Steroids, Gynecomastia and Gyno Surgery

[Nasibi]

Google thc puffy nipples. Read the thread a few years old on eroids. Search the thread good- low e2 but puffy nipples here on this forum. I just can't stand this stupid religious menatality. Just like mulsims who think they have it all sorted out, they know with 100% certainty that whatevet bullshit they spew out of their mouths is the ultimate truth and reality. And all other people have it wrong and don't know what they are talking about.

 

[truthwalker]

What I'm saying is you're fucking guessing. Get bloodwork done at the relevant times and then tell me you know what your problem is.

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[truthwalker]

Google thc puffy nipples. Read the thread a few years old on eroids. Search the thread good- low e2 but puffy nipples here on this forum. I just can't stand this stupid religious menatality. Just like mulsims who think they have it all sorted out, they know with 100% certainty that whatevet bullshit they spew out of their mouths is the ultimate truth and reality. And all other people have it wrong and don't know what they are talking about.

Could it be thc? Sure. Do you know it is? No. Therefore, all you are doing is making a subjectively educated guess. That is my only point.

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[Nasibi]

Could it be thc? Sure. Do you know it is? No. Therefore, all you are doing is making a subjectively educated guess. That is my only point.

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Yes, I'm indeed making an educated guess. I never claimed it to be proven science that applies to every single one of us. I don't have the luxury of getting a full blown blood test done, nor do I want to. I have been experimenting with alot of other drugs before I got to use AAS. I'm very well in tune with my body. I can notice the smallest difference any new compound makes on me pretty quickly.
Every drug has different effects/side effects on everyone. I'm sure you're aware of the fact that there are people runninh 500 mg+/wk of test amd sometimes along with othet orals w/o any AI or serm the entire cycle and get no gyno symptoms. While on the hand there are guys who have to take some AI even in their pcts. You can not say hey my friend doesn't take any ai on a g of gear. You saying you getting gyno on 0.5 g is bullshit and you don't know what you're talking about. On a short note thc and progesteron have the same chemical formula c21h30o2, and the moement you go to a gyno surgeon the first q they ask you is if you have been smokinh marijuana ot taking opioids. But that's none of my business. This tea though.

 

[truthwalker]

Yes, I'm indeed making an educated guess. I never claimed it to be proven science that applies to every single one of us. I don't have the luxury of getting a full blown blood test done, nor do I want to. I have been experimenting with alot of other drugs before I got to use AAS. I'm very well in tune with my body. I can notice the smallest difference any new compound makes on me pretty quickly.
Every drug has different effects/side effects on everyone. I'm sure you're aware of the fact that there are people runninh 500 mg+/wk of test amd sometimes along with othet orals w/o any AI or serm the entire cycle and get no gyno symptoms. While on the hand there are guys who have to take some AI even in their pcts. You can not say hey my friend doesn't take any ai on a g of gear. You saying you getting gyno on 0.5 g is bullshit and you don't know what you're talking about. On a short note thc and progesteron have the same chemical formula c21h30o2, and the moement you go to a gyno surgeon the first q they ask you is if you have been smokinh marijuana ot taking opioids. But that's none of my business. This tea though.

To be fair, you make good points in this post. It seemed to me that you were presenting your assertions as fact, without the supporting evidence. I am well aware of the properties of thc that indicate it as a possible cause of progesterone related gyno, but I believe, and I will see if I can find the research to back it up, that those studies have been shown to be biased and not well constructed. I have gyno, had to get a mammogram and whether or not I smoked weed was a question they asked. But that was years ago, and more recent studies have shown a negligible effect on e2.

Reaching into my bag of cobbled together knowledge, the only thing I can think of that does support your point regarding thc and may actually support it even more strongly is that I do think I remember reading the acute effects on e2 are only present in non chronic smokers. Since I'm a chronic smoker, that would explain why I never get puffy nips regardless and why you do.

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[Nasibi]

To be fair, you make good points in this post. It seemed to me that you were presenting your assertions as fact, without the supporting evidence. I am well aware of the properties of thc that indicate it as a possible cause of progesterone related gyno, but I believe, and I will see if I can find the research to back it up, that those studies have been shown to be biased and not well constructed. I have gyno, had to get a mammogram and whether or not I smoked weed was a question they asked. But that was years ago, and more recent studies have shown a negligible effect on e2.

Reaching into my bag of cobbled together knowledge, the only thing I can think of that does support your point regarding thc and may actually support it even more strongly is that I do think I remember reading the acute effects on e2 are only present in non chronic smokers. Since I'm a chronic smoker, that would explain why I never get puffy nips regardless and why you do.

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As I mentioned earlier I can smoke pot and even use Tramadol as much as I want all day every day off cycle. But inject some test and just a few puffs, puffy nipples that only go away weeks after quitting the cycle and staying away from the thc and other drugs. I'm myself a chronic smoker, been smoking pot heavily for the past two years 5-6 full, fat joints a day. I'm not anti marijuana that's why I find this whole situation really tragic. I don't wanna give up on weed but it is what it is. One thing you have to take into consideration is not the effects of a particular drug in isolation but rather in combination with other drugs. That is although thc might not cause gyno issues normally but in some unlucky individuals who may be prone to this condition that when they are running testoesteron, it may cause problems Regardless of how much ai they take and what their e2 and prolactin levels are. It is just something we don't understand 100% yet. The research is very limitted on thc and its co-relation with gyno. Therefore it is not wise to outright reject what is actually happening in the real world in front of our eyes just to stand firm on our theories derived from inconclusive studies.
Yes, what I'm doing is 100% bro science. Because there is no real science at the moement. And at the end of the day what matters the most is the real world results. We don't want gyno, doesn't matter what X study done on mice, who are not on AAS, says. If I eat some herb and I end up going to the emergency as a result of that, it's pretty much clear to me that that particular herb, given in that very that I was in when I consumed it, is toxic to me. No amount of theories or studies can make me consume that herb again, unless it is 100% scientifically proven that there might have been other factors involved.

 

[Nasibi]

By the way you can see John Jones puffy nipples since recently he hopped on steroids. He is a self confessed stoner. Nobody told him that weed could be the cause.

 

[GrizzlyMadisonAdams]

From anabolicmen.com:

"Cruciferous Vegetables like broccoli, kale, brussel sprouts, cauliflower, maca, and so on are filled with some very favorable compounds to decrease your estrogen levels.

1. They’re rich in zinc which is a mineral known to boost testosterone. Zinc also stops the aromatase enzyme from doing its damage on your testosterone levels, so that your T doesn’t convert so easily to estrogen anymore.

2. They’re rich in a compound called Indole-3-Carbinol (I3C) which converts into 3,3-Diindolylmethane (DIM) in your stomach. DIM is known best for its ability to regulate estrogen, which means that it effectively flushes out estrogenic compounds and xeno-estrogens from your body.

Many people like to eat their cruciferous vegetables steamed. However, I believe that when you expose those veggies to too much heat, they’ll lose some of the beneficial nutrients."

Obviously anabolicmen.com is not a 10 year, double-blind, clinical research study with a population of 100,000. But I have seen numerous references to cruciferous vegetables helping to control estrogen and aid in reducing gyno. I'm a firm believer in exploring every avenue and these vegetables are good for you even if they don't help with the gyno.

Cheers

 

[Danny27]

I am creating this sticky as a convenient resource for information about steroids and gynecomastia (aka "gyno", "man-boobs" "bitch tits", etc). It is largely a placeholder at the moment but I hope to include links to more relevant threads in the future. To start, I want to add the first-hand experiences of two veteran members who underwent surgical procedures to remove gyno:

Thanks to @johnnyBALLZ:

Gyno Surgery Pics!!

Thanks to @tileguy123:

Tiles gyno op

Wow that's me taking caution with this cycle ! Thanks for reminder :|

 

[Xtreme Health]

Tiles Gynecomastia Journey.
Surprisingly enough my Gyno History extends much past my AAS History. I was always a wiery boy. Id have to say that in my opionion as a child, and a teen i was more ectomorph than anything, but my genetic is more of Mesomorph, and it shown as I hit adolescence. I started to fill in , my pecs gained definition and size, but as always my nipples were very small. I always had a V waist line, low BF%, and visable abs.
Somewhere around the age of 12 -13 I was put into residential treatment facilities for troubled teens. Around this time or shortly in the years to come, the facilities such as Califronia Youth Authority, and others, issued me alot of different medications, for depression, rage, violence, etc. Medications that i can recant, are : rispidal, depokote, buspar, wellbutrin, zoloft, zyprexa, seroquil, and ridilin/adarol . This is in the mid to late 1990s, and i have no clue on dosages, or combinations of medications being prescribed to me at that time. Lets say the switch happened at 15 years old. I was approximately 140 pounds, and within 3Months of a certain medication combo, i was lethargic, slower than normal, mentally, and physically, as if there was no more fight in me. I gained 120 pounds of pure fat. 260 Pounds . I remember vividly pounding the shit out of a few people while I had that weight behind my blows. Not to say I didn't wield a punch before , lol. All I can remember is when we discontinued the medications, the weight fell off as fast as it came . I was left with stretch marks on my inner biceps, and on my butt, and hip areas. No loose skin was to be found miraculously, But glandular tissue had developed under my aerolas. My nipples remained forever ''puffy'' .
It Mentally deflating. It could be seen through looser garmets like a cotton shirt . It ruins ones want to go to the local swimming pool, let alone date to some extent. It would be one thing to be born with something, you grow up accepting, but seeing a change in what you admired, to what becomes a mental tumor is a difficult thing. I felt alone, dont think I ever spoke with anyone regarding the matter. At this time the internet wasn't what it is now, you couldn't just Google an answer up or compare cliff notes. One thing I remember doing, this entire last 17 years of living with Gynecomastia, was pinching my nipples before posing, or taking my shirt off, or swimming, as it will give the immediate effect of a smaller original sized nipple for all of 5 minutes. For what ever reason the skin retracts or contracts irrgardless of whether there is glandular tissue behind it or not. I remember in 2012 reading for the first time a realself experience, or maybe it was BB.com idk, but someone else had done the turn your back, and pinch your nipples thing for years too!!!! I remember breathing a sigh of relief, it wasnt just me .
Im not here to quote the occurance of Gyno in males , puberty induced, or other. Im here to share my experience with mine. There is alot of mystery surrounding causes and whether a case of puffy nipples is indeed gynocomastia, or is it fat? Is it pseudo gynecomastia or real gynecomastia? All these things should be questioned. Is there glandular tissue, and extra fat beyond the perimeter of the areola that needs to be addressed as well? But from what Ive gathered , when there is a puffy nipple that was once not that way, it seemingly is the cause of a hard tissue gland behind it. It made my nipples look more dome shaped. I could squeeze behind them and feel hard material , the size of almonds. There seemed to be more than just one lump under each, it spread to the outside perimeter around the nipple.
In 2014 I was on AAS 8 months of the year. The difference was pretty non existent. Then I pushed up to 1g of Test Eth per week, and added DBOL into the equation for a short stint. Arimidex had worked for me previously, but I was making a switch to using Xstane, and at the time wasnt taking it frequently enough, or enough of a dosage to combat the estrogen that was being created . At that time I remember waking up heavier and heavier every day, and my nipples itched, and were as puffy as Ive ever witnessed. The nipple appeared swollen to the max, and at that point , I had my blood checked, and then re checked again to dial my AI dose in. Once that was figured out they returned to orginal puffy state . Did the lumps grow anymore? Im still not sure, and I dont really care. I had already decided at this point that I had spent 17 years thinking about this. If there was a small chance I could metally forget about this whole ordeal, than I would try. At this time I followed JBs thread on his Gyno tale. It made it real for me, hey a guy I know has this same shit, and he is doing something about it. Oh wow I thought, the thought of them cutting open my shit, and that nasty ass gland, i YouTube'd it, and lipo, and could barely watch. But JB is doing it, I haven't heard him mutter one word of fear or discontent . Fuck that I can do this i thought.
And that was that. I started calling around , researching , doing my OCD thing. I use the power of Google to search out just about anything. I read tons of articles on it, doctor testominials , different forum etc. They all indicated mostly the same thing. If your very low bf% , and its just puffy nipples, than its mostly just gland probably. Now let me state , If i were loaded, i would seek out the best names in the buisness. Would you have brain surgery in Bismark North Dakota, or At a Major hopspital in Seattle? I know which I would prefer. The rule stands here, that a major metropolitan are , is most likely going to have more specialized fields of interest, and therefore a superior plastic surgeon. However I didnt have the means. I found a board certified plastic surgeon 3 hours one way from me, that had a decent portfolio of boob jobs, and seemed to say he was well versed in gyno. He was also the county's on call OR surgeon for immediate emergency traumas at the Hospital relating to plastic surgery, so that made me feel slightly better. Either way finding info on health grades, and or independently researching him was a pain in the ass, and I got nowhere. I sent pictures of my condition in, and they quoted me @ 2,000.00 US for glandular excision under local anesthesia , with oral sedation, ie hydrocodone, and Valium.
We booked a date, and things were set. I prepared. Bought a few things id need like 20 Gatorades, and some easy meals around the house. Cleared my schedule. Got my friend to drive me to and from . For about 2 weeks prior I was very very nervous. Am I making the right decision? Hell most people cant even see it, so why should I care anymore. .. all these things. Then id catch myself looking in the mirror at these damn puffy fucking things!! fuck it whats the worst that could happen?? I was nervous about the local more than anything.
Day of surgery. Doc comes in , I'm sleep deprived ,nervous and could barely sleep the night before. He calms me down , draws some marks around my nipples takes pics, and gives me some pills. 30 minutes latter they bring me into another room. I'm walking and talking but def more tired than usual and slurred. I lay back they drape me up, so my face is looking right at a curtain. Its bright but i don't seem to care. The doctor gives me local through a serious of shots with a 30g syringe into my pecs , and to my relief I don't feel a thing. Hardly a sting of the needle. In fact I feel great. What a relief i think to myself, and I carry on slight conversation with the doc, and nurse as it proceeds. Its over as fast as it started, and my friend helps me into my truck . They wrapped each nip in gauze taped it up, and then ace bandage compressed it over me. The stitches were steri strips. I was to leave it alone for 48hrs, then remove and shower, and re gauze and compress. by 36 hrs i didn't need the gauze,and dropped to the compress. The process was virtually pain free. Id get a twinge here and there, and still 5 days post as I write this I'm not pushing it, but not in pain. I want to flex my chest but I refuse too lol .
The ace bandage compress is no good, its constantly slips down the nipples and actually does the opposite of its intension. I found it better to wear a compress UA shirt , then wrap over that if additional compress is needed. I found the best was actually a UA shirt ''compress ''cut , and one size to small to be the best. Right now Im still healing, and my biggest concern is the nipple returning to its original size. They are still bigger than they should be , i cant tell if its shrunk at all yet. There are two of those steri strip stitches on each nipple basically criss cross at a 45 degree angle, so I'm not sure if there making the top of my nipple kind of jut out, or if swelling just needs to go down, and for the nipple to get used to all the room it has now. Anyways I'm nervous and hopeful.
I hope this experience may help someone make an rational decision in dealing with their individual case. I will report back as I heal and supply pictures along the way. The first two pictures are the glands excised. The next is a natural pre op side shot, of the puffiness of the right nipple. The following is pre op when the nipple is pinched and contracts to smaller more normal size, more concurrent with what it used to be . The last pic is 48 hrs post op . Next pics will be at 2 weeks and 4 post . View attachment 21087View attachment 21088 View attachment 21089View attachment 21090View attachment 21091

Thank you for sharing that detailed and tasteful account of your experience. I myself as I know many others would agree, find Gyno a terrible reminder of the side effects of medications received from when I was 6 years old through college. To be raised in a system that cares for you till you are 18; then its fend for yourself. There is hardly a crash course on how to apply for the correct benefits to aid in getting back on track towards one's goals and aspirations. We the people are responsible to transition the youth into respectable teens, and then into responsible young adults! However, let us not forget the Adults need a little motivation maintain the fire within. The young souled powerful being that is not extinguishable. Both good attributes and bad defects are seen as in his mind.It is important to find the spirit inside to know what you desire to become and don't let go until you have shaped that image in human form. Visualization is key to obtain your greatest rewards. Have these questions and concerns often find seeking guidance difficult More importantly who to trust with your body alteration or other alternatives" wellness rejuvenation". As spiritual beings having a human experience we can disconnect from the emotions that so easily cloud our judgment of greater hands at play for a more divine focus must be able to make educated decision about out bodies if we are to respects its soulful energy. Granted the Gyno may not be a big deal to some as a whole, they mostly cant say the change would tighten the package. We are after all masterpieces of art in this life and any other layered parallel version of this reality we live presently in this immediate moment.

 

[4everGrowing]

Gyno or does this look more like fat tissue? I've been off cycle for around 8 months. I quit lifting when I started my new job & my diet has been complete shit. I did a PCT & never had any sensitivity or estro sides while on cycle. I do have lumps, but it don't seem like they would make my chest look saggy...pics from past cycles and pic of current.

 

[Ripped]

@jJjburton could help you I think he has experienced gyno.

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[Danny27]

Gyno or does this look more like fat tissue? I've been off cycle for around 8 months. I quit lifting when I started my new job & my diet has been complete shit. I did a PCT & never had any sensitivity or estro sides while on cycle. I do have lumps, but it don't seem like they would make my chest look saggy...pics from past cycles and pic of current.

If you have any there its not much. I wouldn't say u require surgery. Try some nolvadex clomid and if that fails letro be careful with letro it can make u feel shit bro its a strong drug. Try what I said I'm sure it will go. I get gyno on cycle and I clear it up every time. Next time your on cycle take aromasin while on cycle.

 

[4everGrowing]

If you have any there its not much. I wouldn't say u require surgery. Try some nolvadex clomid and if that fails letro be careful with letro it can make u feel shit bro its a strong drug. Try what I said I'm sure it will go. I get gyno on cycle and I clear it up every time. Next time your on cycle take aromasin while on cycle.

Yea I'll definitely be taking aromasin next cycle lol it's weird that I never really felt like my nipples were sensitive though. I'm on Nolvadex now, going to get bloods from here on out as well.

 

[Danny27]

Yea I'll definitely be taking aromasin next cycle lol it's weird that I never really felt like my nipples were sensitive though. I'm on Nolvadex now, going to get bloods from here on out as well.[/QUOT yeah u usually feel them itchy or something. My first cycle mine where itchy but I was just a young daft kid and thought nothing of it n just wanted to get big now if I don't eat n train and take the right supplements I get tits lol are u taking nolva on cycle ?

 

[Just Fish]

Gyno or does this look more like fat tissue? I've been off cycle for around 8 months. I quit lifting when I started my new job & my diet has been complete shit. I did a PCT & never had any sensitivity or estro sides while on cycle. I do have lumps, but it don't seem like they would make my chest look saggy...pics from past cycles and pic of current.

Your good. Just lose some weight. I wouldn't worry about that

 

[4everGrowing]

I haven't been on cycle in 8 months, that's why I think it's mainly fat lol I never did take it on cycle either though, just pct. Probably do 10-20mg/day from now on though...

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

I had a sensitive lump under my right nipple and aromasin really cleared it up for me.

 

[4everGrowing]

I'm taking Nolvadex & arimidex right now & they seem to be shrinking. It's crazy that they never seemed sensitive

 

[SenorSuperdrol]

Any itching? I may be mistaken but I thought I read that that was a sign as well. For me I had it because of some pro hormones I used in the military with little research. And just kind of felt with it for a few years. Than when I did my last cycle I read aromasin can help with it and used it while on cycle and into pct and no more lumps or sensitivity. Hope that helps