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I'd be glad to help, but I don't think insulin is the answer... I use insulin as a means to counteract some of the effects of high GH usage, and in some way amplify the positive effects of high GH usage. I don't think his levels warrant insulin usage, personally.
@weighted chinup @Eman try adding the PB or almond butter to the water and the cream of rice before microwaving. Seems to give it more of a silky/batter-y texture
Right now I'm eating that, and doing egg whites pre workout. Seems to digest QUICKLY yet keep my energized and feeling content, not FULL.
As @weighted chinup suggested in an earlier post, for all those who are reading and are interested in insulin, the best way to do it is pre workout with an intra/pre workout carb source. If you're gonna do it, do it like this:
1 hour pre workout: Eat a solid meal (easily digested, one like the aforementioned meal in this post) plus take some apha lipoic acid
45 minutes pre workout: pin GH (I also just pull out the humalog here, just to avoid having to go back in the fridge and shit. The slin will be fine for 30 minutes on your counter in the syringe, or pop it in the fridge. BE CAREFUL not to pin the slin instead of the GH here...)
After you pin the GH, start cooking up your necessary "meals"
- Meal 1 is your pre workout of choice (Granite Arch Reactor + 1 Bronkaid for me)
- Meal 2 is your intra workout drink (I use about 50/50 pineapple juice and gatorade powder for my carbs, and always a bit of honey, too). So, you need 10g of carbs per 1iu of insulin. If you're gonna pin 10iu insulin, your shake should be 100g of fast acting carbs (gatorade and juice are best, I've gone hypo using the supplement store carb mixes). I add BCAAs, 5g creatine, citruline malate,
-Meal 3 is your post workout shake. Either 1 carton (50 grams of protein) of egg whites, or whatever other fast acting protein source you like (whey isolate is a good choice if you don't avoid dairy). No, here's where it's a BIT tricky, I use oats in my post workout, because I like the carbs after my lift, too. Don't use TOO many, as you'll be adding unnecessary carbs/calories, so, I'd say about 1/4 cup should be fine for MOST people. Throw in 1 frozen banana, a handful of frozen berries or frozen tart cherries to the blender, add some stevia and almond milk.... Blast away and pour into your shaker. I put my shake into a lunchbox with a cooler so I can drink it immediately post workout, I'm just like that.
30 minutes pre workout- Drink your pre workout mix
15 minutes pre workout- shoot your insulin (start LOW guys, you can always add more over time) and start sipping that intra workout shake. Don't drink a ton at once, I want that shake to last your whole drive there, and the whole workout. So a sip or so after each set is fine. I normally have had about 1/8 of the shake by the time 15 minutes has past, or so. Be smart, don't chug it, and don't forget to sip it throughout. If you start to feel light headed, sip a bit and just chill for a while. This is a good reason to have some candy or something in your pocket, JUST in case you feel hypo (hot, confused, dizzy, light headed, weak, etc.). Don't be embarrassed to tell a gym employee if you need help, just say you're a diabetic, going hypo and you need a gatorade or sugary drink (99.9% of gyms have them). Don't push it, guys.
Immediately post workout drink your post workout shake w/ the oats and frozen fruits....
We can get into other processes later, but this is THE beginner's way, and the safest way, to use insulin. You can stack insulin, meaning pre and post workout, as well as use it throughout the day, but those are different write ups for different days.
Perrin Aybara
Master
@Trapmonster after talking to @Wunderpus I've decided it's not something I'm going to explore at this time. I've not done much research on it, but I trust WP knows what he's talking about, so I'm exploring other options. Which for now are more food, more carbs, I'm dropping cardio and if all that doesn't work I'll drop my fourth gym day and break up the assistance between the other three.
A lot of dedication and time has to go into something like thatI'd be glad to help, but I don't think insulin is the answer... I use insulin as a means to counteract some of the effects of high GH usage, and in some way amplify the positive effects of high GH usage. I don't think his levels warrant insulin usage, personally.
@weighted chinup @Eman try adding the PB or almond butter to the water and the cream of rice before microwaving. Seems to give it more of a silky/batter-y texture
Right now I'm eating that, and doing egg whites pre workout. Seems to digest QUICKLY yet keep my energized and feeling content, not FULL.
As @weighted chinup suggested in an earlier post, for all those who are reading and are interested in insulin, the best way to do it is pre workout with an intra/pre workout carb source. If you're gonna do it, do it like this:
1 hour pre workout: Eat a solid meal (easily digested, one like the aforementioned meal in this post) plus take some apha lipoic acid
45 minutes pre workout: pin GH (I also just pull out the humalog here, just to avoid having to go back in the fridge and shit. The slin will be fine for 30 minutes on your counter in the syringe, or pop it in the fridge. BE CAREFUL not to pin the slin instead of the GH here...)
After you pin the GH, start cooking up your necessary "meals"
- Meal 1 is your pre workout of choice (Granite Arch Reactor + 1 Bronkaid for me)
- Meal 2 is your intra workout drink (I use about 50/50 pineapple juice and gatorade powder for my carbs, and always a bit of honey, too). So, you need 10g of carbs per 1iu of insulin. If you're gonna pin 10iu insulin, your shake should be 100g of fast acting carbs (gatorade and juice are best, I've gone hypo using the supplement store carb mixes). I add BCAAs, 5g creatine, citruline malate,
-Meal 3 is your post workout shake. Either 1 carton (50 grams of protein) of egg whites, or whatever other fast acting protein source you like (whey isolate is a good choice if you don't avoid dairy). No, here's where it's a BIT tricky, I use oats in my post workout, because I like the carbs after my lift, too. Don't use TOO many, as you'll be adding unnecessary carbs/calories, so, I'd say about 1/4 cup should be fine for MOST people. Throw in 1 frozen banana, a handful of frozen berries or frozen tart cherries to the blender, add some stevia and almond milk.... Blast away and pour into your shaker. I put my shake into a lunchbox with a cooler so I can drink it immediately post workout, I'm just like that.
30 minutes pre workout- Drink your pre workout mix
15 minutes pre workout- shoot your insulin (start LOW guys, you can always add more over time) and start sipping that intra workout shake. Don't drink a ton at once, I want that shake to last your whole drive there, and the whole workout. So a sip or so after each set is fine. I normally have had about 1/8 of the shake by the time 15 minutes has past, or so. Be smart, don't chug it, and don't forget to sip it throughout. If you start to feel light headed, sip a bit and just chill for a while. This is a good reason to have some candy or something in your pocket, JUST in case you feel hypo (hot, confused, dizzy, light headed, weak, etc.). Don't be embarrassed to tell a gym employee if you need help, just say you're a diabetic, going hypo and you need a gatorade or sugary drink (99.9% of gyms have them). Don't push it, guys.
Immediately post workout drink your post workout shake w/ the oats and frozen fruits....
We can get into other processes later, but this is THE beginner's way, and the safest way, to use insulin. You can stack insulin, meaning pre and post workout, as well as use it throughout the day, but those are different write ups for different days.
and that's just the "beginners" intro to slin! Welp I'm out, no way could I balance that, a kid, work and not fuck up
Edit: Thanks @Wunderpus for the little write up. I've been curious about gh and slin for a bit.
Eman
Master
I'd be glad to help, but I don't think insulin is the answer... I use insulin as a means to counteract some of the effects of high GH usage, and in some way amplify the positive effects of high GH usage. I don't think his levels warrant insulin usage, personally.
@weighted chinup @Eman try adding the PB or almond butter to the water and the cream of rice before microwaving. Seems to give it more of a silky/batter-y texture
Right now I'm eating that, and doing egg whites pre workout. Seems to digest QUICKLY yet keep my energized and feeling content, not FULL.
As @weighted chinup suggested in an earlier post, for all those who are reading and are interested in insulin, the best way to do it is pre workout with an intra/pre workout carb source. If you're gonna do it, do it like this:
1 hour pre workout: Eat a solid meal (easily digested, one like the aforementioned meal in this post) plus take some apha lipoic acid
45 minutes pre workout: pin GH (I also just pull out the humalog here, just to avoid having to go back in the fridge and shit. The slin will be fine for 30 minutes on your counter in the syringe, or pop it in the fridge. BE CAREFUL not to pin the slin instead of the GH here...)
After you pin the GH, start cooking up your necessary "meals"
- Meal 1 is your pre workout of choice (Granite Arch Reactor + 1 Bronkaid for me)
- Meal 2 is your intra workout drink (I use about 50/50 pineapple juice and gatorade powder for my carbs, and always a bit of honey, too). So, you need 10g of carbs per 1iu of insulin. If you're gonna pin 10iu insulin, your shake should be 100g of fast acting carbs (gatorade and juice are best, I've gone hypo using the supplement store carb mixes). I add BCAAs, 5g creatine, citruline malate,
-Meal 3 is your post workout shake. Either 1 carton (50 grams of protein) of egg whites, or whatever other fast acting protein source you like (whey isolate is a good choice if you don't avoid dairy). No, here's where it's a BIT tricky, I use oats in my post workout, because I like the carbs after my lift, too. Don't use TOO many, as you'll be adding unnecessary carbs/calories, so, I'd say about 1/4 cup should be fine for MOST people. Throw in 1 frozen banana, a handful of frozen berries or frozen tart cherries to the blender, add some stevia and almond milk.... Blast away and pour into your shaker. I put my shake into a lunchbox with a cooler so I can drink it immediately post workout, I'm just like that.
30 minutes pre workout- Drink your pre workout mix
15 minutes pre workout- shoot your insulin (start LOW guys, you can always add more over time) and start sipping that intra workout shake. Don't drink a ton at once, I want that shake to last your whole drive there, and the whole workout. So a sip or so after each set is fine. I normally have had about 1/8 of the shake by the time 15 minutes has past, or so. Be smart, don't chug it, and don't forget to sip it throughout. If you start to feel light headed, sip a bit and just chill for a while. This is a good reason to have some candy or something in your pocket, JUST in case you feel hypo (hot, confused, dizzy, light headed, weak, etc.). Don't be embarrassed to tell a gym employee if you need help, just say you're a diabetic, going hypo and you need a gatorade or sugary drink (99.9% of gyms have them). Don't push it, guys.
Immediately post workout drink your post workout shake w/ the oats and frozen fruits....
We can get into other processes later, but this is THE beginner's way, and the safest way, to use insulin. You can stack insulin, meaning pre and post workout, as well as use it throughout the day, but those are different write ups for different days.
Wait a second... You told me not to take any carbs with the slin!
That was when you told me you're pregnant!Wait a second... You told me not to take any carbs with the slin!
Eman
Master
Perrin Aybara
Master
213lbs (i think the highest it's been since starting tren)
Competition bench 315 for 5x5
Box squat 410x3, 370x3, 370x3, 370x3 (forgot my sleeves and coach said take it easy anyway. All beltless, too.)
Single arm dumbbell overhead press 80x7, 80x5, 80x5, 80x5, 80x5
Felt kind of back to normal today. Strong on bench, could've got 2-3 more reps with 315 for sure. Everything else was obviously easy since it was so light. Still felt good.
Competition bench 315 for 5x5
Box squat 410x3, 370x3, 370x3, 370x3 (forgot my sleeves and coach said take it easy anyway. All beltless, too.)
Single arm dumbbell overhead press 80x7, 80x5, 80x5, 80x5, 80x5
Felt kind of back to normal today. Strong on bench, could've got 2-3 more reps with 315 for sure. Everything else was obviously easy since it was so light. Still felt good.
Now that's a good 180 degree turn...good you feeling much more motivated.
Perrin Aybara
Master
Hopefully things stay this way.
Hope so too, as you been pretty beat down lately. Seems tren seems to be tame to you while some others it's a curse.
Perrin Aybara
Master
The heartburn kicked in pretty hard today. Besides that I seem to react really well to it. Sleep like a baby and feel more positive and upbeat than I normally do.
Nexium can fix the heartburn...just take it only when necessary.
I just may try tren ace something like 75mg EOD on my next cycle to get a taste of tren and how I react to it.
Geezus! Thanks for the info! Very well informed for those who are thinking of doing slin. Thanks for that, didn't think you'd get so much in detailI'd be glad to help, but I don't think insulin is the answer... I use insulin as a means to counteract some of the effects of high GH usage, and in some way amplify the positive effects of high GH usage. I don't think his levels warrant insulin usage, personally.
@weighted chinup @Eman try adding the PB or almond butter to the water and the cream of rice before microwaving. Seems to give it more of a silky/batter-y texture
Right now I'm eating that, and doing egg whites pre workout. Seems to digest QUICKLY yet keep my energized and feeling content, not FULL.
As @weighted chinup suggested in an earlier post, for all those who are reading and are interested in insulin, the best way to do it is pre workout with an intra/pre workout carb source. If you're gonna do it, do it like this:
1 hour pre workout: Eat a solid meal (easily digested, one like the aforementioned meal in this post) plus take some apha lipoic acid
45 minutes pre workout: pin GH (I also just pull out the humalog here, just to avoid having to go back in the fridge and shit. The slin will be fine for 30 minutes on your counter in the syringe, or pop it in the fridge. BE CAREFUL not to pin the slin instead of the GH here...)
After you pin the GH, start cooking up your necessary "meals"
- Meal 1 is your pre workout of choice (Granite Arch Reactor + 1 Bronkaid for me)
- Meal 2 is your intra workout drink (I use about 50/50 pineapple juice and gatorade powder for my carbs, and always a bit of honey, too). So, you need 10g of carbs per 1iu of insulin. If you're gonna pin 10iu insulin, your shake should be 100g of fast acting carbs (gatorade and juice are best, I've gone hypo using the supplement store carb mixes). I add BCAAs, 5g creatine, citruline malate,
-Meal 3 is your post workout shake. Either 1 carton (50 grams of protein) of egg whites, or whatever other fast acting protein source you like (whey isolate is a good choice if you don't avoid dairy). No, here's where it's a BIT tricky, I use oats in my post workout, because I like the carbs after my lift, too. Don't use TOO many, as you'll be adding unnecessary carbs/calories, so, I'd say about 1/4 cup should be fine for MOST people. Throw in 1 frozen banana, a handful of frozen berries or frozen tart cherries to the blender, add some stevia and almond milk.... Blast away and pour into your shaker. I put my shake into a lunchbox with a cooler so I can drink it immediately post workout, I'm just like that.
30 minutes pre workout- Drink your pre workout mix
15 minutes pre workout- shoot your insulin (start LOW guys, you can always add more over time) and start sipping that intra workout shake. Don't drink a ton at once, I want that shake to last your whole drive there, and the whole workout. So a sip or so after each set is fine. I normally have had about 1/8 of the shake by the time 15 minutes has past, or so. Be smart, don't chug it, and don't forget to sip it throughout. If you start to feel light headed, sip a bit and just chill for a while. This is a good reason to have some candy or something in your pocket, JUST in case you feel hypo (hot, confused, dizzy, light headed, weak, etc.). Don't be embarrassed to tell a gym employee if you need help, just say you're a diabetic, going hypo and you need a gatorade or sugary drink (99.9% of gyms have them). Don't push it, guys.
Immediately post workout drink your post workout shake w/ the oats and frozen fruits....
We can get into other processes later, but this is THE beginner's way, and the safest way, to use insulin. You can stack insulin, meaning pre and post workout, as well as use it throughout the day, but those are different write ups for different days.
Shit's dangerous! I wouldn't fuck with it cus I can be forgetful at times. Gotta be well aware. I would trust Wunderpus and go with what he says as far as not needing it
Brolloks
New Member
I get a little bit of heartburn if I combine tren e with late night meaty meals. The more meat/slow digesting, the worse if gets - especially if I sleep on my left side. That results in terrible reflux on top of the trensomnia
I've switched my last two meals to shakes, and haven't been coughing up chunks since.
EDIT: Also getting my carbs in early limits night sweats.
Perrin Aybara
Master
I get a little bit of heartburn if I combine tren e with late night meaty meals. The more meat/slow digesting, the worse if gets - especially if I sleep on my left side. That results in terrible reflux on top of the trensomnia
I've switched my last two meals to shakes, and haven't been coughing up chunks since.
EDIT: Also getting my carbs in early limits night sweats.
Interesting. I only have meat with my first and last meal of the day with a cold lunch and shakes in between. Due to my work schedule it's the only way I can get my calories in. Haven't really pinpointed the cause of the heartburn/reflux beyond that it only happens when I'm on tren. Running 100mg of tren ace ED at the moment.
Been taking glutamine once or twice a day, papaya enzymes twice a day and recently added Zantac and that's seeming to keep it at bay for the moment. Yesterday was the worst I'd had on this cycle and lead me to add the Zantac.
Luckily no insomnia, but the night sweats are getting steadily worse. I count myself lucky sweating and heartburn are the worst sides I get.
Brolloks
New Member
I'm on 1g sust/1g tren e at the mo, and fortunately it's turning winter down here. I've been pulling back from a bulk, and reducing carbs significantly. Any unspent carbs after 6pm seem to turn into bedtime sweats, but I haven't noticed it as much on tren e as on the ace.
Perrin Aybara
Master
Pretty stout blast there. How far in are you and how long you going?
I'm just doing a short run this time and next time to see what I can get out of shorter blasts. I'm experimenting with lower carbs this run, too. Not very low, but lower and i feel better and less bloated. I'm about to raise them just a bit for performance though.
Brolloks
New Member
I'll have to count the empty vials to be sure
Planning to back down to shorter esters and then into a test cruise within a few weeks.
