Pretty much crashed E2 no AI???

[Heavy Iron]

Figured I would start a thread as to not clog others.

I am not running mast. Running about 700mgTest E p/w (brewed at 305mg) EQ at 750 p/w (brewed at 330) both PPLraws. Deca 450mg p/w (not PPL or homebrew) and added ZPHC dbol 40 mg pre workout (I haven't beenconsistent with non workout day dosage).....

So I haven't been feeling too great. I knew something was off and I thought it might have been my brew process considering I am a novice. But it seems the brew was pretty dang good. So idk wtf. Bloods pulled 40 hours post pin.

 

[ironwill1951]

you need an ai a half mg adex eod

 

[Heavy Iron]

you need an ai a half mg adex eod

My E2 is 5.8 without an AI 7 weeks in?

 

[AnTabolic73]

You need an a.u. aromatase uninhibitor.


In for answers.

 

[Evom1]

What are the chances those dbol are actually Adex/aromasin? I know dbol is dirt cheap, but I saw something posted somewhere that someones aromasin or Arimidex tested as an AAS instead

 

[Heavy Iron]

I'm going Friday to donate some blood as well.

@Dr JIM any thoughts on this?

What are the chances those dbol are actually Adex/aromasin? I know dbol is dirt cheap, but I saw something posted somewhere that someones aromasin or Arimidex tested as an AAS instead

I think anything is a possibility in the realm off AAS and the UG.

 

[XmadXscientist]

How long have you been using the dbol and how much water have you gained?

 

[Heavy Iron]

How long have you been using the dbol and how much water have you gained?

Honestly not much water at all. Maybe 6lbs. I cut down from 190lbs my last cycle to experiment with my body and physique. And currently at 174 at 7%bf.

I was only taking the dbol prewkorkout Thursday through Sunday. Been 3.5 weeks.

My diet has been around 3k cals. 100% need to get it back on track. (New job, trying to by a house, and news of a baby has been stressful lol)

 

[Heavy Iron]

How long have you been using the dbol and how much water have you gained?

I don't want to "blame" the dbol but it's the only thing I have recently added. (Cycle is 7 weeks in)

 

[XmadXscientist]

Honestly not much water at all. Maybe 6lbs. I cut down from 190lbs my last cycle to experiment with my body and physique. And currently at 174 at 7%bf.

I was only taking the dbol prewkorkout Thursday through Sunday. Been 3.5 weeks.

My diet has been around 3k cals. 100% need to get it back on track. (New job, trying to by a house, and news of a baby has been stressful lol)

How many mg? If I had to guess wildly I would think maybe the dbol batch got mixed up with AI, otherwise I got nothing for you.

You've got a lot going on brother but it will work out if you keep sight of the important things.

 

[Evom1]

Drop the "dbol" for a couple weeks and retest?

 

[Heavy Iron]

Yeah I'm gonna cease the dbol and see what happens. It's the only logical explanation I can think of.

You've got a lot going on brother but it will work out if you keep sight of the important things.

Thanks man I appreciate that. Even the great things in life are stressful!

 

[Evom1]

Can we all remember this thread for the new guys who think mid cycle blood work is unnecessary??

 

[master.on]

Figured I would start a thread as to not clog others.

I am not running mast. Running about 700mgTest E p/w (brewed at 305mg) EQ at 750 p/w (brewed at 330) both PPLraws. Deca 450mg p/w (not PPL or homebrew) and added ZPHC dbol 40 mg pre workout (I haven't beenconsistent with non workout day dosage).....

So I haven't been feeling too great. I knew something was off and I thought it might have been my brew process considering I am a novice. But it seems the brew was pretty dang good. So idk wtf. Bloods pulled 40 hours post pin.View attachment 81137 View attachment 81138

1 Mast won't crash estro

2 Was that the first pin in the cycle?
40 hours? Maybe you had low Estro from off cycle, T got high from the pin but estro hasn't had enough time to aromatize?

3 Dbol aromatizes to an Estrogenic derivative that won't show on blood tests, so I'd leave it there and wait at least a week.

 

[Evom1]

I don't want to "blame" the dbol but it's the only thing I have recently added. (Cycle is 7 weeks in)

2 Was that the first pin in the cycle?
40 hours? Maybe you had low Estro from off cycle, T got high from the pin but estro hasn't had enough time to aromatize?

^^^

 

[Roger rabbit]

OP. You have the answer on hand brother.

You said previously you had blood taken on another cycle with pretty much the same thing, except the dbol.

What was your estrogen on that blood work? Compare that to this blood work.

As far as what I have read you the dbol is the culprit.. like others have said.

Here is the thing, men treated for low estrogen are treated the same as men with low testosterone... so somewhere in. Your mix you got an AI.

If you are taking "dbol" that is actually adex or whatever AI 4x per week I can see this happening easily.

 

[XmadXscientist]

3 Dbol aromatizes to an Estrogenic derivative that won't show on blood tests, so I'd leave it there and wait at least a week.

WTF? dbol is one of the most aromatizing compounds known to man and will absolutely show up on a blood test as estrogen. Would you mind sharing what this magical unkown estrogen is?

 

[Dr JIM]

@Dr JIM any thoughts on this?

Yea the number of people who are fixated on E-2 on Meso and elsewhere is literally unbelievable!

The OP is running THREE “home-brewed” compounds (all of which have their own side effects) so why don’t we start there and test the obvious rather than embark on another course of E-2 micromanagement.

IDK how estrogen became the bane of cycling since there’s little to support this notion as few side effects are E-2 specific, such as GCM and fluid retention
while arthralgias, and myalgias are reasonably suggestive of a low E-2 level.

And since a large majority of serious lifters have joint, muscle aches or some degree of water retention we are left with ONE E-2 speficic AAS related adverse effect, GCM which may occur in spite of a “normal” E-2 level.

The point many on this forum
are “chasing the end of a rainbow”!

Jim

 

[PIZZABOY]

Op, thats alot of gear, i see your weight and caloric intake, you must be shredded. How tall are you?

 

[Heavy Iron]

Op, thats alot of gear, i see your weight and caloric intake, you must be shredded. How tall are you?

5'10 . I really need to get my food intake up more. The vascularity lately has been great.