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New Bill Roberts article on labmax testing
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What I want to know is whether or not that's true.
The ability of the test to avoid false negatives is more important than false positives.
If the test cannot detect the hormone directly, I question its ability to do so when the hormone is dissolved. Unless another chemical it tests for is created when the hormone is dissolved, but I'm not sure what that would be. My understanding is that there is no reaction between the hormone and the carrier.
The ability of the test to avoid false negatives is more important than false positives.
If the test cannot detect the hormone directly, I question its ability to do so when the hormone is dissolved. Unless another chemical it tests for is created when the hormone is dissolved, but I'm not sure what that would be. My understanding is that there is no reaction between the hormone and the carrier.
hotdog23
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Still useful IMO. UV glow especially. Has shown us some bunk gear and saved members many thousands in the work we have done here.
Kinikuman
Well-known Member
The UV glow has been proven to be easily affected by the carrier oil. In fact it was a member here that made the discovery. You may want to reconsider how useful it really is now. It is possible that some sources / gear that got tossed as a result of LM tests were actually OK... Something to think about.
Mr. Deltoid
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Labmax tests are so fucking unreliable it's pathetic at this pout I wouldn't waste a dime on those tests there are so many variables with aas your counting on a 5$ tests to be accurate,please. No government uses a field test to convict anyone only to arrest the then it goes to a lab , and guess what if theres not enough for a certified lab to confirm results a public defender can get the case thrown out.
tanuki
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Interesting read this pdf is. Especially page 4-5 which look an awful lot like LM. The test in the PDF can't detect raw prop cyp or enanthate.
People riding LM nuts because they think it's their savior from being scammed.
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http://www.swgdrug.org/Monographs/TESTOSTERONE_AND_ESTERS.pdfPeople riding LM nuts because they think it's their savior from being scammed.
hotdog23
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I would say 99% of the time a clear LM pass accurately identifies said hormone. Maybe 15% of the time results will be inconclusive, but we will be able to identify SOME hormone under UV, maybe 3-5% of the time a LM fail is actually wrong (and the gear is good).... So why would you throw out the testing? Cuz one douchebags geAr got unjustly labeled as bunk? Fuck that. I would encourage everyone to continue using labmax as a PRELIMINARY test
Sworder
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Your expertise vs Bill Roberts.
I think Bill Roberts has enough credibility in this game vs you. And he doesn't even have to be the authoritative figure either, if you do enough research you will find out the reagent testing is worthless for hormones..
This is not to mention that it doesn't even show the concentration, it could be 20mg/ml and still show "good"
tanuki
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A preliminary test, but don't you toss gear that doesn't meet the standards of gods at LM without any further investigating?
Sworder
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Where are you getting those numbers from lol?
hotdog23
New Member
Arbitrary, an estimate from all tests I have observed. And your daddy bill never said LM was worthless. It's a powerful investigative tool. But no it has no value clinically... It's a FIELD test for chrissake you keep saying things we already know about it. We know it's limitations.
LM has done a hell a lot more Good, than it has bad for the consumer. Your a fool if you don't think so.
@Kinikuman yes I know about medium chain triglycerides I have a bottle in my cabinet, if you let that trick you then you don't know what the fuck your doing with LM in the first place
I hate to see us giving the power back to UGL by buying into this bullshit. Take LM for what it is. Still very useful and should not be ruled out as crock
Sworder
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Hotdog = Mercury?? Why are you pushing labmax so hard lol?
All the tests you have observed? How many is that?
And in which of those have you done a HPLC/MS on AFTER? = NONE!
Labmax has done nothing but confuse people. You still didn't read Bill Robert's article? How much is labmax paying you lol
hotdog23
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I could say the same thing?? Why do you try so hard to discredit? You have a whole fucking thread dedicated to how much LM sux ?douchetard. We already know you take handouts for reviews?
I back testing of any kind. And I support consumer awareness and vigilance, and the exposing of liars and cheats like yourself. So yea I understand what LM is and what it does. And yes I would encourage aas users to LM their gear if able.
And Labmax will most importantly tell you A hormone is present, of any concentration. It's pass fail, we know this. Some ppl don't have time or patience "to pin 5wks worth of gear and see", i want to see if my var is winny, if my oils contain hormone
Labmax def has it's place... I'll continue to use it, especially when determining anavar from winstrol and dbol. I can say without a doubt that it can determine which hormone is which.
Bill Roberts is far from the steriod God... There are ton of so called experts out there. All he has stated is his opinion of the tests based on nothing but his "chemistry" background. Until he personally does some in depth testing of the product, I don't give a shit what he says. It's his opinion...
I just need to see some concrete studies to disprove labmax...
Bill Roberts is far from the steriod God... There are ton of so called experts out there. All he has stated is his opinion of the tests based on nothing but his "chemistry" background. Until he personally does some in depth testing of the product, I don't give a shit what he says. It's his opinion...
I just need to see some concrete studies to disprove labmax...
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tanuki
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No one seems to understand how and if LM works that's the problem. Give me a meltemp, ir spec machine, proton nmr, or mass spec machine and I can show you YouTube videos by accredited universities about the science behind how those machines work to test for hormones.
Whether sworder is a scammer/shill or not does not take away from the weaknesses of LM. Shooting the messenger doesn't mean his message is wrong in this specific case.
Bill Roberts' message about LM not being able to detect raw testosterone esters is backed up by an international drug testing organization in that pdf I linked to earlier.
When it comes to Var and winny has anyone actually tested pharm grade versions as a control to see if LM actually works?
Whether sworder is a scammer/shill or not does not take away from the weaknesses of LM. Shooting the messenger doesn't mean his message is wrong in this specific case.
Bill Roberts' message about LM not being able to detect raw testosterone esters is backed up by an international drug testing organization in that pdf I linked to earlier.
When it comes to Var and winny has anyone actually tested pharm grade versions as a control to see if LM actually works?
Kinikuman
Well-known Member
Everyone should think real carefully about this: it cannot detect raw test.
How then does it detect Test that has been mixed with any number and/or concentrations of various substances? How??
Kinikuman
Well-known Member
99%???? I call complete bullshit on that.
Just looking at all the LM photos and videos on this site, there are nowhere near the number of "clear passes" that you state. In fact, the opposite. It seems more that no two tests get the exact same result (consistency), even when used on identical preparations, such as pharma Cyp from Watson, for example.
I won't throw the test out because one douchebag's gear got unjustly labeled. I will throw out the test because I am not so easily swayed regarding its ability to test anything that I would want it to with any real accuracy. I think there may be economic reasons why it made it's way into the hearts and minds of members here and so some will cling to it and continue to push it overtly or covertly.
What about concrete studies to prove it actually works? My experience with lab max is that alpha pharma test E fails the tests. But when I got my blood work done a few months ago teat levels were "through the roof" as doctor said. And my coach at the time said that my levels were where they should have been for the amount I was taking. So according to lab max my gear was bunk. But according to bloods my gear was legit.
