temptation and striving for more.... but health should be the main goal in life

[foreveryoung]

why are you pumping away like crazy with quick position changes? do you have difficult maintaining wood? how old are you?

this is something i have never had issues with even with low "libido".... my physical wood seems to be fine when im with a girl especially if shes hot and naked. i can leisurely flip her over or difficult positions even if im not that horny and still maintain wood. when im horny obviously it's even easier.

why the breakneck speed yo? lol it's not a race [)]

maybe a little bit of psychological, because wood was good but the thought of losing it halfway tends to cause an "intermission" where I lose the wood for a bit before it will come back, maybe fueled by nerves, so I'd rather not lose wood in the middle of a session if it can be helped

I've gotten into the mode of going fast and hard for years now, different strokes for different folks I guess, lol

when libido is bad for me, wood is nonexistent

I'm nearly half a century old by the way, very often with women half my age

as far as your comment "all that stuff...", it really isn't a lot of stuff, everything has a purpose and it is supposed to be a synergy, when you get to a certain point, treating only one small part of the big picture is generally doomed to fail, one is striving to find the perfect synergy overall so that all pathways are optimized

if you notice, my dosages are relatively low, under 200mg a week, sometimes much under 200mg a week, different compounds are combined to achieve synergy with relatively low doses

 

[foreveryoung]

well I guess this is a little break from my normal protocol as have stuck to the cyp only routine since the other day when I posted that, but today I was hooking up with a girl so decided to throw in 50mg of proviron, but nothing else hormonally

had a great time, took a bit of Cialis this morning and did 100mg of Viagra (still had a bit of worry that I wanted to make sure of things considering I was dropping a large part of my usual regimen), erection quality was really good, this girl did a technique as foreplay I've never experienced before that was amazing, she was gently taking my balls in her mouth and playing with them very gently while using her fingertips on the head and underside of my penis, taking her fingertips to her lips and moistening them over and over and transferring to my penis, the sensation was insane and she had me extremely rigid, couldn't hardly wait to get to the intercourse but it was crazy how hot it was..... anyways, funny enough what Tyler said the other day about slowing down somehow stuck with me and I consciously took things much slower, but what was different was how my erection did not feel fickle in the least and I was extremely aroused, kind of like how when I was on the caber a while back, the girl was driving me nuts and I had to slow down and stop looking at her hot body and face many times because I was going to blow way too soon, I did manage to last a fair while, extremely turned on and enjoyable, but did end up going over the edge involuntarily as the sight of her boobs clicked in my mind and a little spasm by her when I was not expecting it and trying to go very slow put me over the brink

some theories from the day and last couple days... maybe the tren and masteron binding to receptors that wanted test and proviron contributed to a little bit of erection fickleness before? maybe the tren and masteron have something to do with the brain chemistry that made it necessary to go extremely fast with stimulation to reach orgasm? maybe something else going on?

I must say that after today's session I am all of the sudden much more curious about the proviron, if it needed to get some of the credit for things, because if every day could be like today it would be pretty close to the ultimate goals..... of course I think there is still tren and masteron in my system, just that the concentrations must be much lower due to the faster esters of those, so as always, lots and lots of variables to consider, and keep in the record books to ponder over as the life long experiment continues........

 

[foreveryoung]

feel extremely good right now, think I might go with the cyp 25mg/day proviron 50mg/day protocol for a while and see how it goes, so taking a break from the masteron/tren at the moment

things might change as the tren and masteron concentrations dwindle to zero which should be happening rapidly, but will see how it goes and hoping that aromatase activity doesn't start to become a problem in the picture again......

I have noticed and wonder why the body seems to change from times in our life, there must be some longer reacting situation in the body due to shorter courses of hormonal mixes/synergies, good and bad, where when your body finds itself in one state some period of time to have a very different reaction to the same dose and substance at another period of time. If only we could easily understand and manipulate and shift the body into the desirable state at will

 

[foreveryoung]

maybe the fact that I am at my lowest bodyfat % probably ever in my life is a variable too

 

[foreveryoung]

had sex again today, very confident erection, slow relaxed position changes and all rigid throughout, great orgasm that was quite easy to achieve but not too easy

nice to get the double benefits of confidence that comes with confidence in the protocol at the moment with successful sessions back to back


was thinking about the bodyfat % situation and I am theorizing a possibility that the long tren run which made the low bodyfat % possible has made the segue back into a successful situation with test/proviron with no AI, at least right now, and maybe if I can maintain the lean % will be able to continue.... this could explain why something that wasn't successful in the past as far as a protocol goes is now super successful.... who knows for sure but it is a theory that is making sense to me at the moment

I've always been somewhat on the lean side, but never this lean, it just didn't come to me genetically easily to have a six pack and all that goes with it in leanness in all lower abdominals and obliques... the food of the gods that is the golden nectar of tren was able to do it's magic and has changed things it seems and even after stopping it the benefits from it are now starting to be realized more so

 

[cosmos]

FEY somehow I feel more comfortable reading your posts knowing that you've cut back to cyp & proviron... And I may be wrong but your writing seems to have a little more light heartedness to it. I hope this protocol works out good for you.., I do sense that you enjoy the thrill of experimentation though! I get that lol, but as was said before by Tyler, you are looking for something sustainable here no?

Cyp & proviron and can see being sustainable. A couple shots 50mg Mast enanthate per week I can see as a nice androgenic twist to 100-125mg of test... But man shooting up tren ace everyday... Doesn't sit well with me for the long term no matter how much wellbeing and libido one get from it.

All the best and keep us updated.

 

[m_ob]

There's something I've been considering lately, and it took a friend to point it out really. I started TRT over two years ago on Androgel and my first year of results were amazing. Crazy high libido and amazing gains in strength and size. After a year of this, I began to notice changes: a loss of tone, strength, libido tanked, etc. E2 crept up as well and I decided to jump straight into injections. Then I just assumed the gels stopped working...but now I have a different opinion.

I believe the gels would be ideal for everyone (if everyone could absorb them) because of the fact that they do mimic the body's natural daily rise and fall of T levels. There must be a purpose for this, and I believe it is to keep the receptors sensitive to T. In my scenario, I think the HCG eventually built up a decent enough half-life to where my levels never came down. My body got sick of the monotony, and down-regulated.

So what I had was T levels above 1,200 ng/dL, but feeling low T. For those who say down regulation had been disregarded when it comes to the AR, I say..well yes, and no. I understand where the skeptics stand on the matter, because real world bodybuilding results do not match up with a down regulation theory. But we must understand that professional and amateur body builders alike are constantly switching it up. Different compounds, different protocols, it keeps the receptors "guessing", and the blast and cruise gives them time to readjust.

I believe that what I've been doing for the past year: 150 mg/week of cyp, has been keeping me in that down-regulated, insensitive state and thus contributing the the fact that I feel nothing from T. A friend of mine pointed this out after he told me of how he experimented with a temporary halting of TRT for 4 weeks, then a return blast, then a cruise, then repeat. He said he feels it in his libido and he's maintained his muscle mass despite being unable to workout due to a shoulder surgery. Basically, I'm going to try this now. My current way of going about this hasn't worked, so I'm on week one of my time off TRT.

In 3 weeks I'll begin adding HCG again, and the next week I will blast to see if anything good happens. Just looking for opinions, not really arguments..although I'm sure Bill Roberts will come barging in dismissing everything I've said [)]

 

[cosmos]

MOB, I totally understand what your saying about keeping levels too flat being a bad thing. I think it maybe to do with dopamine sensitivity as well... since T stimulates dopamine, to have completely flat level of T would not give much rise & fall of dopamine.

Have you thought about injecting 1 x week, possibly with a blend like Sust? Something like 125mg once weekly subcutaneously to slow absorption slighty and lower e2 a little... but the different esters allowing for a bit of up & down movement in serum levels.

Also since hCG is bi-phasic, perhaps just administer that 1 x week at 500iu's... there was a study I read a while back the abstract of which was 1000iu's 1 x week was more effective at raising endogenous T than 2 x 500ius or any other more frequent division of dosing. I think for many guys aromatisation could become an issue at 1000ius in one shot though...

I wonder if a daily shot of test prop with a slinpin would provide daily fluctuation in serum levels, or whether that too would build up to a steady flat level around the clock... the half life being 4 days I can't see there being too much fluctuation with daily administration but many guys who have tried daily prop say they are having the best results.

 

[m_ob]

MOB, I totally understand what your saying about keeping levels too flat being a bad thing. I think it maybe to do with dopamine sensitivity as well... since T stimulates dopamine, to have completely flat level of T would not give much rise & fall of dopamine.

Have you thought about injecting 1 x week, possibly with a blend like Sust? Something like 125mg once weekly subcutaneously to slow absorption slighty and lower e2 a little... but the different esters allowing for a bit of up & down movement in serum levels.

Also since hCG is bi-phasic, perhaps just administer that 1 x week at 500iu's... there was a study I read a while back the abstract of which was 1000iu's 1 x week was more effective at raising endogenous T than 2 x 500ius or any other more frequent division of dosing. I think for many guys aromatisation could become an issue at 1000ius in one shot though...

I wonder if a daily shot of test prop with a slinpin would provide daily fluctuation in serum levels, or whether that too would build up to a steady flat level around the clock... the half life being 4 days I can't see there being too much fluctuation with daily administration but many guys who have tried daily prop say they are having the best results.

Ideally, I'd go to my doc and say "I'd like to try EOD injections of prop.", but I don't think many docs are down with this type of replacement, and although he is very lenient when it comes to prescribing, I doubt he'd really go for this..That and I wouldn't want to stick myself that much. If I could do Sub Q I would, but I don't know how that works.
Do you see where I'm coming from with the idea that there must be a reason the body fluctuates T? Otherwise it'd be fine for the body to just keep a steady level. It shows some sort of sensitivity maintenance technique..I don't know man. I'm going to give this a try.

 

[cosmos]

Ideally, I'd go to my doc and say "I'd like to try EOD injections of prop.", but I don't think many docs are down with this type of replacement, and although he is very lenient when it comes to prescribing, I doubt he'd really go for this..That and I wouldn't want to stick myself that much. If I could do Sub Q I would, but I don't know how that works.
Do you see where I'm coming from with the idea that there must be a reason the body fluctuates T? Otherwise it'd be fine for the body to just keep a steady level. It shows some sort of sensitivity maintenance technique..I don't know man. I'm going to give this a try.

Yes of course man it makes perfect sense! When it doubt, look at nature and look at what the body does 'normally', and try to mimic that as close as possible. The idea of having totally flat levels with cyp kind of creeps me out to be honest... I want fluctuation there because that IS normal.

Honestly I have done daily prop injections with a 30g and it is no big deal... to me it is much less time-consuming and less hassle than applying Testim, which I have done for a while aswell... and if you get sick of it after a few weeks, take 1 or 2 weeks of just shooting 125mg Sust sub-Q in the thigh (where there is actually decent blood supply and it works, not in the belly or glute).

But absolutely I agree with your premise and it makes sense to me my friend.

 

[cosmos]

The other cool thing about prop is you can alter the daily dose by a few mg's + or - thereby replicating normal physiological fluctuation.

 

[m_ob]

Yes of course man it makes perfect sense! When it doubt, look at nature and look at what the body does 'normally', and try to mimic that as close as possible. The idea of having totally flat levels with cyp kind of creeps me out to be honest... I want fluctuation there because that IS normal.

Honestly I have done daily prop injections with a 30g and it is no big deal... to me it is much less time-consuming and less hassle than applying Testim, which I have done for a while aswell... and if you get sick of it after a few weeks, take 1 or 2 weeks of just shooting 125mg Sust sub-Q in the thigh (where there is actually decent blood supply and it works, not in the belly or glute).

But absolutely I agree with your premise and it makes sense to me my friend.

Exactly! But unfortunately it wouldn't be practical for me to continuously order sust and prop just due to the costs and the legal aspect. Hell, maybe my doctor would go for it, but for now I'm just messing with cyp.

 

[foreveryoung]

was injecting prop every day, now injecting cypionate every day. I like the idea of every day injections

 

[m_ob]

was injecting prop every day, now injecting cypionate every day. I like the idea of every day injections

Do you share in the belief that fluctuation serves a purpose?

 

[foreveryoung]

Do you share in the belief that fluctuation serves a purpose?

not sure, I don't think fluctuation is avoidable because no delivery method is going to be that perfect, unless the question is about large swings

I'm leaning toward trying to avoid those large swings for best results

 

[Drea'An]

No problems with mood swings and why inject every day unless you are diabetic?

 

[foreveryoung]

No problems with mood swings and why inject every day unless you are diabetic?

I don't pretend to know all the variables out of an infinite number of possibilities, I just know that having tried many protocols and injection frequencies that I find myself coming back to daily injections due to finding the best overall results when doing them

 

[Drea'An]

Simply stop doing injecting every day. Scar tissue and lumps.
My good man, I would inject 5,000mg/ml every week because had the money. I got a 10 year stash kept in cold freeze and my desk stash alone with 10 years. BYE

 

[foreveryoung]

Simply stop doing injecting every day. Scar tissue and lumps.
My good man, I would inject 5,000mg/ml every week because had the money. I got a 10 year stash kept in cold freeze and my desk stash alone with 10 years. BYE

I've seen more intelligent posts come out of cut and paste text spinning spam bots. BYE

 

[Tyler81]

How does injecting everyday make sense? T peaks between 48-72 hours according to most studies i have read. So if you are injecting everyday you are continuously getting peaks ontop of peaks.

How much are you injecting?

It might make sense to inject e3d but everyday seems pointless.

You are probably sitting way off the scale interms of TT since you dont test your numbers.

Scar tissue has to come into consideration on a long enough time line