Steroids, Gynecomastia and Gyno Surgery

[RoidmeDangerfield]

I see it's been nearly a year since anyone posted to this thread. Hopefully someone will read my entry.

I had gear induced gyno back in my twenties and finally had the surgery to have them removed by a plastic surgeon. The first surgeon was such a con artist and didn't do anything. He scammed me and I still had the lumps under my nipples. I later got a referral from an acquaintance who knew of another good plastic surgeon in the area. So a year later I went to have it done again. He didn't put me under general anesthesia. It was local. I was in and out in about 1.5 hours. He actually put the glandular tissue into a plastic container with formaldehyde and let me take them home. I showed everyone who wasn't grossed out so they could see what they looked like. They looked large whitish bits and pieces of overcooked shrimp. I had photos on an old laptop but I can't find them any longer.

I had my second surgery done around 2005, I believe and it was $4K back then. I paid out of pocket. At the time the surgeon told me that he was confident that he got all the glandular tissue out. I have no visible scarring. You have to look closely to see the incision around the areola. Since I was awake I could see all that he was doing. I had local anesthesia. He used a cauterizing tool as he went deep to remove the glandular lumps to form immediate adhesion and scar tissue to prevent the indented caved-in look none of us want. I was a bit loopy from some oral medication I was prescribed beforehand to help me relax. I guess it sort of made me appear/act a bit drunk. It also made me very uninhibited. So when i smelled my own flesh burning (I couldn't feel any of it) I jokingly blurted out, "Hey, it smells like a barbeque in here!! My surgeon popped a huge grin and started laughing.

 

[Lift4lif3]

Really curious if anyone knows of a good plastic surgeon in California ?

 

[Dthcore]

Anyone know any good surgeons in Arizona?

 

[sjinkins]

I’m on 750mg of sustanon a week and 4iu of 120 opti a day. I’m noticing swelling in my ankles since before I started opti so I’m gonna ramp it back to 500mg sus a week. Been on the sus for about a month. When and what should I start taking to prevent gyno? Thanks guys

 

[MFAAS]

The first surgeon was such a con artist and didn't do anything. He scammed me and I still had the lumps under my nipples.

A lot of surgeons don't remove the gland, they just cut some of it away to shrink it down. They are afraid to remove the gland because it is more likely to cause concave nipples, which really look weird and nobody wants.

However, full gland removal isn't really more likely to cause concave nipples if the surgeon knows what they are doing. If you do a google search you'll see there are a handful of surgeons that specialize in full gland removal and have consistently incredible results. It is no more expensive than the "classic" gyno surgery, but it works WAY better and will do a vastly better job at ensuring it never comes back, particularly if you are planning to use AAS (as probably all of us hear do).

I had pubertal-induced gyno that I was self conscious about from age 13 all the way to 28 when I finally got it done...man the relief is immense! I had recently started using PEDs about a year or so before that, and even though I was controlling my E2 it just seemed to get worse still. It was never HORRIBLE, honestly most other people probably didn't notice it, but I did. I only wore certain shirts, constantly tugged at my clothes to try to minimize the way it looked, would mess with my posture, etc. It really sucked.

One thing that is simply not true is that working out your chest simply won't help hide your gyno. It will make it worse! This is because as you build muscle underneath there, it causes the gyno nipple to protrude even further out. So as your pecs get thicker, your nipple pokes out further and further. (Yes, maybe if you could magically only train your upper inner pecs it would "even it out" but we all know that isn't truly possible.)

So I got the surgery done from a doctor in Chicago, I'd be happy to give his name to anyone who is interested. He did an incredible job and is a fairly juicy fella himself...even if he isn't local, you are already going to spend $4-6k on surgery, what is another couple hundred bucks on a flight and hotel room? Honestly, get that shit done and get it done RIGHT!!!

Super happy with it, have the manliest man-pecs ever now. They are just glorious!

 

[Wood4days]

I’m on 750mg of sustanon a week and 4iu of 120 opti a day. I’m noticing swelling in my ankles since before I started opti so I’m gonna ramp it back to 500mg sus a week. Been on the sus for about a month. When and what should I start taking to prevent gyno? Thanks guys

750mg/week sus is overkill IMO. You definitely don’t need a lot of test while on cycle to get nice gains.

I usually take nolvadex on cycle to control my gyno straight from the beginning. 20mg first but if I notice a lump forming I up to 40mg.

I’m sure there other things you can take but I can only speak from what works for me.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Tren gave me bad gyno.. NPP didnt, just Tren... no matter the cabergoline Raloxifene Tamoxifene ecc... so I asked myself.. is tren worth a gyno surgery? I did it and I m super happy... fat under nipples has been totally removed so I m fuckin happy about it... and Tren bring me to life... I fuckin love the anger... the aggressivity... nightsweats and losing fat while gaining muscles... 150mg Tren Ace weekly are more than enough... 100mg EOD Tren Ace is just askin for happetit loss and other issues.. stupid bro scientists..

 

[Jin23]

I'm just 5 days out of gyno surgery. Mine wasn't that bad tbh but I think the op went well. I'm almost pain free with minimal swelling. Honestly, if I didn't have to wear the stupid compression west, I would have forgotten that I had the surgery in the first place. There was no lipo done on me though, so ymmv.

The hardest part of it all is a) sleeping on the back (which I can't do and have now given up on it) and b) not being able to train. I believe though, that I'll be able to train rather quickly. Will start doing legs next week and the next week I'll start doing light push exercises. I don't know though, is it better to do heavy and less reps or light and more reps? When did ya'll start to train?

Also, I'm on 3iu gh and 1mg bpc ed.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

I'm just 5 days out of gyno surgery. Mine wasn't that bad tbh but I think the op went well. I'm almost pain free with minimal swelling. Honestly, if I didn't have to wear the stupid compression west, I would have forgotten that I had the surgery in the first place. There was no lipo done on me though, so ymmv.

The hardest part of it all is a) sleeping on the back (which I can't do and have now given up on it) and b) not being able to train. I believe though, that I'll be able to train rather quickly. Will start doing legs next week and the next week I'll start doing light push exercises. I don't know though, is it better to do heavy and less reps or light and more reps? When did ya'll start to train?

Also, I'm on 3iu gh and 1mg bpc ed.

Doc told me after 2 weeks... and I did lighter... till pec was ok..
Why didn’t you get lipo as well? I thought it was pretty standard procedure..

 

[Jin23]

Doc told me after 2 weeks... and I did lighter... till pec was ok..
Why didn’t you get lipo as well? I thought it was pretty standard procedure..

Why do you need lipo if you only have the gland to remove? Maybe I'm misinterpreting some terms here ...

 

[T&H]

For anyone who had the surgery semi recently, how much did you pay total? I've got a consultation scheduled in 2 months, trying to get a 2nd one scheduled too. I've heard 5 to 7k is the going rate.

 

[FR0Z3N_B0MB3RRR]

Why do you need lipo if you only have the gland to remove? Maybe I'm misinterpreting some terms here ...

lipo means liposuction of fat and in this context is referred to the fat you have under and around your nipples... I had it and surgeon took off even that fuckin horrible fat, now I’ve a rounded lean pec and don’t get fat there nomore... if you love bitchy tits you don’t need it obv, and neither glands removal (• )(• )

 

[MFAAS]

I'm just 5 days out of gyno surgery. Mine wasn't that bad tbh but I think the op went well. I'm almost pain free with minimal swelling. Honestly, if I didn't have to wear the stupid compression west, I would have forgotten that I had the surgery in the first place. There was no lipo done on me though, so ymmv.

The hardest part of it all is a) sleeping on the back (which I can't do and have now given up on it) and b) not being able to train. I believe though, that I'll be able to train rather quickly. Will start doing legs next week and the next week I'll start doing light push exercises. I don't know though, is it better to do heavy and less reps or light and more reps? When did ya'll start to train?

Also, I'm on 3iu gh and 1mg bpc ed.

Yeah the lipo really increases the soreness A TON. Honestly that's really where the post op pain comes from. I was so stiff and sore afterwards I couldn't lift my arms above shoulder level for a solid 2 weeks. It was the worst post-op pain I have ever had, hands down...although I haven't had many surgeries.

GOOD LUCK with the sleep man...my sleep got royally fucked up for a couple months after. I wore my vest with the foam pads in it for 4 full weeks, then wore compression shirts for another 4 weeks after that. I slept on the couch for the first week and the vest/foam would cause me to overheat at night so my sleep was garbage. I would take sedatives, but it barely helped. You should have a much easier time since you didn't have lipo though

I am definitely glad the lipo was done though. Most of my chest was already pretty lean, but the lower area had some fat. If that wasn't removed it probably would've looked weird. Plus now my pec insertions look incredible...though my chest hair kinda hides them lol...basically the lipo took my chest from looking good to fucking shredded and perfectly round, along with my serratus muscles popping more than ever and the insertion between delt and pec looks amazing.

As far as training, ask your doc when you can do so. Since you didn't have lipo I would think it's basically whenever the incisions are pretty decently healed up.

 

[Jin23]

lipo means liposuction of fat and in this context is referred to the fat you have under and around your nipples... I had it and surgeon took off even that fuckin horrible fat, now I’ve a rounded lean pec and don’t get fat there nomore... if you love bitchy tits you don’t need it obv, and neither glands removal (• )(• )

Hm, ok, so I had the right idea. Hm, idk. tbh. We looked at my pecs and he discerned that it's obvious what the gyno is and what's just my normal fat, surrounding the nipple. I'll have to speak to him about this next time I see him.

 

[Jin23]

Yeah the lipo really increases the soreness A TON. Honestly that's really where the post op pain comes from. I was so stiff and sore afterwards I couldn't lift my arms above shoulder level for a solid 2 weeks. It was the worst post-op pain I have ever had, hands down...although I haven't had many surgeries.

GOOD LUCK with the sleep man...my sleep got royally fucked up for a couple months after. I wore my vest with the foam pads in it for 4 full weeks, then wore compression shirts for another 4 weeks after that. I slept on the couch for the first week and the vest/foam would cause me to overheat at night so my sleep was garbage. I would take sedatives, but it barely helped. You should have a much easier time since you didn't have lipo though

I am definitely glad the lipo was done though. Most of my chest was already pretty lean, but the lower area had some fat. If that wasn't removed it probably would've looked weird. Plus now my pec insertions look incredible...though my chest hair kinda hides them lol...basically the lipo took my chest from looking good to fucking shredded and perfectly round, along with my serratus muscles popping more than ever and the insertion between delt and pec looks amazing.

As far as training, ask your doc when you can do so. Since you didn't have lipo I would think it's basically whenever the incisions are pretty decently healed up.

My chest is also lean. I can see muscle striations when I flex it. I am really not sure what he would have to remove if he wanted to ...

Sorry to hear about your pains bro. I'm not experiencing anything like that lol. I can't imagine going through what you're describing, not at this moment in life at least.

 

[Jin23]

For anyone who had the surgery semi recently, how much did you pay total? I've got a consultation scheduled in 2 months, trying to get a 2nd one scheduled too. I've heard 5 to 7k is the going rate.

I paid 1.5k€. And they are considered one of the most meticulous and well regarded surgeon's in my area. If I had lipo done it would have probably been more expensive, but alas, 1.5k compared to USA prices is a drop in the bucket.

 

[MFAAS]

My chest is also lean. I can see muscle striations when I flex it. I am really not sure what he would have to remove if he wanted to ...

Sorry to hear about your pains bro. I'm not experiencing anything like that lol. I can't imagine going through what you're describing, not at this moment in life at least.

Yeah, I could too, it's just even more enhanced now after the lipo. I am definitely glad I had it done, but yes it was $4.5k for the procedure "Chest Sculpt" procedure they call it.

It's all good, the pain is long gone nothing but benefit now. Just was a rough few weeks for a while, worth it though!!

For anyone who had the surgery semi recently, how much did you pay total? I've got a consultation scheduled in 2 months, trying to get a 2nd one scheduled too. I've heard 5 to 7k is the going rate.

I paid $4.3k for one of the best surgeons in the US, based out of Chicago, who did full gland removal and lipo. There was a price increase so now they charge $5,500 I believe. Couldn't be happier with the results and super glad I did it. The clinic I went to was Xsculpt and the doc was Doctor Adajar. 80% of his procedures are gyno removal so he is VERY practiced at what he does and he is also big into lifting, he is a pretty big and muscular dude. Really great guy, someone you'd be happy to hang out and have a drink with! I honestly just can't say enough good things about that place. Also he will do virtual consultations over zoom, which is nice if he isn't local to you.

 

[Jin23]

Yeah, I could too, it's just even more enhanced now after the lipo. I am definitely glad I had it done, but yes it was $4.5k for the procedure "Chest Sculpt" procedure they call it.

Ok, I see. But couldn't you just loose this fat on a cut though?

 

[MFAAS]

Ok, I see. But couldn't you just loose this fat on a cut though?

If I got down to sub 8% body fat, yeah, but then as soon as you gain weight those adipocytes (fat cells) are still there, so the fat will just come back. Lipo completely removes those adipocytes from your body, so you will not gain fat there at all anymore in the future (unless you got super fucking fat and then your body might make new adipocytes there again).

Also, lipo can help the surgeon to shape your chest better--it gives them more control over what the end result will look like. Make it more even, more round, more symmetrical, enhance muscle insertion sites, etc. So while my striations and insertions were already there and pretty decent, the lipo has permanently and significantly enhanced them.

The lipo was done on the entire pec muscle, up to the delt/pec insertion, as well as around the pec near the upper ribs and all over the serratus muscles. If he had only done gland removal and no lipo I probably would have had concave nipples to some degree, which look horrible.

In the end, I didn't need the full lipo (around the nipple would have been fine), but I am definitely glad I had it. In the end, all the fat and gland they removed was a tiny little ball only about 2/3rd or so of an inch in diameter. But that made a massive difference in aesthetic--the entire chest area just looks incredible.

 

[Jin23]

If I got down to sub 8% body fat, yeah, but then as soon as you gain weight those adipocytes (fat cells) are still there, so the fat will just come back. Lipo completely removes those adipocytes from your body, so you will not gain fat there at all anymore in the future (unless you got super fucking fat and then your body might make new adipocytes there again).

Also, lipo can help the surgeon to shape your chest better--it gives them more control over what the end result will look like. Make it more even, more round, more symmetrical, enhance muscle insertion sites, etc. So while my striations and insertions were already there and pretty decent, the lipo has permanently and significantly enhanced them.

The lipo was done on the entire pec muscle, up to the delt/pec insertion, as well as around the pec near the upper ribs and all over the serratus muscles. If he had only done gland removal and no lipo I probably would have had concave nipples to some degree, which look horrible.

In the end, I didn't need the full lipo (around the nipple would have been fine), but I am definitely glad I had it. In the end, all the fat and gland they removed was a tiny little ball only about 2/3rd or so of an inch in diameter. But that made a massive difference in aesthetic--the entire chest area just looks incredible.

Hmmm ... ok, now you got me a bit scared with the concaving of the nipples. I talked to him about this and he said it wont be a problem.

Interesting about the removing of the adipocytes. I mean, I know about all of this, just wasn't aware that it's so hard for the body to create new fat cells. I though about doing lipo around my lower side abs, as it's freaking impossible for me to get rid of them, I have to get down real low on bf%, like 8% app. for them to disappear. And then I thought, that if I did lipo, that they would just come back once I would bulk back up to 12% again ... You saying that if I remove this, it wont come back when I bulk? I never loose my abs when I bulk fyi.