Source Testing Group (thoughts, ideas & opinions)

[B Ware]

How the group started:
Through the years I have seen that simple donation did not work. The proof @ShankHunt received really little donation. I have spent more than 10 years on forum. When Qingdao arrived, I left some messages to suggest to share the cost of lab test. One member contacted me @AD. Then we talked about how to make a group and to get other people on board. After getting more members we were able to pay our first lab test.

We use skype for talking. Probably not the best but we have the possibility to vote there.
Because one of our strengths is we do not have a boss. Everyone is equal. We vote for everything/anything. Everyone has some missions. Example mine is to talk for the group and to contact sources.

Most important is transparency. We are transparent on each step of the process. We have no interest and earn nothing from this group.
All our tests are blind tests. We take photos of product, package etc, for proof.

Our goal:
Harm reduction for everyone, not only for the group.
A big part of our test lab are public. We will do our best to have all of them public.
If we really find something harmful, we will tell it to the world straight away.
Having some power over the sources in order to get more test labs. All for health safety.
Since we started, we have noticed already a big change on many sources on meso FR. Nowadays they all publish lab tests. Which was not always the case before. So again, this part has helped everyone.

What the group is really about:
One thing that most of you do not know, is that we are not just a group of lab tester. We are a group of bodybuilding passionate people. We exchange on many topics. We are all friends there. One of our unwritten rule is to try to participate in our conversation once in a while for example.
This privacy gives us a space where we can talk a bit more freely

Rules:
There was no rule at first. Over the time we all make rules together. All pretty fair. However, no one can cross them without getting a sanction.

Sources:
We play fair with all sources. We try to collaborate with them as much as possible in a total transparency with everyone.
@Liska here can testify. We never ask or accept money or product in return of favor. No source knows what the test lab is before paying for it. This guaranty the honesty of everyone.
On that point I can say that the sources who collaborate with us are the most professional ones. They know they have good product and nothing to hide. I thank them for that.

Money:
It seems that money management is an issue for some.
The group is like a car. Without fuel it does not go anywhere. You need money to keep testing.
Member started by putting 25e each. Over the time whoever wanted to add money have done it. This was a big help at first. Now we also rely on refund from sources. Both combined have help us to pay for around 20 test labs. Thousands of dollars fund raised and spent. This is just the beginning of it.
No one in the group make any money, or get free gears or anything else. Some sources add a bit extra for postage and product, that is it.

A secret!
For the stingiest people. The truth is we share good tips about cryto, and some other special tips. So, at the end a lot members got much more than what they spent for participation.


Where to start to make a US group:
Get some trusted members. Talk together. Put money in a pot and start.
Choose carefully who handle the money, etc.
It will grow by itself little by little.
Bear in mind, this ask a lot of work and time.

I will be happy to answer any question that could help to set up a US group.
I will not answer crying babies who keep asking for all lab tests. As I said it all depends of sources if they are out or not. Ask them directly why it is not out.

Thank you for the time you put into this.

I hate that the first post after such a thoughtful post was, “who ever handles the money better not run off with it”. I’m not sure we have the right crew here to put together and accomplish what you guys have done. When you walk into the door here nearly no one ask where the admins/mods are as it’s quite obvious there are none. Lol


Again, thank you for putting the time in to trying to help us accomplish what you guys have. I admire everything you French guys have with your brotherhood and hope we can accomplish the same in the future here.

 

[L0ND0N]

Ideally a country most sources will be able to ship to without issues as well, which brings us back to France.

Courier shipping to Jano costs about 10-15€ though there are cheaper options available.

Shipping to Jano from France cost between 3,98e to 5,48e depending of the weight of the package.
Pretty good

 

[Cashton]

Thank you for the time you put into this.

I hate that the first post after such a thoughtful post was, “who ever handles the money better not run off with it”. I’m not sure we have the right crew here to put together and accomplish what you guys have done. When you walk into the door here nearly no one ask where the admins/mods are as it’s quite obvious there are none. Lol


Again, thank you for putting the time in to trying to help us accomplish what you guys have. I admire everything you French guys have with your brotherhood and hope we can accomplish the same in the future here.

It’s better with no mods and admins.. no censorship…

 

[AD.]

Thank you for the time you put into this.

I hate that the first post after such a thoughtful post was, “who ever handles the money better not run off with it”. I’m not sure we have the right crew here to put together and accomplish what you guys have done. When you walk into the door here nearly no one ask where the admins/mods are as it’s quite obvious there are none. Lol


Again, thank you for putting the time in to trying to help us accomplish what you guys have. I admire everything you French guys have with your brotherhood and hope we can accomplish the same in the future here.

I think there are trustful people here too. If just 2 or 3 guys manage to start a group of test it can be way more powerful here cause the US section is probably the main forum of MesoRx. As London (@Atlanta) said, testing the sources gives power for us, the consumers. We are the ones who take risks by using UGL products. We have only 1 health.

 

[Cashton]

Shipping to Jano from France cost between 3,98e to 5,48e depending of the weight of the package.
Pretty good

Wow that’s awesome, we will need someone eu based for sure.

 

[B Ware]

It’s better with no mods and admins.. no censorship…

Yes and no. To sum it up, we are a bunch of wild animals just running around going ape shit. We are not civilized by no means. But, we also set the standard for testing and do an excellent job of harm reduction by destroying sources that don’t come correct. There’s give and take. Take the board PM for instance, excellent board. Those guys know their shit and when I want a answer for something related to this lifestyle I usually gather it there but I know that I better be on my best behavior as just speaking out against a source or disagreeing with the wrong person could get me banned. Just would be great if there was a happy medium

 

[Forthewin1123]

Thank you for this, that’s awesome to know, we will need to find someone trustworthy in EU to do this.

This makes sense .. why send from US.. save alot of money and time..duh..I know it's complicated and such.. but it really would be a great thing.. but it's alot of work to do something that " the sources should be fucking doing""..

 

[Pounds23]

I would be down to also donate if anyone does put something together dm me and I will also keep my eyes on the thread... Hopefully something like this does happen it'd be nice to get some blind testing to keep these srcs in check.... We need some more srcs like liska that actually legitimately know what there doing and care about the person at the end

 

[Pounds23]

Wow that’s awesome, we will need someone eu based for sure.

Damn that's crazy I know shipping from the states isn't to cheap from talking to skank

 

[Liska]

This makes sense .. why send from US.. save alot of money and time..duh..I know it's complicated and such.. but it really would be a great thing.. but it's alot of work to do something that " the sources should be fucking doing""..

...the sources... can't be fucking doing... blind testing... on their own product...

 

[Forthewin1123]

...the sources... can't be fucking doing... blind testing... on their own product...

I wasn't speaking to blind testing.. I was speaking to the ones that have raw or oils woth minimum or no testing at all..
You test everything before you sell it.. you do it tje right way..

 

[Liska]

I wasn't speaking to blind testing.. I was speaking to the ones that have raw or oils woth minimum or no testing at all..
You test everything before you sell it.. you do it tje right way..

You're missing the point, as sources can realistically produce a library of pristine labtests that may not match their actual products at all (or only initially by pulling a bait and switch later on), and regular blind testing by members is the only way to catch this and other kinds of product manipulation.

 

[Jestopherson]

Well once we have a number of guys who are interested we can settle on a few sources and decide if it's raws or finished domestic products that we want tested. I've got some hu cialis I've been meaning to test haha

 

[Forthewin1123]

You're missing the point, as sources can realistically produce a library of pristine labtests that may not match their actual products at all (or only initially by pulling a bait and switch later on), and regular blind testing by members is the only way to catch this and other kinds of product manipulation.

I'm not missing the point.. i get the point .. I just added those last 2 sentences in at tje end beciase so many don't do the basics period..
If we insisted sources reimburse testing it would avoid most if this need.. and not store credit fuck that.. just an even reimbursement..since they can add the results to their own hplc tests

 

[Forthewin1123]

I'm not missing the point.. i get the point .. I just added those last 2 sentences in at tje end beciase so many don't do the basics period..
If we insisted sources reimburse testing it would avoid most if this need.. and not store credit fuck that.. just an even reimbursement..since they can add the results to their own hplc tests

And let's say ots limited to 1 or 2 a month so people cant.just keep doing it.. then if a few guys raise the money they all get their investment back..

 

[Pounds23]

It’s better with no mods and admins.. no censorship…

Hey cash when and if u pin down a plan for testing please let me know as I would like to contribute with whatever I can , it's deff a good idea as it would keep most srcs on there toes and doing the right thing. I think we would see eventually a good src who tracks batches and test all there raws and can brew and keep it close to label claim. If liska is able to do it there's no reason these other u.s Dom's and intl src can't do the same

 

[Zunbi]

Gracias por esto, es increíble saberlo, necesitaremos encontrar a alguien de confianza en la UE para hacer esto.

Gracias por esto, es increíble saberlo, necesitaremos encontrar a alguien de confianza en la UE para hacer esto.

Podría mandar cosas desde España, aunque si hay más gente de la UE es mejor repartir el trabajo

 

[Liska]

Podría mandar cosas desde España, aunque si hay más gente de la UE es mejor repartir el trabajo

¿Cómo es la configuración y estructura del grupo de pruebas de laboratorio español, si se le permite decirlo? Son muy profesionales y muy importantes para el culturismo en la UE, pero casi desconocidos en Meso.

 

[Zunbi]

I must have been misunderstood, it would be to send it to Jano since they said that the shipment was cheaper from the EU

 

[Liska]

I must have been misunderstood, it would be to send it to Jano since they said that the shipment was cheaper from the EU

My question was independent of that - since there is already a reputable private labtesting group in Spain, I was inquiring what their setup & structure is like, as they are a bit bigger than the Meso FR once iirc.