and do) believe that it is closed in general (i.e. on most topics) but open for other issues.

Professor H. Patrick Glenn, in his book http://www.amazon.com/Legal-Traditions-World-Sustainable-Diversity/dp/0199205418/ref=sr_1_1?ie=UTF8&s=books&qid=1281514014&sr=8-1 (Legal Traditions of the World) (pp.203-204), wrote of the so-called “gates of ijtihad” (or “door of endeavor” as he translates it):

Of course, there never was a door, and there never was a closing (that anyone could see, or hear) but everyone can instantly seize what a closed door means. It is a silent but effective barrier, and you can never know what will be on the other side if you open it and go through. So the proponents of the closed door argue not only that God’s will has been fulfilled in existing teaching, but that the re-opening of the door would raise fundamental questions about the future direction and even identity of Islam. Yet the controversy within Islamic legal thought on this subject in the last century has been described as ‘violent.’ Some say the door should be re-opened, at least for the least precise of the Koranic injunctions; others say it is already open, or even never closed…Nobody today can say whether the shari’a, in the totality of its primary sources, is immutable.

Professor M.B. Hooker writes in his book entitledhttp://www.amazon.com/Indonesian-Islam-Contemporary-Southeast-Publications/dp/0824827589/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281514052&sr=1-1 (Indonesian Islam: Social Change through Contemporary Fatawa) (p.232):

The gate to ijtihad was opened long ago.

Perhaps a more precise statement would be that the gate of ijtihad was opened for whoever wants to view it as opened. Conservative Muslims will view it as closed, whereas less conservative Muslims will see it as opened. Conservative Muslims who repeatedly make the claim–that “the gates of ijtihad are closed and have always been closed”–must be understood to be chastising their less conservative brethren for engaging in what they view as unacceptable modernization via ijtihad. In other words, their claim is not stating that no Muslim is engaging in ijtihad, but only that no Muslim ought to engage in it or is properly authorized to do so (according to them).

Robert Spencer’s claim that the gates of ijtihad are closed is incredibly misleading and uninformed as it is completely misses out on the entire theme of the nineteenth century of Islamic thought, which was rampant with “modernist Islamic thinkers” who demanded an unfettered “opening” of the gates of ijtihad. They not only successfully opened it, they smashed it, much to the chagrin of conservative Muslims. Professor F.E. Peters mused in his bookhttp://www.amazon.com/Monotheists-Christians-Muslims-Conflict-Competition/dp/0691123721/ref=sr_1_1?s=books&ie=UTF8&qid=1281514082&sr=1-1 (The Monotheists) (V.1, p.118):

Today the gate of ijtihad seems agape rather than merely ajar.

But a Muslim said otherwise! “Your own side” said so! Such silliness cannot be tolerated in academia, and it is no surprise that Spencer could not tolerate a scholarly peer-review of his work. This, then, is Spencer’s 70%, wherein he cites extremist or ultraconservative/conservative opinions and cites them as not only the most authoritative views in Islamic thought, but the only ones. Less conservative views (especially reformist interpretations) are viewed as not being “real Islam.” Once Spencer has discounted these reformist understandings of Islam, he then disingenuously laments about why Islam is not being reformed.

Moving on to the 30%, we see Spencer’s second argument, as follows:

2. The Qur’an is arranged from the longest to the shortest chapters…

Spencer claims that aside from the very first chapter (sura), “the Qur’an is indeed arranged longest chapter to shortest.” This seems like an innocuous mistake, so why should we dwell on it? Certainly it would not be worthy of a second thought, except that he is specifically berating Dinesh D’Souza for saying otherwise. Wouldn’t Spencer have simply opened up the Quran to see if it is true or not before he responded? Instead of doing this very simple task, he looks around for “Muslim sources” that “say the same thing”. He cites http://www.islamset.com (www.islamset.com) and an article published on an oil company’s magazine (written by a random anthropologist named Geert Mommersteeg). Well, if Geert Mommersteeg the anthropologist says it, then it must be true!

The last chapter of the Quran is al-Nas, and it is 6 verses long. It is not the shortest chapter in the Quran as Spencer claims. Rather, the shortest chapter in the Quran is al-Kawthar, which is only 3 verses long. The fact that “your side” said that the last chapter is the shortest doesn’t change the fact that it isn’t. There can only be one of two possibilities: Spencer did not even open the Quran to check, in which case his “scholarship” is extremely shoddy. Or alternatively, he is guilty of academic deceit, using the “your side said it” argument to “disprove” reality. Spencer’s audience congratulates him on the fact that “he never says something of his own, but always quotes from Muslim sources.”

An even clearer proof of the 30% (and this time not an innocuous lie at all) can be seen here, where Spencer claims that the word “dhimmi” means “guilty person.” His entire chapter on “dhimmitude” used the 70/30 approach. The 70% came by quoting ultraconservative interpretations of how to treat non-Muslims, and reinforcing it by citing the views of “classical” scholars (i.e. those that diedhundreds of years ago). The 30% came by slipping in the “guilty person” fib, which Spencer hoped nobody would be astute enough to notice.

Robert Spencer is no scholar, nor is his methodology scholarly. He is a fraud, an intellectual huckster, and a sham artist. And he’s about to be exposed.

http://www.loonwatch.com/2010/08/is-robert-spencer-a-scholar/

More crap from the lunatic fringe. If Spenser's a quack, then so is the FBI and CIA for hiring him.

I find it interesting that you're so obsessed with Spenser. His article essential agreed with every word of the article you posted but you've posted pages of garbage in an attempt to discredit him.
 
More crap from the lunatic fringe. If Spenser's a quack, then so is the FBI and CIA for hiring him.

I find it interesting that you're so obsessed with Spenser. His article essential agreed with every word of the article you posted but you've posted pages of garbage in an attempt to discredit him.

Wait so the FBI and CIA have never made mistakes? Well fuck me sideways CBS that's news! I wonder if their embarrassment can be matched by his hate?
 
Secretman it is so funny that when a few posts were made pointing out Feds and MI5 up your ass you claim your not an isis supporter. They can read dumb fuck. You talk of what your allowed to do to American female detainees via rape and torture. But your not a supporter???? I bet you can't go to walmart right now without a satellite checking your groceries in the parking lot. This shit is not a game. Shame on you for bringing that to this board. Can anyone tell me what the process is for banning someone from here? We don't need this here. This place is for good people to gather knowledge about training and aas. Go be a terrorist at eroids and take the spook hackers with you. Then you could at least do something good for all the heat you brought here. Not cool man.

As cool as it would be to be a part of bringin down a potential Isis member like secretman it sucks that he is bringing heat to this forum.

If big brother is watching maybe he could see our good deeds and realize this is just a bodybuilding forum and nothing else.
 
More ad hominems. And directed at someone who agreed with your author. My goodness.

Considering your posts are littered with the same ad hominems, I have to ask:

Would you prefer if I took that as a compliment (kinda like a birds of a feather flock together thing?) or a disparaging remark (kinda like oooo mommy he called me a bad word)?
 
Considering your posts are littered with the same ad hominems, I have to ask:

Would you prefer if I took that as a compliment (kinda like a birds of a feather flock together thing?) or a disparaging remark (kinda like oooo mommy he called me a bad word)?

You answer a charge of using ad hominem with more ad hominems. Nice!
 
CAN SOMEONE WHO RUNS THIS BOARD PLEASE KICK "THESECRETMAN" OFF HERE!!! Religion is one thing supporting Terrosit acts is another. That's is so fucking disrespectful not only to the American people but to our Constitution. I don't thnlink that this person should be allowed to say he would get off by watching someone's throat getting slit. What kind of bullshit is this, this person should be banned from MESORX immidiatley and should be turned over to where he came from. The sad part is nothing will happen and I have had a lot of people in my family personally killed overseas protecting this country and here this person talks his propaganda bullshit here. You support your beliefs in the Muslim community No one fucking cares, We the AMERICAN PEOPLE LOVE THIS COUNTRY AND STAND FOR THE RED WHITE AND BLUE!! Well I sure as fuck do...sad to see we accept this in today's society...and its funny and I know I'm raving on but when 9/11 happens this country united as one and that's we should be every single day because no matter the hatred people have for each other we all live in the same country and want our freedom, and we should start acting like we appreciate it more.....SAD SAD TIME!! WHAT A SHAME...

9/11 took most of our freedom bro.
do we live in the same country?
 
That's the whole thing. The only way that society can coexist is to move forward and learn from mistakes. Isis wants to turn Muslims against Christians. What I am seeing is innocent Muslims bashing Christianity to protect Islam. Wake up!!!!!! I have friends that are Muslims and they believe in a god as rich and as pure as mine. Every Muslim here should look at the fact that these terrorists are making your religion look as if it is the work of the devil himself. Focus your hate on them. If you can't see that blaming Christians is what isis wants you to do then I don't know what to tell you.
 
Published On: Thu, Mar 19th, 2015
http://nsnbc.me/category/news/ | By http://nsnbc.me/author/christoflehmann/

US Special Forces caught red-handed in Syria
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Christof Lehmann (nsnbc) : Evidence about the presence of U.S. special forces in the Syrian town Ayn al-Arab a.k.a. Kobani emerged. Troops are guiding U.S. airstrikes as part of U.S support for the Kurdish separatist group PYD and the long-established plan to establish a Kurdish corridor.

A photo taken in Ayn al-Arab shows three U.S. soldiers. One of them “Peter” is carrying a Bushnell laser rangefinder, an instrument designed to mark targets for U.S. jets, reports http://www.aydinlikdaily.com/special-news/us-delta-force-caught-red-handed-in-syria-h374.html.


Photo courtesy of Aydinlik Daily.

The photo substantiated previous BBC interviews with U.S. soldiers who are fighting alongside the Kurdish separatist group PYD in Syria.

The photo of the three U.S. troopers also substantiates a statement by PYD spokesman Polat Can from October 14, 2014, reports Aydinlik Daily. Can admitted that a special unit in Kobani provides Kurdish fighters with the coordinates of targets which then would be relayed to“coalition forces”.

News about the presence of U.S. and allied special forces is not a novelty per se. In 2012 a senior British Whitehall official would leak to The Daily Star that http://nsnbc.me/2012/06/04/nato-special-forces-in-syria-now-official/.

Also in 2012, nsnbc international obtained http://nsnbc.me/wp-content/uploads/2012/02/special-forces-uw-tc-18-01.pdf.

A study of the document revealed that the wars on Libya, Syria and Iraq follow a detailed U.S. strategy that outlines a step-by-step subversion of a country from the assessment of a feasible, cooperative opposition to guerrilla war and regime change.


The establishment of a Kurdish State with breathing straw access to the Mediterranean. Map plottings by Major (r) Agha H. Amin.

http://nsnbc.me/2013/02/01/the-volatility-of-gas-geo-politics-and-the-greater-middle-east-an-interview-with-major-agha-h-amin-2/:

The strategic idea of NATO, is aiming at securing the northern borders of Israel against Hezbollah and the southern borders against Hamas; to eliminate the Russian naval base in the eastern Mediterranean, Syrian city of Tartous. NATO is planning to create a western strategic corridor to maintain energy-security in the case that oil supplies through the Strait of Hormuz are disrupted because of a war with Iran or otherwise… One of the first steps toward the implementation of the long-term strategic plan, is the partition of Turkey by creating separate Kurdish areas, thereby providing NATO a direct access to Russia’s soft underbelly in the Caucasus.

One of the objectives with unconventional warfare is “plausible deniability”. That is, for the U.S. government as well as for the Turkish AKP-led government with regard to its participation in the Kurdish Corridor project.

U.S.special forces have long been known for playing an active role in the invasion of Iraq with ISIS brigades.

http://nsnbc.me/2014/03/31/armenians-wake-truth-turkey-nato-behind-ethnic-cleansing-lattakia-kessab/, playing an active role in Jabhat al-Nusrah’s invasion of the predominantly Armenian – Syrian town ofhttp://nsnbc.me/tag/kessab/. The city is located inside the envisioned “Kurdish Corridor”.

The final decision for the invasion of Iraq with the help of ISIS, first to destabilize the country and then to justify the carving out of a Kurdish Northern Iraq, was according to a witness known to nsnbc international, made on http://nsnbc.me/2014/06/22/u-s-embassy-in-ankara-headquarter-for-isis-war-on-iraq-hariri-insider/.

The news about U.S. special forces in Syria is no novelty per se. The emergence of a photo that is verifiable with the help of metadata and corroborating testimony is, however, one of the first tangible pieces of evidence that supports the notion that NATO’s “Kurdish Corridor Project” is alive and kicking regardless how much the US government and Turkish AKP government “posture and position” themselves as being in disagreement.

CH/L – nsnbc 19.03.2015
 
@TyroneMoreGains....so posting something at the time I thought was funny but people are very senstitve to obviously is a relevant topic to what the person said about terrorist acts? I mean OK I posted the thread SORRY I upset this community wow didn't realize it made a huge impact but yet people can parade naked women and its one too? But that's besides the topic. America will never be the same again but it should make us stronger and see this is one of those topics where people will see it there way and I will see it my way. The only difference on my way is that I don't wanna be a communist country I live in america the land of the brave home of the free and I would like to keep it that way that's why our troops fight everyday sacrificing there lives for us...and I already see it coming it would never be a communist country.....but the fact is that look how much violence is happening right here in America, the more violence the more control the government tries to have like taking our guns away..but look I stand for my country I would die for my country to know that it mabe it made a difference but at least I have pride and love for my country..
 
@TyroneMoreGains....so posting something at the time I thought was funny but people are very senstitve to obviously is a relevant topic to what the person said about terrorist acts? I mean OK I posted the thread SORRY I upset this community wow didn't realize it made a huge impact but yet people can parade naked women and its one too? But that's besides the topic. America will never be the same again but it should make us stronger and see this is one of those topics where people will see it there way and I will see it my way. The only difference on my way is that I don't wanna be a communist country I live in america the land of the brave home of the free and I would like to keep it that way that's why our troops fight everyday sacrificing there lives for us...and I already see it coming it would never be a communist country.....but the fact is that look how much violence is happening right here in America, the more violence the more control the government tries to have like taking our guns away..but look I stand for my country I would die for my country to know that it mabe it made a difference but at least I have pride and love for my country..

That's exactly how this thread got started. Someone decided to post something highly offensive to others but funny to him. So it does have some relevance. Yes, his was much worse than posting a picture of your penis in a public forum. But still both highly offensive.
 
Can you tell us what the Israelis say when they're murdering women and children?

I can tell you what they say when they try to prevent women and children from being killed. They say "get the fuck out of Dodge!"

How do Hamas and Hezbollah warn Israeli civilians they're about to be bombed? Oh, that's right - they DON'T! Intentionally killing Israeli civilians is the WHOLE idea.

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