I said that they do help my total. That's why I do them.
FWIW, neither are present in any popular PL program I've seen published in years. I'm simply attempting to be helpful, especially to the novice who might think that the latest meathead-turned-sport-science-guru has got the market cornered on effective exercises. I'd also like to hear about movements anyone else has found effective that aren't present in every log on the web.
That you didn't care to read what I wrote but were magnanimous enough to comment anyway probably means that you already know everything, so just tell me where to buy your book and I won't bother you again.
It's ironic bc I actually did read your post but you must have forgotten what you wrote, and I'll quote it:
"but out of favor stuff
that isn't supposed to help PL totals but work for you."
Can you see the red? Did you forget you wrote that part? I'm asking why you don't think those lifts would help your total? You don't see how what you wrote was ambiguous at best? You can buy my e-book from your phone's App Store. It's only $19.95 and I'll personally autograph it for you.
All the nonsense aside, Sheiko, JTS, RTS, Westside, Cube Method, Texas Method, dan Green, Russian and eastern bloc methods, and many more use front squats as either a main lift or accessory lift. They even use front squat variants like paused front squats, box front squats, and belt less front squats to build their competition squat. I'm not sure where or why you haven't seen them listed bc I do regularly.
As to power cleans, not many advocate them you're right. Rippetoe is probably the biggest proponent for them for powerlifting. He believes they teach you explosiveness the dynamic effort cannot teach. I have done them in the past and loved them. One of my favorite lifts but unfortunately for myself and many others mobility issues precludes cleans from are lift selection. I'm working on changing that but it's a slow process.
I never questioned your motives or thought you were trying to be anything other than helpful. The way you jumped on me for asking a simple question to gauge your thought process bc of the ambiguity in your post is telling. I'm the first to admit I don't know everything. I don't want to either. I want to keep learning. I love powerlifting and strength training. Spend more time here, I see you joined Sunday, and you'll see I love talking about anything to do with these topics.
We started off on the wrong foot and I will gladly start again on the right one. I am docd187123. It's nice to meet you UncleB. I too am an avid strength lifter and follow the sport of powerlifting as well as compete in it
