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rutman said:
Don't be fooled by his grammatical errors on here..... He can spell better than I can. He's been fucking with everybody on here.
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Millard Baker said:
I don't think many Chinese chemical companies have assets in major EU banking centers. They learned their lesson from Operation Raw Deal when the US seized stole millions of dollars from Jintropin that was physically located in China - they were "legally" able to do this because the Chinese bank had a branch in NYC. Chinese chemical companies are going to avoid placing funds in an EU/US bank or even a Chinese bank with EU/US branches. They know their money is not safe there. Not even in Switzerland.

After reviewing some details of Operation Raw Deal, I'll probably retract my previous statement that Operation Cyber Juice's international cooperation under the direction of the DEA was unprecedented. It has nothing on ORD.

Operation Raw Deal was also an international operation in which the DEA partnered and coordinated with several countries including e.g. Canada (Operation Powder Keg), Australia (Operation Kasha), Belgium, China, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand.

The DEA also explicitly threatened to to go after end users and customers of UGLs. Operation Cyber Juice may have hinted at the "weekend warriors" but in Raw Deal, the feds were crystal clear saying ominous things like:

The DEA "will be identifying all the end users".

"We can find you..."

We have your name in "our database".

"We have the ability to identify individual customers.."

The DEA warned that this "should send chills down the spines" of individual steroid users.



Like OCJ, ORD targeted Chinese chemical companies too. The feds identified at least 37 Chinese chemical companies and claimed they had the Chinese government's cooperation in putting a stop to the flow of steroid powder:



Oh yeah, and WADA and USADA were closely involved too!


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/sports/24cnd-steroid.html
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@Ozzy619
 
Millard Baker said:
I don't think many Chinese chemical companies have assets in major EU banking centers. They learned their lesson from Operation Raw Deal when the US seized stole millions of dollars from Jintropin that was physically located in China - they were "legally" able to do this because the Chinese bank had a branch in NYC. Chinese chemical companies are going to avoid placing funds in an EU/US bank or even a Chinese bank with EU/US branches. They know their money is not safe there. Not even in Switzerland.

After reviewing some details of Operation Raw Deal, I'll probably retract my previous statement that Operation Cyber Juice's international cooperation under the direction of the DEA was unprecedented. It has nothing on ORD.

Operation Raw Deal was also an international operation in which the DEA partnered and coordinated with several countries including e.g. Canada (Operation Powder Keg), Australia (Operation Kasha), Belgium, China, Denmark, Germany, Sweden and Thailand.

The DEA also explicitly threatened to to go after end users and customers of UGLs. Operation Cyber Juice may have hinted at the "weekend warriors" but in Raw Deal, the feds were crystal clear saying ominous things like:

The DEA "will be identifying all the end users".

"We can find you..."

We have your name in "our database".

"We have the ability to identify individual customers.."

The DEA warned that this "should send chills down the spines" of individual steroid users.



Like OCJ, ORD targeted Chinese chemical companies too. The feds identified at least 37 Chinese chemical companies and claimed they had the Chinese government's cooperation in putting a stop to the flow of steroid powder:



Oh yeah, and WADA and USADA were closely involved too!


Source: http://www.nytimes.com/2007/09/24/sports/24cnd-steroid.html
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@Millard Baker
Everytime I parce through it, I'm more shock and awed with the how grand operation OCJ and just how global it is. Since when do the Swiss get involved btw? Are we eventually headed toward profiling like other countries?
 
Seems other countries don't want to piss off the USA ever, thus reluctantly they take part in OCJ.
 
korat said:
@Millard Baker
Everytime I parce through it, I'm more shock and awed with the how grand operation OCJ and just how global it is. Since when do the Swiss get involved btw? Are we eventually headed toward profiling like other countries?
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It's a move closer to the goal of internationalization of U.S. steroid law and the WADA Code.

Here's an article I wrote in 2008 about this:

https://thinksteroids.com/news/wada-unesco-and-internationalization-of-steroid-law/

Here's a more academic longform article that I retained attorney Philip Sweitzer to write about the topic for MESO in 2007 a few months before Operation Raw Deal took place:

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/politicization-international-steroid-law/
 
Millard Baker said:
It's a move closer to the goal of internationalization of U.S. steroid law and the WADA Code.

Here's an article I wrote in 2008 about this:

https://thinksteroids.com/news/wada-unesco-and-internationalization-of-steroid-law/

Here's a more academic longform article that I retained attorney Philip Sweitzer to write about the topic for MESO in 2007 a few months before Operation Raw Deal took place:

https://thinksteroids.com/articles/politicization-international-steroid-law/
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Okay read your article @Millard Baker WADA totally out of hand and approaching dictatorial type power. Very dangerous. Funny that Bush makes an exception for pro sports though.
Also ironic that he signs this war act Aug 4, 2008 when the CMO, CLO, CDS, Housing bubble created by Gov't and major banks almost took out the entire global economy!
 
Millard Baker said:
I think you are both right.

As far as @Mike Oxbig calling Operation Cyber Juice small potatoes compared to Operation Raw Deal, that's absolutely true in terms of the short-term impact it had on the domestic UGL market.

ORD shut down 3x as many AAS UGLs in a SINGLE WEEK in September 2007 than Operation Cyber Juice shut down in the entire previous YEAR in 2014-2015. OCJ doesn't even come close to ORD by comparison.

OTOH, @korat is correct in pointing out that the international cooperation under the direction of the US DEA is unprecedented in the war on steroids. The announcement of ongoing cooperation with several LE agencies in multiple countries, in addition to the troubling partnership with morality-in-sports guardian WADA/USADA, very likely means that more resources are being earmarked for the war on steroids/doping than ever before. This could mean more and more arrests.

The DEA/Europol has essentially outline their end game is to put a stop to the flow of steroid powder and PEDs from China. It will be interesting to see how much progress they will make on this front.

Even if they succeed, we all know the war on drugs is a failed strategy. If there ever comes a time when there is no more powder from China, then they risk/rewards will rise so that some other country/company/organization will pick up the slack. India? Mexican cartels? The black market will evolve accordingly.

We all know how the story ends...

AAS will always be available to users who want them, have the resources and tolerance for risk.
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@Ozzy619 not really sure what to make of any of this but security/trustworthiness is #1
 
rutman said:
I've discovered that Nophat and a guy on MuscleChemistry named beeflover is the same person..... At least by their avatars. More research to come.


Here's a pic of beeflover's avatar on MC.
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Here's nophats avatar from meso

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Same guy.
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Yes indeed they are the same guy. I am hearing that, to save his ass, he is turned informant. I never dealt with him, but for those of you who have, clean house.
 
korat said:
@Ozzy619 not really sure what to make of any of this but security/trustworthiness is #1
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I agree with you wholeheartedly @korat! Everyone be safe, not worth the headaches and heartaches especially for those of us who have loved ones.

jacked44 said:
Yes indeed they are the same guy. I am hearing that, to save his ass, he is turned informant. I never dealt with him, but for those of you who have, clean house.
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Ouch! Informant? Not good at all!
 
rutman said:
Looks like Nophat (aka beeflover) was in with a guy on MC named powderguy. I received a pm from a member on MC yesterday that explained how he was shafted by powderguy and his "hook up for raws".

Beeflover is friends with 2 people on MC, with powderguy being one of them. So putting it all together, it appears that all this is related to Nophat.

Here is a copy of the PM that I received.

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Very interesting thank you for your post
 
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