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temptation and striving for more.... but health should be the main goal in life

pretty demoralized having no libido at the moment, just chatted online with the girl and I wish I could confidently go over there and have a great time, instead of sitting at home scared and unconfident

maybe my e2 is up a bit, maybe my brain chemistry and receptors miss the strong androgens, I really don't know, but whatever it is it sucks :(
 
when all else failed in the past, a little bit of letrozole went a long way

I have been avoiding AI's for a long time, but this is ridiculous at the moment, girl wants me to come over, and I am sitting here in total fail mode, I haven't ejaculated in days, should be ready to go instead of in total limp mode, totally ridiculous it pisses me off

it's either some AI or some tren, one of the two, or maybe both, will start with the AI, because in the past the letrozole was quick to show whether it is the solution or not, so if I try that and have a rise in libido in a few hours I will know e2 is part of the blame at least.....


.... just took .6 mg of letrozole... will report back later as the evening goes on
 
well that "improvement" was very fleeting, not much for wood or libido this morning, e2 must have gone too low now

now need to ride this out, might do a shot of test ace to hope to get an e2 boost while aromatase is low and that should clear quickly enough that I can get back to an attempt at a better longer term protocol..... starting to look like the tren is going to be added back in
 
ok, slight protocol adjustment.... dropped the masteron, lowered testosterone dosage, back on the tren, back on the proviron

really don't like the idea of having to use AI, so I am going to try the lower testosterone dose instead, will try to keep testosterone around 100mg per week level
 
foreveryoung said:
ok, slight protocol adjustment.... dropped the masteron, lowered testosterone dosage, back on the tren, back on the proviron

really don't like the idea of having to use AI, so I am going to try the lower testosterone dose instead, will try to keep testosterone around 100mg per week level
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Please give me 3 reasons why no AI in order of priority. Thank You.
 
keriheat said:
Please give me 3 reasons why no AI in order of priority. Thank You.
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well for me it was a difficult balancing act with AI, when I was able to improve libido with AI it seemed like I was getting side effects of aches and pains and felt like I was possibly damaging bone density. to me it seems more desirable to address the problem by dosing the aromatisable testosterone low enough and avoiding hcg so as not to create the excess estrogen in the first place
 
libido finally started to show some life last night, I was starting to get very worried

masturbated successfully last night and orgasm quality was fine

woke up this morning with good morning wood and some libido

it feels like I am getting back on the right path again

current protocol, 20mg testosterone ace 30mg tren ace 25 proviron
100mcg ipamorelin 100mg cjc-1295-no-dac
 
still unsure how the hcg part of this will unfold, did 50iu hcg yesterday, did 25iu hcg today

not sure if this will be best as a very small dose daily, or if there might be logic to more infrequent dosing
 
You've just got too many variables going on. Why are you taking Tren? Why are you taking caber? Do you really need these? To me, you are just throwing things at the wall and seeing which sticks. The problem is, when you lose your libido you have no idea why or what caused it.

There is a reason a simple protocol is good. You make minor adjustments and if something goes wack you know exactly what the adjustment was.

Honestly you should go back to just T and see how you feel. You are just all over the place man. You add in an Ai then take it away. You add in Hcg. You are taking proviron, tren, caber. I dont know what else you are taking right now.

It's just a mess yo.

All you need for a good libido is a good T level and neurotransmitters. And if you dont have depression the neurotransmitters can be achived via exercise like cardio and weight lifting. You dont need to take dopamine agonists.

Your protocol has been working for you but you keep adding to it for some reason. It just makes me scratch my head to be honest.

Ahh well
 
no you misunderstand, I am very aware of all of the components of the protocol

cabergoline was the one thing that tied it all together and is a common element whenever things were working best of all

I have narrowed down the protocol quite specifically to where it is now, the minor tweaks are just fine tuning
 
and the protocol as it has been changing has had times of not working at all, whenever tren was removed from the protocol I was unable to get the protocol to work and suffered from ed and lack of libido
 
saw a girl tonight, was a little worried about erection but that worked out ok, but couldn't finish for the life of me, finally gave up without orgasm

not sure, maybe still not recovered from the last bout of ed? maybe the higher tren? maybe the hcg?

hoping the dostinex does more good things, it has already, I know it takes time so will hold the course
 
Tyler81 said:
...Honestly you should go back to just T and see how you feel. ...ll
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to me, testosterone alone is like a "crude" drug, does a little good if doses are kept low, but try to achieve anything more than just basic mediocre functioning and the sides come on stronger than more benefits
 
woke up this morning with strong wood, and got some good libido going too for a bit, seem to be back on the right track, hope to see continual improvement now on this protocol
 
foreveryoung said:
to me, testosterone alone is like a "crude" drug, does a little good if doses are kept low, but try to achieve anything more than just basic mediocre functioning and the sides come on stronger than more benefits
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Testosterone is a hormone. Most men with proper neurotransmitter function can just replace T and their libido, energy, and physique will improve. I am envious of these people.

Due to the fact I have some neurotransmitter issues, I use T + some mood supports. My libido is decent and while i dont get spontaneous boners or think about sex 24/7 , if i see a hot girl i get horny and i can perform no problem.

Tren is a pretty hardcore steriod if im not incorrect and you could do permanent damage to your libido and sexual function with sh*t like that. I mean, there are guys who do certain steriods and their normal function NEVER COMES BACK. And i'm talking scary shit like they cant sustain errections and no desire.

And anyways, you say T is a crude drug, the only thing that was different between you at 18 and now is you had peak T levels. So technically if you just replace your T levels you should have a darn good libido. Maybe not "pop wood while in class" type libido but as you age there's another reason that doesnt' happen. You have more sex, you get with different girls, and just looking at a hot girl sometimes isn't enough. Remember, when you are 18 you are inexperienced and often a virgin so just the thought of having sex gets you very horny. After you have had alot of sex it's not enough to say just look at a photo of a naked woman to make you super horny.

So there is a psychological aspect to the 18 yr old libido too.

I'm just saying your quest for an 18 yr old libido is a bit misguided.
 
that theory is heard often and seems at first glance to be viable, but the reality that I have experienced is that it is hormonal and neurochemistry that is the real reason, not "being too experienced"

if you get your neurochemistry perfected, just glancing at a nude pic of a woman is enough to be rock hard and full of libido and desire
 
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