Telmisartan

[Lidocaine]

iirc telmisartan demonstrates significantly more benefits in the bodybuilding frame of reference. I’ll try and find it all summarized.

Any difference in using berberine instead of metformin?

 

[Mac11wildcat]

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Any difference in using berberine instead of metformin?

they act on different pathways, and met had shown benefits not related to insulin sensitivity as well. They are not equal, but berberine, so long as you get a bioavailable version (it’s like single % availability on just raw berberine) is always a good addition.

 

[Jurgen]

I’ve been on 20mg ed, it usually keeps me in the 130s along with 10mg cialis ed that was while on 75mg Anadrol too. Maybe 40mg would be better? I got this from expresspct but I wonder what they would actually test at..

 

[Theworm]

Some studies show decrease in HCT and others show no difference

 

[Millard]

@Bill Roberts wrote perhaps the first article to highlight telmisartan benefits specifically for bodybuilders in 2014:

Telmisartan

Telmisartan (Micardis) is an oral prescription medication most commonly used to treat hypertension, including mild hypertension where blood pressure is

thinksteroids.com

 

[Millard]

Some studies show decrease in HCT and others show no difference

It's one reason everyone should closely monitor their bloodwork when experimenting / self-medicating. Most people don't experience these type of side effects. An important rule in anabolic pharmacology is to never assume you are like most people.

Speaking of hematocrit for example, metformin is considered one of the safest drugs used in the bodybuilding milieu. Yet I learned that for me personally, it dramatically lowers my hematocrit, like from 48-52 to the low 40s.

Be careful.

 

[Theworm]

It's one reason everyone should closely monitor their bloodwork when experimenting / self-medicating. Most people don't experience these type of side effects. An important rule in anabolic pharmacology is to never assume you are like most people.

Speaking of hematocrit for example, metformin is considered one of the safest drugs used in the bodybuilding milieu. Yet I learned that for me personally, it dramatically lowers my hematocrit, like from 48-52 to the low 40s.

Be careful.

Well said.

Different note, I would love a med that lowers my HCT as I hate getting phlebotomy, I’ll have to try metformin…

 

[Bumpygooch]

Regarding only HCT, I take both telmisartan and metformin. Zero affect on HCT. Telmisartan has little to no affect on my BP, either, so, take that as you will. Up to 80mg/day telmisartan and up to 2000mg/day metformin. Just donated on Friday, HGB was 16.4, using the 3xHGB=HCT formula, puts my HCT at 49. That’s also supplementing with grapefruit seed extract, IP6, green tea, turmeric/curcumin and baby aspirin. Also, 5mg/day cialis.

 

[Millard]

Well said.

Different note, I would love a med that lowers my HCT as I hate getting phlebotomy, I’ll have to try metformin…

I don't think this is a desirable way to lower hematocrit as you can probably imagine. The resulting vitamin b12 deficiency can result in lowered hematocrit (anemia) but also have other b12 malabsorption side effects like neurological symptoms, etc..

 

[Theworm]

I don't think this is a desirable way to lower hematocrit as you can probably imagine. The resulting vitamin b12 deficiency can result in lowered hematocrit (anemia) but also have other b12 malabsorption side effects like neurological symptoms, etc..

Good to know, didn’t know metformin caused a B12 deficiency

 

[Astartes]

iirc telmisartan demonstrates significantly more benefits in the bodybuilding frame of reference. I’ll try and find it all summarized.

@Mac11wildcat @Palifter & @Millard What are your thoughts on Telmisartan and Nebivalol synergy? (This is what I am about to start) Would love your input

 

[TheLittleShop]

Some things to consider when using BP meds and Metformin

 

[Mac11wildcat]

Some things to consider when using BP meds and Metformin
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What’s the source? This is nice.

 

[Pantera]

I'm currently on 10mg Amlodipine besalyte and 4mg Candesartan daily. Looks like I might have to ask my doc to change my script to Telmisartan instead. I will look more into the cardiac remodelling prevention benefits that Telmisartan provides.

 

[TheLittleShop]

What’s the source? This is nice.

Drug Muggers by Suzy Cohen.

 

[TheLittleShop]

Here’s another one that’s been helpful for me
@Mac11wildcat

 

[Millard]

@Mac11wildcat @Palifter & @Millard What are your thoughts on Telmisartan and Nebivalol synergy? (This is what I am about to start) Would love your input

For athletes, I would avoid beta blockers due to potential effects on performance. If you need something more than telmisartan, I'd ask about an ARB/ACE combination first. Finding the right blood pressure meds combination is one thing most doctors are good at helping you with

 

[Ryu82]

Telmisartan, Metformin and Ezetimibe might be an interesting combination.

 

[HB_22]

I'm currently on 10mg Amlodipine besalyte and 4mg Candesartan daily. Looks like I might have to ask my doc to change my script to Telmisartan instead. I will look more into the cardiac remodelling prevention benefits that Telmisartan provides.

Amlodipin is a lot stronger for bp reduction than Telmisartan so I dont think he will switch you from Amlodipin to Telmisartan if you really need 10mg daily to control it, but you could still add 20mg of telmi to your daily regiment.

 

[dallascat]

Why get raws? I got 180 days worth for 20 cash at a pharmacy
I love it, my bp is 115/80 on it. Nothing else worked…. Only side is I get lightheaded on it

Script from who?