My PCT Journal to kickstart HPTA post HRT

[hackskii]

Well testicular function for recovery is very important.
Otherwise the nuts just wont accept LH and FSH for test production like they should.
This is the whole reason Scally suggests blood work twards the end of HCG to tell you if you have full testicular function, then the nuts can accept LH and FSH like they should.

 

[BigAk]

Well testicular function for recovery is very important.
Otherwise the nuts just wont accept LH and FSH for test production like they should.
This is the whole reason Scally suggests blood work twards the end of HCG to tell you if you have full testicular function, then the nuts can accept LH and FSH like they should.

Yup... It makes perfect sense to do blood work towards the end of HCG. That's why I have scheduled one this week.

 

[hackskii]

Cool, this will tell you alot.
This way if you are low you will still need to regain function.
If you are at the high end or mid range then you can stop the HCG and continue with the clomid and nolva.

 

[novice]

I couldnt agree with eeso and the rest of you guys more. Since starting TRT my dick is also unpredictable. One minute sexual func is awesome, the next day may be a day with complete ED. I have been following Dr. Shippen, and he has some interesting approaches to treat guys like myself who messed with steroids. I have been on TRT for one year, and used HCG the entire time, but am very concerned about being able to restart my pituitary gland. Not sure if it will even be possible:-/

 

[hackskii]

I have been on TRT for one year, and used HCG the entire time, but am very concerned about being able to restart my pituitary gland. Not sure if it will even be possible:-/

You never know till you try.

Scally told me he has treated thousands of men for recovery and only a few didnt respond.
So, looking at the odds, that is better than the lottery and the horse races combined[)]
New smiley, I like the colors.

Anyway, I was on for a year TRT too before I decided to make a recovery.

 

[colewave]

hackskii, did you have some thoughts on how to adjust this PCT for also dealing with gyno along the way? you said earlier you might.

 

[hackskii]

hackskii, did you have some thoughts on how to adjust this PCT for also dealing with gyno along the way? you said earlier you might.

I would really be surprised that 20mg of nolva and 100mg of clomid being in the mix would not ward off gyno.

I really dont see how gyno could be an issue.
Both clomid and nolva are anti-estrogens, in the way it binds to the estrogen receptors.

Are you getting gyno, or are you just worried about it?

 

[BigAk]

Day 13:

Pop quiz feeling most of the day hovered over me.... not sure why... maybe because I am somewhat anxious about getting my blood work tomorrow. At some points I was on the verge of anxiety; especially after I've learned about a story of a friend who's had a bad experience from a 50mg/day dose. I'm taking a 100mg/day. I know that the way I'm feeling could be because of the Clomid but I'm not sure. For instance; two days ago, I felt horrible all day. I'm basically an emotional roller coaster... One hour, I'm anxious, another I'm down, another I'm tired and hungry with no appetite, and at some point I'm feeling just fine. I'm not even half way there, it's only day 13..

Libido is very minimal; however, I can invoke it with not much trouble.... But, most of the time I just don't feel like it.

Energy was up all day up to around 8PM... I just felt very tired tonight... not sure why.... probably because I spent too much energy getting anxious about stuff.

Anyway.. I'm scheculed for bloodwork tomorrow morning. I pray the results will be very positive.

 

[theiceman13]

Good luck on your bloodowork bro, are you getting any morning wood improvements?

 

[hackskii]

Clomid for some can be emotional.

 

[BigAk]

Clomid for some can be emotional.

Yeah... I hate it.. Do you think it would be a good idea to drop my dose to 50mg/day starting day 16?? Many other protocols have utilized 50mg/day successfully.

 

[BigAk]

Good luck on your bloodowork bro, are you getting any morning wood improvements?

Morning wood has disappeared since I dropped down my HCG dosage... Who knows what's happening... I can't wait to get the blood work results from this morning.

 

[hackskii]

Morning wood has disappeared since I dropped down my HCG dosage... Who knows what's happening... I can't wait to get the blood work results from this morning.

If it is low then dropping it would not be the best approach.

 

[pmgamer18]

Morning wood has disappeared since I dropped down my HCG dosage... Who knows what's happening... I can't wait to get the blood work results from this morning.

I feel it is your E2 going down to low what are you on that can lower this. HCG will make or keep it on the higher side. When my E2 is go low I can't get it up on a pill. It to me is as bad as being to high I can still get wood with E2 at 50.

 

[BigAk]

Day 14:

Today has been an easier day on me in terms of anxiety and pop quiz feeling. It probably has to do with the fact that I have done my blood work this morning. Now it's a waiting game. Supposedly, my last shot of HCG is supposed to be this Wednesday according to the protocol. The lab tech said I should have the results by Thursday. I am praying that my levels would be up and adequate for me to leave the HCG and resume with the serms.

Although I have not had the AM wood since I dropped my hcg dose from 2500iu, erection is still obtainable and libido can be invoked if needed. However, libido has not been knocking on my door by itself. I think it's fair to contribute the low libido to the serms and the anxiety they've been causing.

I am contemplating on reducing my dose of clomid to 75mg/day depending on how the bloodwork looks. No decision made yet.

Again. Today has been sunny for me and my energy is up and I feel happy.

 

[BigAk]

I feel it is your E2 going down to low what are you on that can lower this. HCG will make or keep it on the higher side. When my E2 is go low I can't get it up on a pill. It to me is as bad as being to high I can still get wood with E2 at 50.

Yeah.... There's really no telling without bloodwork. It could be the estrogen... or it could be anything else.

 

[chap]

My thinking on the subject is a little different. I think while on the hcg you are still suppressing yourself strongly as well as estrogens hanging around in your system. I don' think any real recovery is actually taking place while using hcg, the body will need to come off the hcg and only then will the serms start to work for recovery and you will probably experience a crash for a bit....

I came off the hcg, was on nothing, crashed totally, hit the serms hard and libido and morning wood became ABSOLUTE ZERO... the good thing was that only lasted for about a week or so, and recovery started to come very rapidly.... I feel if I had still played around with hcg that no real recovery would have been achieved while dosing the hcg.

 

[eeso]

I agree with Chap - HCG is suppresive.

Meanwhile, my sex function and labido has been awesome on HCG only. Whacked off 4 times yesterday, boners on call. Actually had the urge to whack off this morn.

I think it also has quite a bit to do with some other supplements I'm taking. One in particular, for some reason, is the best damn aphrodisiac ever, and it's not even meant to be. Whether I was on full TRT, HCG only, or whatever, this product has me at it 4 times a day - doesn't even seem to matter much if my estro isnt balanced either.

It's called "Adrenal Stress-End", and is really quite cheap. It contains Adrenal Cortex extracts, and l-tyrosine, among other things. I'm trying to figure out whether its the l-tyorisine or the adrenal cortex extracts doing this to me, so I bought some straight l-tyrosine tabs. I'll see if i can figure it out through elimination.

Of course, as I've always stated, I think a lot of my problems stem from depression and finding it very hard to get over emotional hits. I'm a pretty stable guy, but if someone fucks me over I really take it bad and takes a LONG time to get over things. Perhaps the l-tyrosine is helping my brain balance.

On the other hand, I could have adrenal fatigue and have low cortisol, in which case the cortex extracts are doing the job.

Regardless, Adrenal Stress-End is absurdly rediculous for labido and sexual function for me. It really puts me in the "mood", as well as a 100% boner, not that fucked 60% boner that is so common on TRT.

ZMA also seems to be working very well for better rest, nighttime HARDCORE boners, and nuts. I'll be adding GABA to my before bed regime soon too.

Anyway, I'll stop hyjacking the thread.

I'll add that I'm definately gonna be using other herbs like St. Johns Wort, L-Tyrosine, 5-htp, adrenal stress end through my recovery protocol to help emotions/brain. I think that a good state of mind is a vital piece of the puzzle.

Will probably start my recovery next week. Also on anti-biotics to stop acne - is this bad for recovery? I get bad acne when i mess with hormones.

Only bad part of all this is that I've just started seeing a new girl! I'm horny as now but a bit early in the piece to be boning her senseless, so this recovery could really fuck things up with her! If it does, it'll be about the 5th chick that all this TRT shit has fucked me with!!! haha oh well!

 

[BigAk]

chap.... The reason that you've responded to the serms so effectively is due to the fact that your testes have had a good while of actual functionality during your intake of HCG. What good is it if your pituitary produced LH in the presence of totally atrophied testes that will take a long time to wake up into action??? You can produce LH via the serms day in/day out and it will only fall on "deaf" testes. The HCG at certain doses accelerates and jump starts the testes to prepare them to welcome the LH in the near upcoming days when the HCG is stopped; and that's what I've been trying to achieve with HCG. The blood work results coming up will reveal if or not my testes have been producing testosterone adequately via the HCG. Before this fact is established, my testes will not be ready to function with the LH, and then more HCG treatment may be required to bring them up to action.

Recovery of the HPTA involves all of the letters in the word. "HPTA" hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testes Axis.. This means that the testes need to be recovered also; and not only the H and P.

Because you had been on the HCG for a long while before you started the Clomid, your testes were ready, able and willing to be invoked via the LH via the serms. For this reason, you're under the impression that the only thing that worked for you were the serms; while in reality HCG had already done its essential job in the entire recovery process.

 

[theiceman13]

I thought I read that you had been taking HCG with your HRT also tho?

chap.... The reason that you've responded to the serms so effectively is due to the fact that your testes have had a good while of actual functionality during your intake of HCG. What good is it if your pituitary produced LH in the presence of totally atrophied testes that will take a long time to wake up into action??? You can produce LH via the serms day in/day out and it will only fall on "deaf" testes. The HCG at certain doses accelerates and jump starts the testes to prepare them to welcome the LH in the near upcoming days when the HCG is stopped; and that's what I've been trying to achieve with HCG. The blood work results coming up will reveal if or not my testes have been producing testosterone adequately via the HCG. Before this fact is established, my testes will not be ready to function with the LH, and then more HCG treatment may be required to bring them up to action.

Recovery of the HPTA involves all of the letters in the word. "HPTA" hypothalamus, Pituitary, Testes Axis.. This means that the testes need to be recovered also; and not only the H and P.

Because you had been on the HCG for a long while before you started the Clomid, your testes were ready, able and willing to be invoked via the LH via the serms. For this reason, you're under the impression that the only thing that worked for you were the serms; while in reality HCG had already done its essential job in the entire recovery process.