Pristine Anabolics Intro

[Weights & Measures]

The BrianNOLA sample of Bold Cyp that contained the Deca includes pictures. One small unused vial and a fresh in the pack syringe. How’s the deca get in the vial?

Then stevanov submits in a used vial but all that is detected is the bold cyp.

I’m confused as to why you brought all that up but it doesn’t appear to have any bearing on the results.

To whom is this post directed?

 

[Tinytim]

off topic but wtf? This fucking trensomnia is ridiculous. I only started running it roughly two weeks ago. 200mg 2 x week tren e. Then 200mg test e/c. 2x a week. It’s ridiculous how bad my sleep has been. Any legit suggestions fellas? I’m so close to just calling it quits ithe tren and ordering some deca . Fml

Tren E, quit now and sides might subside in about 10 days or more. I never understood Tren E. I can handle Ace, but not E.
Should any probs arise, Ace will clear in days, Enth takes weeks

 

[Electrician family man]

Tren E, quit now and sides might subside in about 10 days or more. I never understood Tren E. I can handle Ace, but not E.
Should any probs arise, Ace will clear in days, Enth takes weeks

I hear you. I ran ace a few time and enethate a couple times each in the past. I had some light insomnia but not nearly as rough as this go around .

 

[88general88]

Rocket science.

Who fucking does that ?? For real what a waste of whatever it cost to test. Unless there was motive, which seems more and more like what is going on. When .I say motive, to sway peoples thought, create a environment of chaos where trenity has no other option than to try and put out the fires best as possible, like replace product that didn't need replacing. Or caughing up store credit when shit sample were sent in. I for one would clip the idiots who sent in the sample in nandrolone vials asking or store credit. Sorry no more business fucko. That's just me, no reason to reward someone for a job not well done. something hinky going on.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

That's the $64,000 question.

PPL had his domestic supplier busted.
He's still slinging raws like it never happened

Titter had overdosed gear and a single incident of a floater.
No one said a single negative word.

ARL had two underdosed tests and a piss poor attitude.
Torches are lit and ready to burn.

Venom was wanted out before test results even came back.
Torces were lit from day 1.

Pharmasourse can't dose properly to save his life.
No one seemed to give much of a shit.

Hilma fucked up with low fill levels and (anecdotally) bunk Clen. They're cool to stay.

Anabolic Store pissed off a customer regarding a refund.
Torches are lit and ready to burn.

There is no standard. The bar for acceptable fuckups changes with each source and how well they're liked by the loudest mouths of Meso.

I think it’s pretty simple. Mistakes happen. We all understand that. It’s how the mistakes are handled that’s important.

ARL is a total cunt so that’s why he gets torched.

Venom was a dick from day 1 and guys came over from a canadia source board to warm us. He was a total dick the entire time he was here so he got burned from day 1. He had no chance and look at that his gear was bad anyway. No 2nd chance for that fuckstick.

Pharmasource and TGI make mistakes but they seem to genuinely own up to them. TGI has been very easy to work with. We call him out, he changes. And look at the success he’s had here.

The torches haven’t caught this Pristine thread to the point of burning it down. I think that’s because he’s shown POTENTIAL. But I’m not sure how many chances he gets. The product testing is a step in the right direction. Unlike ARL who disappears entirely, @Trenity checks in, shows he’s around. But he should do MORE of that. I think he’s got supportive customers because his shit was apparently good. This latest round of testing might be the dagger that puts him down unless he can quickly turn it around. I’m not sure how he’s gonna do that though.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

To whom is this post directed?

Sorry, that was directed at you.

It sounded like you were calling the samplers into question.

But the BrianNOLA sample that had the deca in the bold cyp was correctly submitted.

The stevanov sample of bold cyp that you analyzed and reported as correctly dosed bold cyp was the one submitted in a used vial??

You went into a bunch of hypotheticals that don’t appear to have occurred at least for those two specific samples.

The latest Jano reports have multiple different compounds identified, I can understand the 18 ga needle hypothesis you proposed but BrianNOLA uses fresh needles for every sample. I just don’t see how that explains away the deca that started this whole mess in the first place.

I completely agree with you, the capped bottle submittal makes the most sense. I didn’t realize someone submitted a sample in a used vial. That’s retarded. And guys that are on cycles including multiple compounds can inadvertently cross contaminant their own vials before possibly submitting a sample later.

 

[janoshik]

The latest Jano reports have multiple different compounds identified, I can understand the 18 ga needle hypothesis you proposed but BrianNOLA uses fresh needles for every sample. I just don’t see how that explains away the deca that started this whole mess in the first place.

Except there was no test e at all among the Stevonovs samples.

Also, if it was user caused contamination, it wouldn't show same amount in both vials, as the needle would get flushed with the first sampling, even if the needle was used multiple times.

Also, it would dilute the bold cyp, which would lead to lower concentration than measured.

I guess I can say that I ruled out user error pretty well here.

 

[TX_Hempknight]

I think it’s pretty simple. Mistakes happen. We all understand that. It’s how the mistakes are handled that’s important.

ARL is a total cunt so that’s why he gets torched.

Venom was a dick from day 1 and guys came over from a canadia source board to warm us. He was a total dick the entire time he was here so he got burned from day 1. He had no chance and look at that his gear was bad anyway. No 2nd chance for that fuckstick.

Pharmasource and TGI make mistakes but they seem to genuinely own up to them. TGI has been very easy to work with. We call him out, he changes. And look at the success he’s had here.

The torches haven’t caught this Pristine thread to the point of burning it down. I think that’s because he’s shown POTENTIAL. But I’m not sure how many chances he gets. The product testing is a step in the right direction. Unlike ARL who disappears entirely, @Trenity checks in, shows he’s around. But he should do MORE of that. I think he’s got supportive customers because his shit was apparently good. This latest round of testing might be the dagger that puts him down unless he can quickly turn it around. I’m not sure how he’s gonna do that though.

This sums it up pretty nicely. Titter caught hell but listened and implemented changes. Kept a forum presence and listens to all feedback. sending PIP samples out, testing raws and finished goods. Really went the extra step in my opinion.

 

[Tinytim]

I hear you. I ran ace a few time and enethate a couple times each in the past. I had some light insomnia but not nearly as rough as this go around .

Im just happy you got some good shit.

 

[88general88]

Sorry, that was directed at you.

It sounded like you were calling the samplers into question.

But the BrianNOLA sample that had the deca in the bold cyp was correctly submitted.

The stevanov sample of bold cyp that you analyzed and reported as correctly dosed bold cyp was the one submitted in a used vial??

You went into a bunch of hypotheticals that don’t appear to have occurred at least for those two specific samples.

The latest Jano reports have multiple different compounds identified, I can understand the 18 ga needle hypothesis you proposed but BrianNOLA uses fresh needles for every sample. I just don’t see how that explains away the deca that started this whole mess in the first place.

I completely agree with you, the capped bottle submittal makes the most sense. I didn’t realize someone submitted a sample in a used vial. That’s retarded. And guys that are on cycles including multiple compounds can inadvertently cross contaminant their own vials before possibly submitting a sample later.

Not trying to be captain save a hoe here, but I think his point in stating the 18gauge needle issue was in regards to what (your right) hypothetically seemed like 20 or so mgs could have come from. Something else to take away from the fact he started all this shit by accepting a fucked up sample. Talk about greed.

Personally, i don’t get why he would even accept samples that are sent in used containers. That’s setting himself up for scrutiny. So the poor pity me shit is in fact incredibly immature, if maturity is being brought up. Hey W&M ever heard of taking responsibilities for your own actions. Should have pulled out the stops long ago.

 

[BigBaldBeardGuy]

Not trying to be captain save a hoe here, but I think his point in stating the 18gauge needle issue was in regards to what (your right) hypothetically seemed like 20 or so mgs could have come from. Something else to take away from the fact he started all this shit by accepting a fucked up sample. Talk about greed.

Personally, i don’t get why he would even accept samples that are sent in used containers. That’s setting himself up for scrutiny. So the poor pity me shit is in fact incredibly immature, if maturity is being brought up. Hey W&M ever heard of taking responsibilities for your own actions. Should have pulled out the stops long ago.

Here's the picture he always includes when he submits samples. How's the deca get in there from the needle? I think @Joedaddy5150 has submitted more recent samples than anyone else here. He knows what he's doing.

 

[Sp2.0]

Ok, so I heard back from the chemist.

Stevonov sent 3 samples that day, and retests were performed today on all 3. Guess who paid for that.

The sample in question, (marked “B” when I received it), did NOT contain ANY testosterone enanthate. There was a contaminate of 1.06mg/ml nandrolone decanoate; but nothing else besides the boldenone cypionate.

His sample “C” had multiple contaminants of testosterone propionate 1.15mg/ml, and drostanolone propionate 2mg/ml (EQ was the main compound).

You can look back in this same thread where I disclosed that the chemist asked me why there wasn’t nandrolone in the vial when the label states nandrolone. I told him on that day that he should pay no attention to any labels and to consider all vials contaminated unless they were sealed, original packaging.

These values were not reported for two reasons:
1) They are insignificant. (I am unsure where the cutoff for “insignificance” is; but I resulted a 7mg contaminate to one person and a 10.2mg contaminate to another this weekend)

2) The samples were mailed to me in used vials with “Nandrolone Decanoate” on the labels. I believe they were Norma Hella brand vials.

There will be absolutely ZERO free retests on samples sent to me that were obviously not procured with the same degree of accuracy that you are demanding of the testing.

Why? Because the test results can be no more reliable than the sample quality.

In fact, the suggestion of getting something for free when results are unfavorable seems to be a more and more common occurrence here. From where does this sense of entitlement stem? The mention of it is just irritating and juvenile.

A while back, the chemist actually did retest a sample for free that was poorly procured. The sample contained a lot of water because the vial wasn’t dried properly before the sample was added. I went to the chemist and requested this retest for free because it was an honest mistake by the guy and he tried to make sure the vial was clean. More importantly, the guy was nice about it and didn’t automatically start flinging accusations.

I really don’t care if it offends people; but there are many people here that need to grow up. The childish fits and entitlement are just absurd anymore.

In second fact (and I will post this in my thread), I will no longer accept any oil samples unless they are in an unopened/unused vial. I don’t care if it is homebrew or PharmaCom or Watson. There has to be someone to take a step in preventing this unnecessary drama; and the potential for sample contamination is just too great when brewers and testers are all on continuous trial here. Contrary to modern thinking, the customer does have a degree of responsibility/accountability. If you want something for free, contact your source for replacement.

Now, as for the what if(s) and what happened(s): I don’t know; and I really don’t see how anyone could know. You question the brewer and the testers; but not the sample that was sent in a used vial that once contained a different compound?? Am I the only person who cannot find the logic in this line of thinking?

Just for grins, does anyone know the hold out volume of an 18ga x 1” needle? I do: it is 0.075ml.

Now, lets assume that someone used an 18gax1” needle, drew up some T-400, and injected the entire syringe contents into one sample vial. Then a sample of another compound was drawn up and injected into a different sample vial. Seems reasonable, right?

Wrong. That 18ga needle will hold exactly 30mg of T-400 or 22.5mg of Test E300 or 18.75mg of Test-E250 etc, etc.; and you can’t even tell it is there.

Did this happen? I don’t know.

Did Pristine sell cross contaminated products? I don’t know.

Did Jano find something that my chemist didn’t? Yes, he sure did; but my chemist didn’t find it because IT WASN’T THERE.

By deductive reasoning, it seems as if the sample I got and Jano got were from two different bottles. See post #5860.

I feel very strongly about the careless flinging of accusations about incompetence that goes on here. I think this is particularly inflammatory because, in my job, I have patients tell me and other providers that their primary care doctors are incompetent because they didn’t keep them from having heart attacks or strokes or whatever malady they are affected by……..it’s always someone else’s fault. All the while, these same patients are smoking and eating crap diets and sitting on the couch playing candy crush for 12 hours a day; but they feel like their hours on WebMD have given them superiority in intelligence and the right to question my judgement.

I believe that analytical chemistry is the primary income source for Jano; and I know for sure that it is what my guy does for a living.

My point is that the skill of the brewer and the competence of the chemist ALWAYS is questioned first here. Why? Do you all really believe that a layperson is better at removing every trace of compound from a used vial or syringe/needle than an analytical chemist is at analyzing chemicals? Ridiculous.

And before I forget: @egonormical1010 ; Spelling is not the forte, nor is English the first language of the analytical chemist that I use. I have seen the spelling errors; but I am unable to alter reports and I choose what I make an effort to nitpick. You may not know this but published analytical reports for legitimate pharmaceutical companies are reviewed for quite some time, for grammar, spelling, scientific legitimacy, etc., before publishing. I am quite certain that spelling errors are corrected in editing. If you would like to finance formal editing before these reports are disseminated; please get with me about sending the funds. Otherwise, pick your battles more wisely.

You could've simply came in here when @jano tagged you initially and explained all this without needing to perform a retest and get your panties in a bunch.

If you would've said your chemist does and did test for multiple compounds and found none that would've cleared it all up at least on your guys results being different.

If you got offended because your chemist was questioned you should get over it. You started the business and since your essentially a reshipper you may be questioned on occasion, not as big of a deal as you're attempting to make it out to be.

 

[Brawny]

It’s just more efficient for one person to spend 20 seconds peeling off a label than for another to spend a day defending allegations.

Why not make it a requirement that people buy the tiny vials with screw on lids that Jano had suggested in another thread? Then the customer isn’t out an entire vial of gear and you’re getting clean vials?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Every bit of the process from brewing to testing is subject to question. It just is. There’s no way around it.

Nobody watches Pristine’s operation. Nobody else watches any of the guys submitting testing. A few photo doesn’t REALLY prove anything though it’s better than nothing. And starting with a clean vial doesn’t mean it cant be contaminated either by accident or on purpose.

The entirety of the process is trust based.

 

[Brawny]

Every bit of the process from brewing to testing is subject to question. It just is. There’s no way around it.

Nobody watches Pristine’s operation. Nobody else watches any of the guys submitting testing. A few photo doesn’t REALLY prove anything though it’s better than nothing. And starting with a clean vial doesn’t mean it cant be contaminated either by accident or on purpose.

The entirety of the process is trust based.

If someone really wanted to do something nefarious to bring down a source, they could just buy shit gear from another source like ARL and peel the label off before sending it in. Then just claim it’s a different source.

You’re right, this entire process is trust based from all parties involved. The Chemist on this board need to be held to as high a standard, if not higher than the sources. They’re essentially our quality control. So they can’t get their panties in a bunch just because they get questioned over results.

 

[iceman440]

If someone really wanted to do something nefarious to bring down a source, they could just buy shit gear from another source like ARL and peel the label off before sending it in. Then just claim it’s a different source.

You’re right, this entire process is trust based from all parties involved. The Chemist on this board need to be held to as high a standard, if not higher than the sources. They’re essentially our quality control. So they can’t get their panties in a bunch just because they get questioned over results.

That is why the sources should send in their own product for testing.

 

[blvck]

AFAIK, best way to know your product is legit is you send it off yourself to testing. Sources should send their finished products in too before shipping. Don't base judgement off of one member's test results if it's inconclusive, last few pages of this thread didn't make much sense. Best way would be to move forward and see what mr @Trinity has to offer as of now. but that's just my opinion

 

[88general88]

I never once would ever question. BrianNoLa’s putting together samples. He has proved himself, and done his best to removed any questionable doubt when sampling.

 

[T-Bagger]

That is why the sources should send in their own product for testing.

Yes and no. Source sends in their own samples and they will send in their best and not necessarily what they send to customers. As evidenced by this source, when he sent his own sample of Bold Cyp, it tested pure, what was sent in from Brian and Stevonov told completely different stories.

 

[Brawny]

Both the source and members need to send samples in for testing. It should always be in the sources head, that a member could check behind them to ensure the results were fabricated. Accountability