Joints/Tendons/Bone

[searay]

Thank jim I guess! Arrogance? I look at like others that know and call an unstopable will to never quit! A little more medical history on me! In the order they came 2 broken arms and wrist all were compound fractures and 3 quarters of my scalp torn off and reattached in a car wreck I was a passenger in that 4 people died in our car! Almost lost left hand! Broken elbow arm wrestling shattered it hung in traction for a month! Broken shoulder in a car I flipped! Broken neck in a diving accident! About was paralyzed and had the halo thing on with 4 bolts in my head! 2 neck fusions and 3 back fusions from being a construction superintendent with that same arrogance that in his mind had to outwork everyone every day! Never took 1 sick day ever! Complete right elbow tendon and muscle rupture and then pec tear when weight came down on chest! And finally left elbow complete rupture cause yes I kept benching thru pain and it blew! Im 53 years old and cause of my history have a very very high pain tolerance and no off switch! Forgot about biking myself into the dirt and got dehydrated and kidneys started shutting down and got bells palsy thru that deal! You might call it arrogance I call it an unstoppable will! Thats why I have all these guys in their 20s and 30s wanting to train with me! Cause I push! No matter what I feel like! But seriously thanks jim!

 

[geauxtiger]

I think this is a good thread. I just had surgery on my labrum. (scoped shoulder) I have been doing a lot of research on what's good and bad for rebuilding tendons and ligaments. This thread has helped me out.

 

[Dr JIM]

Well your "unstoppable will" is destined to tear another tendon, lol!

 

[searay]

Well your "unstoppable will" is destined to tear another tendon, lol!

Lol! Tried to be respectable but you really are an arrogant ass wipe arent you? Lol! Lol! What a fag!

 

[searay]

Its a real shame youre not a real doctor that we can use to ask medical questions from you without your condescending smartass attitude! I woud of enjoyed that! I dont if your some old drunk fag or just a punk! Keyboard smartass! Where im from you talk with manners or you get beat down! You tho im sure stay in a safe zone where you can get away with your bullshit! I can only imagine what you look like and im sure its hilarious! Now go on run that yap!

 

[Stretch]

Well your "unstoppable will" is destined to tear another tendon, lol!

You know where no one has ever torn a tendon Jimmy?

Online, banging on a keyboard to the tune of 3000 posts/year....stay safe brother[)]

 

[Dr JIM]

Hows those Bible sales mate?
[)]

 

[Dr JIM]

Hey Surenot I thought "you could handle it". You know what I'm referring to right?
The truth, NOT!

Go back to that gym, because your a hard ass, and rupture another tendon "it's your destiny"

[)]

 

[Michael Scally MD]

Marqueti RC, Paulino MG, Fernandes MN, de Oliveira EM, Selistre-de-Araujo HS. Tendon structural adaptations to load exercise are inhibited by anabolic androgenic steroids. Scand J Med Sci Sports. Tendon structural adaptations to load exercise are inhibited by anabolic androgenic steroids - Marqueti - 2013 - Scandinavian Journal of Medicine & Science in Sports - Wiley Online Library

The present study investigated the structural changes in the rat calcaneal tendon (CT), superficial flexor tendon (SFT), and deep flexor tendon (DFT) in response to jump exercises and anabolic androgenic steroids (AAS).

Animals were divided into four groups: sedentary, trained, AAS-treated sedentary rats, and AAS-treated trained animals. Training increased the volume density (Vv%) of blood vessels in all regions of the CT and DFT, cell Vv% in the peritendinous sheath of the proximal and distal regions of the SFT and proximal region of DFT, and cell Vv% in the tendon proper of the proximal and distal regions of the SFT and DFT.

The combination of AAS and load exercises showed little increased blood vessel Vv% at the proximal region of the CT, intermediate region of the SFT, and all regions of the DFT as opposed to an increase in adipose cell Vv% in the CT proximal region. The AAS reduced the levels of hydroxyproline in the proximal region of the DFT and in the distal region of the STF.

In conclusion, exercise promoted benefits to the adaptation of the tendons to overload. These effects were absent when load exercise was combined with AAS. The abusive consumption of AAS contributes to tendon inertness and rigidity, and increases the potential risk of injury.

 

[BBC3]

Settle down derrr Chizzszle Cheszt..! TERMS of ENDEARMENT??!? Really, you go from one extreme to the other and in one post?? You ONLY proved the point of your CHILDISHNESS with all that shit talk..

You are just gonna have to get over some things. You are over 40- YOU ARE DONE BEING A HEAVY IRON FREAK. Get over it.. The way that guys that can do this get away with it has nothing to do with drugs, steroids, good surgeons, OR LUCK. MOST LIKELY it is GENETICS... As this is what SEPARATES one hard working individual from another EQUALLY hard working individual..!!

You can stretch a rubber band a bazillion times and it will spring right back, or at least close. But pull it too hard, to far, and just ONCE - and it ain't no rubber band no more...

You make point of incidence of other folks or acquaintances which you may know or just have observed casually. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY REALLY DO, even if you THINK you are friends...! You are just creating a whole bunch of shit in your head about how YOU think YOU relate to others. Now take a look in the mirror while you hold in you hand and review the BC/BS medical invoicing history you are going to print and review. NOW pretend you are NOT YOU and someone else looking at all that - AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT PERSON....?!?

Excessive muscles are an ILLUSION servicing a need. Figure out that NEED, and then you have a starting place to figure other ways to satiate and secure it. The one thing about the gym that it DOES NOT ever seem to afford one is WISDOM. Cause its a place we go where we DON'T have to think. IRONICALLY, its THE ONLY PLACE we go and look at ourselves in the mirror and DO NOT REFLECT.

Its a real shame youre not a real doctor that we can use to ask medical questions from you without your condescending smartass attitude! I woud of enjoyed that! I dont if your some old drunk fag or just a punk! Keyboard smartass! Where im from you talk with manners or you get beat down! You tho im sure stay in a safe zone where you can get away with your bullshit! I can only imagine what you look like and im sure its hilarious! Now go on run that yap!

 

[Dr JIM]

I DON'T believe the authors conclusion is accurate WHY?

Because they are comparing JUMP exercises which require very rapid contractile changes in tendon and muscle alike to that of "those who use ASS, most of whom are BB and perform lifts at a comparatively slow pace (usually).

There is no doubt IMO rapid contractile forces greatly increase cross sectional tendon stressors which may predispose to rupture.

The point?

Perform lifts at a relatively slow pace and deliberately to avoid tendon injury!

But rest assured, AAS do NOT promote ligament or tendon "healing" on a post operative basis, PERIOD!

Jim

 

[Dr JIM]

Oh FYI great post DOC!

 

[Galileo]

DrJim what is your take on human growth hormone for joints/tendons

 

[searay]

Settle down derrr Chizzszle Cheszt..! TERMS of ENDEARMENT??!? Really, you go from one extreme to the other and in one post?? You ONLY proved the point of your CHILDISHNESS with all that shit talk..

You are just gonna have to get over some things. You are over 40- YOU ARE DONE BEING A HEAVY IRON FREAK. Get over it.. The way that guys that can do this get away with it has nothing to do with drugs, steroids, good surgeons, OR LUCK. MOST LIKELY it is GENETICS... As this is what SEPARATES one hard working individual from another EQUALLY hard working individual..!!

You can stretch a rubber band a bazillion times and it will spring right back, or at least close. But pull it too hard, to far, and just ONCE - and it ain't no rubber band no more...

You make point of incidence of other folks or acquaintances which you may know or just have observed casually. YOU DONT KNOW WHAT THE FUCK THEY REALLY DO, even if you THINK you are friends...! You are just creating a whole bunch of shit in your head about how YOU think YOU relate to others. Now take a look in the mirror while you hold in you hand and review the BC/BS medical invoicing history you are going to print and review. NOW pretend you are NOT YOU and someone else looking at all that - AND WHAT WOULD YOU SAY TO THAT PERSON....?!?

Excessive muscles are an ILLUSION servicing a need. Figure out that NEED, and then you have a starting place to figure other ways to satiate and secure it. The one thing about the gym that it DOES NOT ever seem to afford one is WISDOM. Cause its a place we go where we DON'T have to think. IRONICALLY, its THE ONLY PLACE we go and look at ourselves in the mirror and DO NOT REFLECT.

Shut up dumb fuck! You sound like another keyboard king with a big mouth and a small dick! Yeah your smart! A smart ass! What the fuck are you talking your smack about acquaintances which I may or may not know! Dumb fuck! If your talking about the gym its because its my private gym behind my house! I had it built! Treadmills, bikes, sauna, steam room, hot tub, full equipment, dumbbells, kettle bells,heavy bag, speedbag, double under bag, wrestling mats , etc! I turn down people that ask to join! A handful of the dedicated is all I want! Happens to be mostly 20s n 30s guys cause most get over 40 cant hang with us! I push hard and can be asshole like a drill instructor! Thats what they love! U dont know me asswhole keep your punk as mouth shut! U make me laugh!

 

[Dr JIM]

Nice query Sir Galileo.

I don't believe there is any debate about whether GH enhances collagenous strength it does.

This is well substantiated in patients with GIANTISM because of EXCESSIVE endogenous GH secretion and more recently with stem cell research.

Moreover the effect of GH on collagen are much more SELECTIVE than AAS, (which at present is believed to enhance skeletal muscle PS almost exclusively and as evidenced by the study posted above may in fact be deleterious especially in the post operative patient where ENHANCED perfusion is a CRITICAL component of wound healing. (Recall the study suggested AAS may decrease blood flow)

Furthermore the effects of GH on protein synthesis appear to be relatively uniform.

That is it improves protein synthesis, mitosis and subsequent reproduction in ALMOST ALL CELL LINES, including the VASCULAR system!
(FYI, It's postulated this "reproductive effect" may be responsible for the ASSOCIATION between elevated IGF levels and certain forms of cancer)

Finally GH accelerates protein synthesis by TWO mechanisms HYPERPLASIA which results in an increase in the NUMBER of cells, and HYPERTROPHY which causes the SIZE of a give cell to increase. In contradistinction the effects of AAS are the exclusive result of HYPERTROPHY.

Now why does that matter?

The possibility of maintaining "gains" are likely greatly enhanced when it is the result of HYPERPLASIA especially compared to HYPERTROPHY!

Jim

 

[BIGMESC]

I like it when the Doc makes a post I can understand
Thanks DrJim
or maybe I am getting smarter....

 

[searay]

Nice query Sir Galileo.

I don't believe there is any debate about whether GH enhances collagenous strength it does.

This is well substantiated in patients with GIANTISM because of EXCESSIVE endogenous GH secretion and more recently with stem cell research.

Moreover the effect of GH on collagen are much more SELECTIVE than AAS, (which at present is believed to enhance skeletal muscle PS almost exclusively and as evidenced by the study posted above may in fact be deleterious especially in the post operative patient where ENHANCED perfusion is a CRITICAL component of wound healing. (Recall the study suggested AAS may decrease blood flow)

Furthermore the effects of GH on protein synthesis appear to be relatively uniform.

That is it improves protein synthesis, mitosis and subsequent reproduction in ALMOST ALL CELL LINES, including the VASCULAR system!
(FYI, It's postulated this "reproductive effect" may be responsible for the ASSOCIATION between elevated IGF levels and certain forms of cancer)

Finally GH accelerates protein synthesis by TWO mechanisms HYPERPLASIA which results in an increase in the NUMBER of cells, and HYPERTROPHY which causes the SIZE of a give cell to increase. In contradistinction the effects of AAS are the exclusive result of HYPERTROPHY.

Now why does that matter?

The possibility of maintaining "gains" are likely greatly enhanced when it is the result of HYPERPLASIA especially compared to HYPERTROPHY!

Jim

Alright jim im gonna put myself on the chopping block and ask a medical question again currently on test and deca for the joints and feels great! Saturday started on gh for healing purposes and was wondering if injecting the gh at the injury area is bad idea? I was gonna wait 5-6 months post surgery before I really considered that approach! So to make sure not to infect surgery site!

 

[BBC3]

LOL- Can anyone say PSYCHOPATH...

Alright jim im gonna put myself on the chopping block and ask a medical question again currently on test and deca for the joints and feels great! Saturday started on gh for healing purposes and was wondering if injecting the gh at the injury area is bad idea? I was gonna wait 5-6 months post surgery before I really considered that approach! So to make sure not to infect surgery site!

 

[BBC3]

LOL - I think we know about all we could possibly need to at this point. Whats amazing is how effectively you are at delivering that. A RARE talent possessed by ONLY 99.9 percent of Juveniles ON Juice. Clearly you are a "PROUD MAN".! I am IMPRESSED INDEED..!

The funniest part about conversing with a person such as yourself is the SIMILARITY to CONVERSING WITH A WOMAN - And yet all that muscle on the SURFACE As soon as the subject turns to fact and reality you fight or flight. AND Again similar with big show on the outside, NO-SHOW on the inside, and nothing but SCORN and SELF-DELUSION EFFECTED. Perhaps an AI is in order...

Mouths that keep on'a runnin, make brains that keep on'a DUMMIN...! And you can save the membership special advert here. L.... O.... L.... Rolling on the floor and all that stuff too.:drooling::drama::goat:

Shut up dumb fuck! You sound like another keyboard king with a big mouth and a small dick! Yeah your smart! A smart ass! What the fuck are you talking your smack about acquaintances which I may or may not know! Dumb fuck! If your talking about the gym its because its my private gym behind my house! I had it built! Treadmills, bikes, sauna, steam room, hot tub, full equipment, dumbbells, kettle bells,heavy bag, speedbag, double under bag, wrestling mats , etc! I turn down people that ask to join! A handful of the dedicated is all I want! Happens to be mostly 20s n 30s guys cause most get over 40 cant hang with us! I push hard and can be asshole like a drill instructor! Thats what they love! U dont know me asswhole keep your punk as mouth shut! U make me laugh!

 

[Dr JIM]

Nuts!