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Morefyah : Low Dosing The Kitchen Sink Log

JackSmooth said:
That's is something I hope to never see come out of my body. All caught up now. Makes me think twice about trying DHB. You noticed any benefit from it through all the negatives it caused?
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Nah man no benefits at only five weeks.
I’ll never use it again unless Il can find some Raws of DHB acetate. I’d like to try it as a transdermal. No pip! :p
 
Day 59
Lower Body Power Day

Dead lifts
12 X 185
10 X 220
8 X 260
5 X 280

Squats
12 X 135
10 X 185
8 X 205
5 X 225

Kettle Squats
10 X 140
12 X 120
15 X 100

Leg Press
20 X 10 plates
15 X 14 plates
15 X 16 plates
15 X 18 plates

Standing Calf Raises
12 X 310
12 X 330
12 X 350
10 X 370

Leg Extensions
12 X 165
12 X 180
12 X 190
10 X 210

Seated Leg Curls
15 X 55
12 X 65
10 X 75
8 X 85

Seated Calf Raises
20 X 70
20 X 70
20 X 70
30 X 45
30 X 45

Tomorrow is and off day.
Added a few other random exercises

Seated Barbell Shoulder Press
15 X 95
12 X 105
10 X 115
10 X 135

Pec Dec Fly Machine-(pause and squeeze)
15 X 85
15 X 105
12 X 115
10 X 125

Chest Press machine- (seated)
15 X 110
12 X 130
10 X 150
10 X 170

One Arm Cable Push Downs
20 X 15
15 x 20
12 X 25

Another good day and even added a couple auxiliary exercises that I haven’t done in a while. I work both jobs tomorrow so it’s an off day from the gym. I should hopefully recover nicely and be ready to crush Shoulder and Back hypertrophy day on Friday.
 
You are looking great, man - Keep up the good work!

I was curious if the diet you shared early on is basically what you repeat every day or if you switch it up day to day...if you switch it up I would love to hear what you eat over the course of a week or so as a vegetarian. I was amazed by your protein intake as a vegetarian - were you able to get up there as a vegan too?
 
Day 61
Back and Shoulder Hypertrophy Day

Crashed E2 again..
I felt so lethargic and sore all day!
I was closing my eyes in between sets.

Pendlay Rows
5 X 135
5 X 135
5 X 135

Weighted Pull Ups
8 X +25lbs
8 X +25lbs
8 X +25lbs

Rack Chins
1 X 12
1 X 12
1 X 12

Close Grip Cable Pull Downs
12 X 100
12 X 120
12 X 160
10 X 180

Seated Cable Rows
12 X 120
12 X 140
12 X 160
12 X 180

One Arm Dumbell Rows
12 X 75
12 X 85
12 X 95

Seated Dumbell Shoulder Press
12 X 75
12 X 75
12 X 75
15 X 65

Seated Dumbell Arnold Press
15 X 65
12 X 60
15 X 55
20 X 45

Up Right Rows
12 X 65
12 X 65
12 X 65

Seated Incline Hammer Curls
12 X 45
10 X 40
10 X 35
15 X 30

Seated Dumbell Side Lat Raises
15 X 12.5
12 X 15
12 X 15
10 X 17.5

So tired I’m glad I was able to power thru!
Today’s workout was ok considering I crashed my E2, though kinda on purpose. I’ve been dealing with a gyno flare the last 3 weeks. As I mentioned about a week ago it’s old and comes and goes when on blast and usually completely dissipates once back on cruise. No pain, no swelling, no itchiness. I pretty much crushed it again using some RC Letro and Ralox. Also just picked up some pharma Ralox to hopefully seal the deal this last month of my blast. The only aromatizing compounds I have been using is 300mg Test and 375mg of NPP, luckily enough I wasn’t dumb enough to follow the new trend of no AI until you have symptoms or this could have been worse. With these low dosages even 1mg of adex a week wasn’t enough. Don’t run a AI until you have symptoms my ass!! Better safe then sorry..
 
Morefyah said:
Day 61
Back and Shoulder Hypertrophy Day

Crashed E2 again..
I felt so lethargic and sore all day!
I was closing my eyes in between sets.

Pendlay Rows
5 X 135
5 X 135
5 X 135

Weighted Pull Ups
8 X +25lbs
8 X +25lbs
8 X +25lbs

Rack Chins
1 X 12
1 X 12
1 X 12

Close Grip Cable Pull Downs
12 X 100
12 X 120
12 X 160
10 X 180

Seated Cable Rows
12 X 120
12 X 140
12 X 160
12 X 180

One Arm Dumbell Rows
12 X 75
12 X 85
12 X 95

Seated Dumbell Shoulder Press
12 X 75
12 X 75
12 X 75
15 X 65

Seated Dumbell Arnold Press
15 X 65
12 X 60
15 X 55
20 X 45

Up Right Rows
12 X 65
12 X 65
12 X 65

Seated Incline Hammer Curls
12 X 45
10 X 40
10 X 35
15 X 30

Seated Dumbell Side Lat Raises
15 X 12.5
12 X 15
12 X 15
10 X 17.5

So tired I’m glad I was able to power thru!
Today’s workout was ok considering I crashed my E2, though kinda on purpose. I’ve been dealing with a gyno flare the last 3 weeks. As I mentioned about a week ago it’s old and comes and goes when on blast and usually completely dissipates once back on cruise. No pain, no swelling, no itchiness. I pretty much crushed it again using some RC Letro and Ralox. Also just picked up some pharma Ralox to hopefully seal the deal this last month of my blast. The only aromatizing compounds I have been using is 300mg Test and 375mg of NPP, luckily enough I wasn’t dumb enough to follow the new trend of no AI until you have symptoms or this could have been worse. With these low dosages even 1mg of adex a week wasn’t enough. Don’t run a AI until you have symptoms my ass!! Better safe then sorry..
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Dammmnnnn boyy that's a lot of volume lol. Nice job - hope you can get yourself to a comfortable E2/Test for the remainder of the cycle. Keep it up!
 
Morefyah said:
Day 61
Back and Shoulder Hypertrophy Day

Crashed E2 again..
I felt so lethargic and sore all day!
I was closing my eyes in between sets.

Pendlay Rows
5 X 135
5 X 135
5 X 135

Weighted Pull Ups
8 X +25lbs
8 X +25lbs
8 X +25lbs

Rack Chins
1 X 12
1 X 12
1 X 12

Close Grip Cable Pull Downs
12 X 100
12 X 120
12 X 160
10 X 180

Seated Cable Rows
12 X 120
12 X 140
12 X 160
12 X 180

One Arm Dumbell Rows
12 X 75
12 X 85
12 X 95

Seated Dumbell Shoulder Press
12 X 75
12 X 75
12 X 75
15 X 65

Seated Dumbell Arnold Press
15 X 65
12 X 60
15 X 55
20 X 45

Up Right Rows
12 X 65
12 X 65
12 X 65

Seated Incline Hammer Curls
12 X 45
10 X 40
10 X 35
15 X 30

Seated Dumbell Side Lat Raises
15 X 12.5
12 X 15
12 X 15
10 X 17.5

So tired I’m glad I was able to power thru!
Today’s workout was ok considering I crashed my E2, though kinda on purpose. I’ve been dealing with a gyno flare the last 3 weeks. As I mentioned about a week ago it’s old and comes and goes when on blast and usually completely dissipates once back on cruise. No pain, no swelling, no itchiness. I pretty much crushed it again using some RC Letro and Ralox. Also just picked up some pharma Ralox to hopefully seal the deal this last month of my blast. The only aromatizing compounds I have been using is 300mg Test and 375mg of NPP, luckily enough I wasn’t dumb enough to follow the new trend of no AI until you have symptoms or this could have been worse. With these low dosages even 1mg of adex a week wasn’t enough. Don’t run a AI until you have symptoms my ass!! Better safe then sorry..
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Solid as always! Does your connective tissue hurt when you crash e2? I know mine did last year when my test was 3600 and e2 was 8.

AI is so different for everyone. I take 0.5mg e3d just on my 200mg TRT. Usually increased to EOD on blast. Personally I like my e2 in the high 30s and those doses do it for me.
 
DrankSlangin said:
Solid as always! Does your connective tissue hurt when you crash e2? I know mine did last year when my test was 3600 and e2 was 8.

AI is so different for everyone. I take 0.5mg e3d just on my 200mg TRT. Usually increased to EOD on blast. Personally I like my e2 in the high 30s and those doses do it for me.
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Yeah man that’s a good way to describe it as far a joints go. I agree everyone is different when it comes to using an AI. Its funny because most people’s biggest fear is sexual dis function and raising bad cholesterol? My labido is still on point even though my E2 is in the gutter. I have mentioned before that bad joints and cognitive function is what really takes a hit.
Extreme lethargy, brain fog sucks.

I don’t get that people will bitch about the sexual dis function and HDL and they don’t even want to run 0.5 mg of adex. Though they’ll run 700mg of Tren wk and 100mg of Anadrol. This makes no sense to me? Preventing gyno is a lot more pro active that trying to rid it after its formed with other drugs like Serms or even worse caber.
I will always still use some form AI.
 
Morefyah said:
Yeah man that’s a good way to describe it as far a joints go. I agree everyone is different when it comes to using an AI. Its funny because most people’s biggest fear is sexual dis function and raising bad cholesterol? My labido is still on point even though my E2 is in the gutter. I have mentioned before that bad joints and cognitive function is what really takes a hit.
Extreme lethargy, brain fog sucks.

I don’t get that people will bitch about the sexual dis function and HDL and they don’t even want to run 0.5 mg of adex. Though they’ll run 700mg of Tren wk and 100mg of Anadrol. This makes no sense to me? Preventing gyno is a lot more pro active that trying to rid it after its formed with other drugs like Serms or even worse caber.
I will always still use some form AI.
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Totally agree. Many people don’t realize a lot of the bad health risks associated with AAS come from elevated e2. And not to mention the sides from caber, what a waste.

My libido seems fine whether or not e2 is dialed in, although orgasms seem weaker with low e2 and erection quality may be a little worse with high e2 for me. So really for me AIs help me perform better sexually by keeping e2 in my sweet spot.
 
DrankSlangin said:
Totally agree. Many people don’t realize a lot of the bad health risks associated with AAS come from elevated e2. And not to mention the sides from caber, what a waste.

My libido seems fine whether or not e2 is dialed in, although orgasms seem weaker with low e2 and erection quality may be a little worse with high e2 for me. So really for me AIs help me perform better sexually by keeping e2 in my sweet spot.
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100% agree with the elevated E2 being a much bigger health risk than elevated test; I also think that really low E2 is a bigger health risk than elevated test with a correct ratio of E2. My first couple of cycles I definitely overused AIs and I didn't get the level of results I wanted but I also never had the really rough side effects people talk about (joint pain, severe fatigue, etc.). However, the bloods showed it to be the case. Since then, I am really cautious with the AIs - I won't wait until symptoms appear but I do my best to control it with diet and not take more than 1 mg Adex per week. Currently I'm on 625mg Sust with between .5 and 1 mg Adex per week depending on how I am feeling and if I see any excess water retention start to develop. It is a tough balance to attain though - its just so damn unpredictable sometimes.
 
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I agree with all three of you guys on this subject. I had mentioned to @Morefyah i accidentally crashed my e2 a few weeks back. I had started to see signs in my left nip so I use liquid letro and boy did I fuck Up dosing it and of course didn’t realize until after the fact. For a solid 4 days I legit has absolutely no energy from morning to night. Brain was completely fogged and felt like a damn zombie. If I sat still for a few minutes I’d be asleep haha. First time I’ve ever screwed up like that. Normally .5mg of adex 2-3 times a week works well for awhile. But, normally when tren comes into play I have to up the dose or start taking it daily. Haven’t had any issues with NPP or even moderate test. It’s always with the damn tren. A bit of e2 as we all know is beneficial for our final product of our cycle and to add I believe I feel a hell of a lot better with it not staying extremely low as well too. I’m not a fan of caber. I’ve never needed it and hope I never do. Like @Jackreature said it’s hit or miss. We don’t consistently run the same compounds let alone the same doses cycle after cycle to stay completely dialed in and if your not getting blood work done or never have good luck. It’s literally rolling the dice.
 
FourOneDeuxFitt said:
I agree with all three of you guys on this subject. I had mentioned to @Morefyah i accidentally crashed my e2 a few weeks back. I had started to see signs in my left nip so I use liquid letro and boy did I fuck Up dosing it and of course didn’t realize until after the fact. For a solid 4 days I legit has absolutely no energy from morning to night. Brain was completely fogged and felt like a damn zombie. If I sat still for a few minutes I’d be asleep haha. First time I’ve ever screwed up like that. Normally .5mg of adex 2-3 times a week works well for awhile. But, normally when tren comes into play I have to up the dose or start taking it daily. Haven’t had any issues with NPP or even moderate test. It’s always with the damn tren. A bit of e2 as we all know is beneficial for our final product of our cycle and to add I believe I feel a hell of a lot better with it not staying extremely low as well too. I’m not a fan of caber. I’ve never needed it and hope I never do. Like @Jackreature said it’s hit or miss. We don’t consistently run the same compounds let alone the same doses cycle after cycle to stay completely dialed in and if your not getting blood work done or never have good luck. It’s literally rolling the dice.
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What makes it even more fucked up is that our bodies are never the same either - so even if we ran the same compound(s) at the same dose with the exact same diet, etc. etc. etc. we could still need more or less AI. For me, its really become something that's forced me to learn how to be more in tune with my body on a daily, even hourly, basis. That is the only way I can manage it close to appropriately but sometimes a few days go by and I haven't thought about it much cause, ya know, life happens and I look down and I'm developing cankles lol.
 
Jackreature said:
100% agree with the elevated E2 being a much bigger health risk than elevated test; I also think that really low E2 is a bigger health risk than elevated test with a correct ratio of E2. My first couple of cycles I definitely overused AIs and I didn't get the level of results I wanted but I also never had the really rough side effects people talk about (joint pain, severe fatigue, etc.). However, the bloods showed it to be the case. Since then, I am really cautious with the AIs - I won't wait until symptoms appear but I do my best to control it with diet and not take more than 1 mg Adex per week. Currently I'm on 625mg Sust with between .5 and 1 mg Adex per week depending on how I am feeling and if I see any excess water retention start to develop. It is a tough balance to attain though - its just so damn unpredictable sometimes.
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Very well said, I agree 100%. Another reason why blood testing is so critical. AIs are strong as fuck and dosing can vary wildly from person to person. Definitely affects gains but more importantly affects health risks.
 
Day 63
Chest And Arms Hypertrophy Day

Flat Dumbell Bench Press
10 X 80
10 X 85
8 X 90
8 X 95
8 X 100

Incline Dumbell Bench Press
75 X 10
70 X 12
65 X 12
60 X 15

Low Incline Dumbell Bench Press (Hammer)
10 X 65 (Grip)
12 X 60
12 X 55
15 X 50

Seated Dumbell Shoulder Press
10 X 75
12 X 70
15 X 65
15 X 60

Weighted Chest Dips
15 X +25lbs
10 X +30lbs
10 X +35lbs
10 X +40lbs

Cambered Bar Preacher Curls
12 X 75
12 X 75
12 X 75

Incline Seated Hammer Curls
10 X 45
12 X 40
15 X 35
20 X 30

Seated Incline Cable Fly’s (pause/squeeze)
10 X 35
12 X 30
15 X 25
20 X 20

Seated Incline Cable Curls (pause/squeeze)
12 X 35
12 X 30
12 X 25
15 X 20

Seated Tricep Extension
10 X 85
12 X 80
12 X 75
15 X 70

Cable Rope Push Downs
12 x 55
12 X 45
15 X 40
20 X 35

Short Bar Reverse Grip Tricep Push Downs
12 X 45
15 X 40
15 X 35
20 X 30

One Arm Cable Kick Backs
10 X 25
12 X 20
15 X 20
20 X 15

My E2 was in the dirt yesterday. I was so sore and lethargic, all I wanted to do was sleep. So I had to skip leg day. On top of that I also had a crazy night at work and didn’t get home until 5:00am. I didn’t sleep for shit and still felt like my E2 was way low when I woke up. Thanks god for caffeine!!

I didn’t get motivated to go to the gym until around 5:00pm, but I made it and ended up have a pretty productive workout. I might make up my lost leg day tomorrow, which is usually an off day. Or not! ;)
 
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