plymouth city
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Its starting right at you
With an LH that high, healthy testicals should be cranking out Testosterone like a Motley Crue in the 80's
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Its starting right at you
With an LH that high, healthy testicals should be cranking out Testosterone like a Motley Crue in the 80's
Yah but, the older you get the less sensitive the leydig cells are to LH, so when you get older your levels will be higher yet testosteorne wont be high.
Large amounts of Vitamin E can help this some, it is good for those leydig cells.
Large amounts of Vitamin E can help this some, it is good for those leydig cells.
Forget the Testosterone bioavailable, that calculator is not giving good values for it.
But it works for FreeT.
you have
FreeT=9.05 ng/dL=90.5pg/mL
As far as I know you need to have FreeT=160 pg/mL
so you are missing a lot.
That is when natural or possibly on HCG only.
When you start supplementing T externally the bar rises to
FreeT (250-300)
with your SHBG=26
you should go for
160-170 mg/week
and then retest.
no sense of starting any lower than that.
Your high ferritin may throw some monkey wrench into this system.
Check Hematocrit
plus many other things.
I am sure testing at Genova would shed some more light.
Who did your oganic acid testing?
How did you checked for copper.
I had a story about my copper.
Quest test shows too much copper.
Genova shows defficiency.
He's only 41, give or take. But perhaps the prohormones did harm to the Leydig cells. That LH is high for the TT. Something seems wrong. Seems like he needs T.
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Hi hackskii
From all the symptoms of Hypogonadism, the only one I fee is low energy after 5pm... As far as sex, I can honestly say that I'm good in this department. Sometimes I cum faster than desired but the crazy thing is that even after orgasm, my erection remains hard and I can resume and finish up the job for my wife. Take a while for my erection to subside. Other times (like two days ago), I seem to keep going forever it seems like and hold off on the orgasm till needed. Morning woods happen whenever I don't have an orgasm the night before. All that with my low levels above.... There are many guys who have trouble in this department even while on TRT and their testosterone is of 17 year old kid.... so go figure...
My concern is my very low E2 and the potential cardiac trouble associated with it. Yes,things may be fine and dandy now.... but who knows what will happen in the future if I don't take care of it.
Other potential issues associated with low T is also a big concern... The guys on this board post many articles and research associated with potential future trouble including early death... I am constantly reminded with these troubles and it scares the hell out of me... So. It's not all about Sex...
I don't know.... I'm at conflict really... On one hand, I don't want the life-long dependency (on the meds and the inadequate health system) and I'm only 41; on the other; I want to be and remain healthy and enjoy my life.
While working with Dr. John to figure out the ferritin issue and try a few more things, I may end up on TRT again once he runs out of tricks off his sleeve.
It's been a year and a half already.... and my nuts are lagging behind and it's upsetting to tell the truth... But, I am begining to accept this reality.
It's upsetting to write that I may have failed at my efforts here.....
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plymouth city
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Duh
That obviously means hypogonadism is a slow process
And it also means one needs to correct it. We don't have any other means right now other than adding outside T
plymouth city
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1/3 of the population over 30
1/2 over 50
Those are the facts, per Dr John
Throw in AAS use
Plus he is a ex athlete(BB). They are very likely to be hypogonadal at a younger age.
They blow out LH like a junkie exercising
Testes become desenitized
I can explain this process in much greater detail if you want me too
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I'm not sure I fully agree - you definately could be right, although there are other factors in play with testicle sensitivity... bigAK - what was your last thyroid results ?
Hi coz.
Here are my results from last year on 11/29/2006.. I am not sure what they are now a days..
T4, Free (Direct) ------- 1.04 --------- (0.61 - 1.76)
TSH --------- 3.193 -------- (0.350 - 5.500)
Triiodothyronine, Free, Serum -- 3.1 --- (2.3 - 4.2)
IGF-1 ---------188 ------ (109 - 284)
I have mentioned thyroid/adrenal issues to Dr. John, but he dismissed my notion and said I'm normal.
Currently I'm thinking over the fact that my high ferritin could be a cause for my low test.. but, to be honest, I am beginning to give up on this fight.... Seeing my LH at 6.2 and my total T at 376 still after a year and a half only make me want to give up the fight... Maybe I just messed myself up for good using the AAS. It sure sucks big time... I'm running out of tricks short of new testicles implants.. It just seems like my nuts are not cranking up enough testosterone.
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not sure what's next.....
maybe TRT ...
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I suggest that you do thise two tests and keep them for the record.
Estradiol, Free, LC/MS/MS (36169X)
Dihydrotestosterone, Free, Serum (36168X)
My even pay to do them twice, on weakly intervals.
I think that sex is highly dependent on e2 and also DHT levels.
And, most likely there are personal optimum levels.
If you ever start supplementing with T the e2 and DHT settings will come handy
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You will have a good goal settings that you could aim for, latter on.
Your thyroid looks low to me, TSH is over 3 & your Free T3 is only 3.1. I think Dr M starts treating thyroid at 3.1 or lower. How are you body temps ?
plymouth city
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Really?
Perhaps you need to take a look at this article
Long-Term Effects of (Natural) Bodybuilding on Testosterone Levels - MESO-Rx
Is bodybuilding good for your testosterone? In bodybuilding, we are told that our workouts should not last more than 45 minutes! Why? Because past this 45
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Come on Coz, you should know better than to doubt me by now
I doubt even trained medical professionals have all the answers, or there wouldn't be so many sick guys looking to get better ...
A hypothesis from one study on sprinters is hardly fact as to the cause of BigAk's issues.
A hypothesis from one study on sprinters is hardly fact as to the cause of BigAk's issues.
Really?
Perhaps you need to take a look at this article
Long-Term Effects of (Natural) Bodybuilding on Testosterone Levels - MESO-Rx
Is bodybuilding good for your testosterone? In bodybuilding, we are told that our workouts should not last more than 45 minutes! Why? Because past this 45
Come on Coz, you should know better than to doubt me by now
Wow... So basically my kick ass leg squats workout from yesterday did me more harm than good hormonally wise??? I find this hard to believe... If it's really true, this sucks big time. All this time, I thought my squats are helping me produce more testosterone!!!!
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Yes.. I had a discussion with Dr. Crisler about my TSH over 3, he said he won't be alarmed until it's way over that range...
I have not measured my body temps.. But, I can surely say that I was a lot warmer when I was on HRT... I used to easily sweat and liked cold showers in the summer.... For example, the lady who cuts my hair regularly, she'd wash my hair in the sink. when I was on TRT, I always requested cold water and it always felt awesome in any season. Now, without TRT, I have noticed that I can't stand cold water cause it's too cold. She even thought it was weird how I changed last year.
In the gym, I used to sweat so easily ... Now, I can go through a whole workout with minimal sweat. Same thing with my hair and skin, I used to have to wash my hair every day due to oil... Now, I can literally go 5 days without needing to wash my hair... (I still take showers regularly... don't worry..haha)...
I guess.. I am trying to show how different I've become in many aspects due to my new natural low testosterone levels. There are many other differences I can talk about...
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