lukiss96
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Yeah, same. Although not 2000mg, but I have tried up to 1000mg and I did not experience hemoglobin/hematocrit issues, blood pressure was even better than high test.
MESO-Rx
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Primobolan - underrated for muscle gain?
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It depends on what are your goals with PEDs, Primo has it's use. I recently added 100mg Primo to my 200mg TRT to have some extra anabolism, leaner look, less water retention, without any detrimental sides. It seems to be a good choice for me, but probably I'd use something else if I wanted to maximize gains.
nightprowler7
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Back to the primobolan chat-
Honestly I think I'm going to drop it tbh. It's just so much goddamn oil to inject and it's not making me feel nice. My sex drive sucks which is messing with my girlfriends head, I get night sweats, and overall I just am not feeling that good. I keep day dreaming about switching to mast again so I think I'll do that.
One thing I'll say is there is zero pip for me.
I feel so great on mast/test 1:1, and I have some life stressors coming up and I need a calm attitude for.
Honestly I think I'm going to drop it tbh. It's just so much goddamn oil to inject and it's not making me feel nice. My sex drive sucks which is messing with my girlfriends head, I get night sweats, and overall I just am not feeling that good. I keep day dreaming about switching to mast again so I think I'll do that.
One thing I'll say is there is zero pip for me.
I feel so great on mast/test 1:1, and I have some life stressors coming up and I need a calm attitude for.
We need a primo hate thread
Could do oral Primo A, only catch is you've gotta dose like 4x a day
nightprowler7
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Also my emotions are all over the goddamn place because it's so hard to dial my e2 in. I've never used a steroid that lowers my e2, so it's difficult to control. One minute I'm pissing every 5 minutes, the next I'm crying while watching 90 day fiance
That’s Primo! Weird ass stuff that compound is.
What is it then?
Dude do you just search this forum looking for posts with the words TRT so you can tell people that's not TRT. Seems like a waste of time and not helpful to anyone whatsoever.
HB_22
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Whatever you wann call it, a mild cycle, TRT+, up to you
HB_22
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Misleading people into thinking high amounts of androgens are a hormone replacement is not helpful either, is it?
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Tool to Assess your TT dose response --Percentile Curves
Continuing the dose response thread over here. This would be a great place to crowdsource data. https://forums.t-nation.com/t/tool-to-assess-your-tt-dose-response-percentile-curves/277628 https://thinksteroids.com/community/threads/readalot-aka-tareload-introduction.134419973/post-3171563 I...
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GreenAmine
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I don't fully trust that stuff. I haven't found any literature about it, but it seems rather easy for an intramolecular SN2 reaction to occur between the trichlorinated carbon and the -OH, forming an epoxide, which is a potential alkylating agent (albeit a sterically-hindered one). That carbon is very electrophilic due to the presence of the 3 chlorines.
This may not actually happen in the real world, but theoretically it could. Kinda like how cinnamaldehyde is a Michael acceptor, but it has shown no alkylating properties in vivo.
readalot
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Thank you for taking a look. Really good point to not let a smaller concentration of excipient absolve what could be problematic functional groups. I'll look more into the toxicology literature for CB. I appreciate your review.
CB has been used for many years in Delatestryl at 0.5%, but that shouldn't give it a free pass.
I am coming the the conclusion that 20% BB contributes to the arrythmia I was experiencing. Using the TE with only 2% BA does not produce the same issue (of course I've not been blinded for these experiments).
Just started some Hikma TE with the CB.
GreenAmine
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Therein lies the issue with any of this stuff. For many years, we were told that PFASs were safe ("they're inert... Those Teflon pan scrapings in your scrambled eggs will pass right through you"). Same for phthalates and asbestos.
Similar to CB, look at the structure of sucralose. On the glucose ring, there's a -Cl adjacent to an -OH. The stereochemistry really matters here: these 2 moities are syn, which disallows the correct orbital orientation for intramolecular SN2. If they were anti, the antibonding orbital of the C-Cl would be oriented correctly for the -OH to attack and form an epoxide. This would make sucralose a potential carcinogen/mutagen.
Do you truly believe that the synthesis/manufacturing of this is tightly controlled enough to prevent the inevitable contamination of the process with the correct precursor for this impurity to form? I don't know that it's even possible to completely prevent it, but millions of consumers use Splenda every day.
The difference here is that the CB is being injected, essentially bypassing the body's defense mechanisms and allowing it to pass directly into the bloodstream.
I'm not trying to fear monger. These are just things that I think about way too much.
lukiss96
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Unpopular opinion:
I think not enough people talk about, let alone appreciate Equipoise for it's cosmetic effect and similarities to Primobolan. All that at 60-70% of cost. In my opinion that's a truly underrated steroid.
nightprowler7
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I would never use EQ just based on the fact it causes BLD-induced hepatorenal damage.
Never mind the crippling anxiety and trying to balance your e2.
I have seen guys on EQ and I do like the veiny look though!
lukiss96
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I believe this kidney damage myth is getting debunked by respected community members pretty effectively. We will see what the future holds though.
Second part, I personally never experienced and never understood how some people react that way. Never had any low e2 and still needed an AI, anxiety? No more aggression maybe. We are all different point proven once again.
nightprowler7
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I absolutely respect your opinion man, you definitely know your stuff based on your post history. I guess we all weight the risks of certain steroids we introduce into our own bodies. Ya know what I mean?
I personally would not use EQ because I was an alcoholic for a very long time in my younger years, so my kidney health is paramount.
Here are some articles you might find interesting. I'm still doing more research into EQ but so far I'm not comfortable using it
Boldenone Undecylenate-Mediated Hepatorenal Impairment by Oxidative Damage and Dysregulation of Heat Shock Protein 90 and Androgen Receptors Expressions: Vitamin C Preventive Role - PubMed
Boldenone Undecylenate (BLD) is a synthetic derivative of testosterone and a widely used anabolic androgenic steroid. The health risk of BLD use as a pharmaceutical or dietary supplement is still underestimated and under-reported. Vitamin C (VC) has been recognized as an antioxidant with...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
Boldenone undecylenate disrupts the immune system and induces autoimmune clinical hypothyroidism in rats: Vitamin C ameliorative effects - PubMed
The present study was designed to evaluate the effects of boldenone undecylenate (BL) abuse alone and in combination with vitamin C (VC) on the immune responses and thyroid structure and function in rats. Thirty adult male Wistar rats were randomly divided into five equal groups and were...
pubmed.ncbi.nlm.nih.gov
lukiss96
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Cool man, we all should play it safe and sometimes less is more. We also gotta work around our injuries, not only physical but also mental. I read about eq and kidneys yes, thanks, I will check these links too. I agree it's not that safe and we need time and further investigation.I absolutely respect your opinion man, you definitely know your stuff based on your post history. I guess we all weight the risks of certain steroids we introduce into our own bodies. Ya know what I mean?
I personally would not use EQ because I was an alcoholic for a very long time in my younger years, so my kidney health is paramount.
Here are some articles you might find interesting. I'm still doing more research into EQ but so far I'm not comfortable using it
Boldenone Undecylenate-Mediated Hepatorenal Impairment by Oxidative Damage and Dysregulation of Heat Shock Protein 90 and Androgen Receptors Expressions: Vitamin C Preventive Role - PubMed
Boldenone Undecylenate (BLD) is a synthetic derivative of testosterone and a widely used anabolic androgenic steroid. The health risk of BLD use as a pharmaceutical or dietary supplement is still underestimated and under-reported. Vitamin C (VC) has been recognized as an antioxidant with...Boldenone undecylenate disrupts the immune system and induces autoimmune clinical hypothyroidism in rats: Vitamin C ameliorative effects - PubMed
The present study was designed to evaluate the effects of boldenone undecylenate (BL) abuse alone and in combination with vitamin C (VC) on the immune responses and thyroid structure and function in rats. Thirty adult male Wistar rats were randomly divided into five equal groups and were...
It's a very interesting steroid that has a lot of mysteries and myths surrounding it. So far the conclusion has been that it's not safe and not good at all. It's getting some spotlight now in this era that we live now. All steroids are actually getting attention, which is awesome and if this keeps progressing we will soon know a lot more than 5 years ago.
In regards to safety, it's true Testosterone and Primobolan are considered the gold standard.
I believe you got to find what works for you without damaging yourself. So if masteron is working for you, probably you should stick to it. It's not some toxic drug after all. Benefits vs risk at the end of the day.
By the way congratulations on becoming a healthier version of yourself, that alone is some great achievement!
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