Ready to Quit

[Jace the ace]

So recently, I have decided to quite juicing altogether and today marks the last day of my cycle. Which was 9 weeks of testosterone Acetate at 900mg. Testosterone acetate has a similar half life to prop, so wondering if waiting 10 days to start pct would be about right? Also in the 10 day window if I should do one more shot of hcg?

I started juicing when I was 20 (180lb, I am now 23 (195lb very lean) @ 5'7". I know it was very young. Now that I am ready to quit and be natural. What are the chances of returning to a natural state of testosterone production for my age, I understand a lot of it is genetic? Also, will I still be able to make gains or keep any of the gains I made while juicing?

Thanks,

Any help is appreciated.

-Jace

 

[Wood4days]

How many cycles have you done?

 

[Jace the ace]

I would say a total of 8-10, would do about 3 a year, always came off and always post cycled. Usually cycle length were 8-10 weeks. Normally waited cycle length + pct before starting back up, but will admit I cut a couple recoveries short by a couple weeks. Majority were test only, but I did use tren (twice), var (once), dbol (once)

How many cycles have you done?

 

[Wood4days]

8-10 cycles and you only manage to gain 15 lbs?

Something is wrong here.

 

[Rockclimber]

Yeah, you need to rethink your workout schedule and daily macro breakdown. I have only cycled 3x in my 20s and went from 175 to 220, test only.
I would do a normal PCT and then wait a decade before getting back into vitamin S. Do your HCG 2 days after the last shot and start PCT by day 3. I am sure others have different advice but with prop halflife being so short I would not wait 10 days to start PCT.

 

[Jace the ace]

8-10 cycles and you only manage to gain 15 lbs?

Something is wrong here.

Yes, really depends on your goals and what you were using them for. The most I ever weighed was 202lb. I did Olympic lifting and Crossfit (which was a stupid waste of time since it destroyed any gains made) not body building. Lifts were c&j 365lb, snatch 280lb, dead (550lb), squat (500lb) all at 193lb. I know it doesn't seem like much but 195lb at 5'7" is not very small, I understand it's not above 200lb. If I were to continue with juice it would be body building as that is my routine currently, but I have decided not to.

 

[Jace the ace]

Yeah, you need to rethink your workout schedule and daily macro breakdown. I have only cycled 3x in my 20s and went from 175 to 220, test only.
I would do a normal PCT and then wait a decade before getting back into vitamin S. Do your HCG 2 days after the last shot and start PCT by day 3. I am sure others have different advice but with prop halflife being so short I would not wait 10 days to start PCT.

Believe me I know how to eat, as mentioned in my last message above my goal wasn't bodybuilding during my usage it was for Olympic lifting and Crossfit (which was pointless) but I was in the top 100 of California at one point. I consumed 4K calories a day but also trained 4 hrs a day, 2 in morning (strength) and 2 at night (cardio) and still I burnt through calories like crazy. Trained 6 days a week. If you could gain like that and do 2 hrs cardio based workouts a night, please enlighten me on diet method, because I would definitely follow. Now eat less calories, 5-6 meals a day roughly 500 cals a meal, all meal prepped, and I go months without cheat meals, but follow bodybuilding routine.

 

[master.on]

So recently, I have decided to quite juicing altogether and today marks the last day of my cycle. Which was 9 weeks of testosterone Acetate at 900mg. Testosterone acetate has a similar half life to prop, so wondering if waiting 10 days to start pct would be about right? Also in the 10 day window if I should do one more shot of hcg?

I started juicing when I was 20 (180lb, I am now 23 (195lb very lean) @ 5'7". I know it was very young. Now that I am ready to quit and be natural. What are the chances of returning to a natural state of testosterone production for my age, I understand a lot of it is genetic? Also, will I still be able to make gains or keep any of the gains I made while juicing?

Thanks,

Any help is appreciated.

-Jace

Were you on juice for 3 years nonstop?

Still I'm pretty sure you can recover at 23
but be aware that's going to take some months
on the bright side it shouldn't be too expensive

a good starting protocol is
250 IU 2x/week (for a total 500 IU/week)
and Letro just 1 2.5 mg tab a week
get Total Testosterone and Estradiol blood tests after a month
post results so HCG/Letro dose can be adjusted

The rationale for this protocol is
There are basically 3 things that shutdown natural Testosterone:

1 High Estrogen
This is the most potent one to shut you down
that's why tiny dose Aromatase Inhibitors (to reduce Estrogen) or SERMs to make the pituitary believe there's less Estrogen, so it makes more LH/FSH.

2 Androgens
While mg for mg Androgens are less suppressive than Estrogens, Androgens are used in such high doses that they suppress pituitary LH/FSH production too.

3 Progestins
Some steroids have Progestagenic (Progesterone-like) activity
like Deca, Tren.

we could add a fourth one
4 Prolactin
but is often comes from high Estrogen
it is very rare to have a pituitary tumor producing large amounts of it.

So
low LH (and FSH to a lesser degree)
causes the testis to reduce their Testosterone (and sperm) producing capability.
That's why we add HCG
because it has LH (and a little FSH)-like activity to stimulate the testis to become active again.

While recovery may take time it is going to be quite economical
at 500 IU/week a 5000 IU vial (you check prices yourself) will last 10 weeks.
Even if HCG dosage is later bumped to 1000 IU/week, a 5000 IU vial will last 5 weeks.
For Letro a 30 tabs box will last 30 weeks! 15 weeks if dosage is later bumped to 2 tabs a week.
Just add blood test prices to the above



Now watch idiot shills begin insulting and spitting nonsense
as they have lost a potential TRT customer

 

[Jace the ace]

Were you on juice for 3 years nonstop?

Still I'm pretty sure you can recover at 23
but be aware that's going to take some months
on the bright side it shouldn't be too expensive

a good starting protocol is
250 IU 2x/week (for a total 500 IU/week)
and Letro just 1 2.5 mg tab a week
get Total Testosterone and Estradiol blood tests after a month
post results so HCG/Letro dose can be adjusted

The rationale for this protocol is
There are basically 3 things that shutdown natural Testosterone:

1 High Estrogen
This is the most potent one to shut you down
that's why tiny dose Aromatase Inhibitors (to reduce Estrogen) or SERMs to make the pituitary believe there's less Estrogen, so it makes more LH/FSH.

2 Androgens
While mg for mg Androgens are less suppressive than Estrogens, Androgens are used in such high doses that they suppress pituitary LH/FSH production too.

3 Progestins
Some steroids have Progestagenic (Progesterone-like) activity
like Deca, Tren.

we could add a fourth one
4 Prolactin
but is often comes from high Estrogen
it is very rare to have a pituitary tumor producing large amounts of it.

So
low LH (and FSH to a lesser degree)
causes the testis to reduce their Testosterone (and sperm) producing capability.
That's why we add HCG
because it has LH (and a little FSH)-like activity to stimulate the testis to become active again.

While recovery may take time it is going to be quite economical
at 500 IU/week a 5000 IU vial (you check prices yourself) will last 10 weeks.
Even if HCG dosage is later bumped to 1000 IU/week, a 5000 IU vial will last 5 weeks.
For Letro a 30 tabs box will last 30 weeks! 15 weeks if dosage is later bumped to 2 tabs a week.
Just add blood test prices to the above



Now watch idiot shills begin insulting and spitting nonsense
as they have lost a potential TRT customer

Appreciate all the information. No, was not on consecutively. Would come off after every cycle following a proper pct protocol.

By taking letro 1.5 a week. I am assuming you split the dosage as normal probably like .5 every other day to keep blood levels stable?

 

[master.on]

Appreciate all the information. No, was not on consecutively. Would come off after every cycle following a proper pct protocol.

By taking letro 1.5 a week. I am assuming you split the dosage as normal probably like .5 every other day to keep blood levels stable?

Yes split dosage as much as you can
if using tabs you can only realistically cut tabs to quarters
that's ok

 

[BirdieNumNum]

I hit it solid for 3-4years and I recovered. After a few years of hell haha so yea, you'll recover.