Over 40 - AAS /TRT resource

[Xlgx]

I am on doc prescribed trt of 160mg weekly. My blood work is coming up soon. Afterwards I plan to increase test to 500mg and add 300mg primo and 300mg mast each week.

If I add the primo and mast before the blood work. What major difference should I expect to see? Low e2? Renal and lipid panels out of wack?

 

[Bigboy727]

I am not on TRT and looks like I’m close. Doc said I am still in range. It’s obviously not exactly what I wanted to do. I didn’t want to be forced into it but not sure if I want to walk around with this low of T. I’m 37 and no one in family had ever had low T so I am sure the 6 cycles I’ve done has not done wonders on it. If they said I’m not quite low enough yet, how do I know how much to do a week? I’m 6’3” 230lbs and 37. Thinking trying to start at 250? Just wondering if anyone could help take some guess work out of it. Thanks

 

[TRT@40]

View attachment 105293 I am not on TRT and looks like I’m close. It’s obviously not exactly what I wanted to do. I didn’t want to be forced into but not sure if I want to walk around with this low of T. I’m 37 and no one in family had ever had low T so I am sure the 6 cycles I’ve done has not done wonders on it. If they said I’m not quite low enough yet, how do I know how much to do a week? I’m 6’3” 230lbs and 37. Thinking trying to start at 250? Just wondering if anyone could help take some guess work out of it. Thanks

Your FSH and LH are low so that is probably why your test is at the lower end of the normal range. If you have low t symptoms then start at 100mg/wk for about a month and then pull bloods to see where your test levels are and if you are happy with the improvements resulting from increased test. if you are not finished with having kids, look into doing HCG injections.

 

[Bigboy727]

Your FSH and LH are low so that is probably why your test is at the lower end of the normal range. If you have low t symptoms then start at 100mg/wk for about a month and then pull bloods to see where your test levels are and if you are happy with the improvements resulting from increased test. if you are not finished with having kids, look into doing HCG injections.

Anyway I can raise them? Naturally. @Roger rabbit ideas?

 

[Thaistick]

I'm in my early 40's. Prescribed by a physician, he writes it for a much higher amount than I use. I have been on 10mg a day for a while now and my bloodwork and libido continue to improve. When I want to "blast" I go up to 20mg a day and add some low dose primo, var, or deca. One nice thing other than that I'm not worried about doing damage to myself is that I can really see the effect of anything I add. I also use 1-2 iu of TP greys a day. For my purposes less has truly been more. It's also a very inexpensive way to give myself an edge.

 

[Xlgx]

I'm in my early 40's. Prescribed by a physician, he writes it for a much higher amount than I use. I have been on 10mg a day for a while now and my bloodwork and libido continue to improve. When I want to "blast" I go up to 20mg a day and add some low dose primo, var, or deca. One nice thing other than that I'm not worried about doing damage to myself is that I can really see the effect of anything I add. I also use 1-2 iu of TP greys a day. For my purposes less has truly been more. It's also a very inexpensive way to give myself an edge.

Sounds like emerics protocol from promuscle.

 

[Thaistick]

Yes that is where I got it from m

Sounds like emerics protocol from promuscle.

 

[Oncewild]

XLGX--if you are coming up on labs soon, I would simply wait to start the mast/primo. It should show a marked increase in free test for the amount of total test. I've heard it can effect lipids to some extent, but never effected mine at larger doses than that. Again, though, if you don't know how it will effect your bloods, best to just wait till your labs are completed to blast off.

 

[Oncewild]

Bigboy, your total test is below what most would consider the cutoff. If you do a quick google search you will see the cutoff for diagnosis of late onset of hypogonadism is somewhat of a moving target, with some setting at 280ng, other group says under 300ng, Baylor medical just had a study pertaining to LOH and defined as at or under 325ng.

American Urology Association falls in the middle:
"The AUA recommends that TT be prescribed only to men who meet the clinical and laboratory definition of testosterone deficiency (Testosterone level of less than 300 ng/dL)."

So realize that the reference range from Labcorp isn't necessarily the gospel.

 

[Rosconow]

I am on doc prescribed trt of 160mg weekly. My blood work is coming up soon. Afterwards I plan to increase test to 500mg and add 300mg primo and 300mg mast each week.
If I add the primo and mast before the blood work. What major difference should I expect to see? Low e2? Renal and lipid panels out of wack?

Hold off till after your bloods. If your doc is anything like mine, he'll give you a tongue lashing and threaten to boot you from trt.

 

[Xlgx]

XLGX--if you are coming up on labs soon, I would simply wait to start the mast/primo. It should show a marked increase in free test for the amount of total test. I've heard it can effect lipids to some extent, but never effected mine at larger doses than that. Again, though, if you don't know how it will effect your bloods, best to just wait till your labs are completed to blast off.

That’s what I ended up doing. Now adding 100mg test prop to my weekly 160mg trt dose of test cyp plus 200mg primo and 250mg mast

 

[ironwill1951]

im not sure about the number but I think 10mg a day is less than your body should produce naturally.
do you inject 10 mg a day? or 2 injection of 35 mg a week?
im just curious about the protocol.

I'm in my early 40's. Prescribed by a physician, he writes it for a much higher amount than I use. I have been on 10mg a day for a while now and my bloodwork and libido continue to improve. When I want to "blast" I go up to 20mg a day and add some low dose primo, var, or deca. One nice thing other than that I'm not worried about doing damage to myself is that I can really see the effect of anything I add. I also use 1-2 iu of TP greys a day. For my purposes less has truly been more. It's also a very inexpensive way to give myself an edge.

 

[Thaistick]

im not sure about the number but I think 10mg a day is less than your body should produce naturally.
do you inject 10 mg a day? or 2 injection of 35 mg a week?
im just curious about the protocol.

Everyone produces a different amount as I'm sure you know. 10mg is actually on the high side of normal apparently since all my numbers (test, estrogen) are on the high end of the ranges. I do as close to 10mg a day as possible. I do 5iu on an insulin syringe. Takes less than a minute to draw and inject. The good news is I have the libido of a teenager, the bad news is that I have the libido of a teenager. That can lead to some bad decisions when attractive females are involved. I fall in lust at first sight every day.

 

[Rosconow]

Everyone produces a different amount as I'm sure you know. 10mg is actually on the high side of normal apparently since all my numbers (test, estrogen) are on the high end of the ranges. I do as close to 10mg a day as possible. I do 5iu on an insulin syringe. Takes less than a minute to draw and inject. The good news is I have the libido of a teenager, the bad news is that I have the libido of a teenager. That can lead to some bad decisions when attractive females are involved. I fall in lust at first sight every day.

5iu of oil sub-q? When i tried 2.5iu's subbed i got painful lumps at site.

 

[Bigboy727]

How many of you guys don’t need an AI on trt?

 

[Thaistick]

5iu of oil sub-q? When i tried 2.5iu's subbed i got painful lumps at site.

IM or subq, either way I don't have lumps. But I only use my prescription test. When I added a little UGL deca in the outer triceps I had to do the same to the other side to balance them out. That itched like a mofo too for some reason.

 

[Thaistick]

How many of you guys don’t need an AI on trt?

I don't use an ai, don't need it. Unless you are obese or just naturally aromatize heavily you should not need an ai on a true replacement dose.

 

[Monstar]

I need an AI. As people get older they aromatize more. My serum test was 300 and E2 was 50s. Take serum to 1000 E2 is 100 or a bit more. That said over the past few years I've needed to lower my AI dosage to stay in the 20s.

 

[Thaistick]

I need an AI. As people get older they aromatize more. My serum test was 300 and E2 was 50s. Take serum to 1000 E2 is 100 or a bit more. That said over the past few years I've needed to lower my AI dosage to stay in the 20s.

Another perfect example of how everyone is different and bloodwork is necessary. My dad is almost 80 and overweight and his estrogen stays in range on his test dose. He doesn't blast of course. Of course I don't either by most guys standards. My "blast" dose is less than most here cruise on. But I look like I want and better than nine out of ten of the population, maybe more.

 

[Morefyah]

How many of you guys don’t need an AI on trt?

I don’t usually need an AI until I get to 400mg test E. I am about two weeks into my current blast. No AI yet..46 yrs
Test E @ 500mg
Deca @ 500mg
Tren E @ 250mg
I will also be adding 600mg Mast e next week and start adding Adex @ .5mg twice a week.