temptation and striving for more.... but health should be the main goal in life

Discussion in 'Men's Health Forum' started by foreveryoung, Jul 25, 2012.

  1. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    being off was bad, got a hernia which I believe was related, had autoimmune problems like stomach aches often, eczema, felt shitty and aged a lot in my face, got sick often whenever anyone with a cold walked by and sneezed it was a guarantee I would get it, didn't achieve a lot in life in general while off, needed lots of sleep and never really felt lively, those years are stagnant bad memory years that if I were to do it again I would have never stayed off for as long as I had.... going back to originally, the smartest thing would probably to have never touched testosterone in the first place, but once that was done and the body and system changed, there is no going back

    now I am good, feel strong, motivated, accomplishing lots, look good (I get 20 something year old girls flirting hard with me all the time and have a very awesome steady long term girlfriend now that is half my age) and she is really into me and my body, I never get sick, don't get enough sleep at all but it doesn't stop me from going strong in productivity, sex is great with powerful enjoyable orgasms, I'm finally feeling really happy with my protocol as it seems to be miraculously falling into place finally for me..
     
  2. Tyler81

    Tyler81 Member

    Hey dude,
    Long time no talk. I havent been on the forums much lately.
    I noticed you dropped tren for about a month and then went back on.
    Do you worry about whether you can sustain Tren longterm?

    I mean my honest opinion would be to stick with T alone and then optimize neurotransmitters. You would be surprised what a good mood will do with T for libido.

    My current protocol is 0.20ml T a week and then i tack on some gel towards the end of the week to bridge me to the next inject. That's it.

    I also take a bunch of supplements for my mood like vit d3, fishoil, ashwaganda (lowers cortisol) which help a ton. Also few cups of coffee a day and exercise 3-4x a week.

    Generally i feel stable and good. Libido isnt crazy but its there when I need it.
     
  3. Tyler81

    Tyler81 Member

    .20ml = 20mg per week.
    A ridiculously low dose I know but seems to work for me. No estrogen conversion. Generally feel pretty good. Just feel a drop off around day 5 and i tack some gel on until the next inject.
     
  4. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    good to hear you are finding a workable protocol

    im still not sold on tren being harmful, it does good things for me and i do better when on it... perhaps like you said if i gave it long enough i might be able to adjust neurotransmitters but maybe not, it wasnt something that was adjusting enough in a month or two without tren... not sure why i am so estrogen sensitive but arimidex at significant doses makes more good than bad
     
  5. Tyler81

    Tyler81 Member

    Everyone's body is different so there's no "one sized fits all" solution. This includes dose and also supporting supplements. It took me over two years to find the right combo of vitamins to support my mood. I also tried anti depressants during that time. It's not perfect but ive been (mostly) stable the past year.

    I think the big thing is trial and error and ONLY adjusting one variable at a time.

    If you change more than one variable at a time it's impossible to say what it doing what.

    Estrogen btw is important for mood and well-being so be careful not to tank it too much.
     
  6. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    doing ok now, libido strong, erections are reliable with viagra, physique good, less water retention

    back on my old friend letrozole, for some reason it always worked best for me, I don't know if it is some other hormonal modulation (progesterone?) at different levels but it seemed to always work better for me than arimidex... it's reliable, quick in effect and quick out, dosage can be low and still achieve good things. also cut the tren back to very low levels, not sure why but it seems like the longer I am on tren it starts to lose some of the body recomp effects and I actually get more water retention or bloating on it, maybe that is a progestenic effect or who knows what, but bumping up the tren dose doesn't help and starts to bring on undesirable side effects.... cutting the tren to zero isn't good for me either, it does help libido that seems to go to zero if I try to cut the tren out completely, so I am now using about 30 mg of tren ace per week, and upped my testosterone dose to 200 to 250 mg per week, with varying dose of letrozole between .5 to 1mg per week in small daily or second day dosing. the tren and test are e3d..

    125mg viagra as needed, which ends up being often. nothing else, no hcg, no pt141, no dopamine agonists
     
  7. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    going to try an experiment and give aromasin another trial, the letrozole has been working but I get the feeling that I might be getting a little too low estrogen, but it is hard to find the steady state, function is still pretty good even when I think my estrogen is too low, viagra works so that is good, but libido desire has been a little bit lower recently. I'm going to experiment and drop the tren at least in the short term, keep test moderate, and dose aromasin moderate but steady and see how things pan out as blood levels start to reach a steady state. going to try not to go over 12.5 mg of aromasin in a single day but that is subject to estrogen effects not getting high, will see what happens, and also not sure how the sudden absence of tren might affect libido
     
  8. InfoFront

    InfoFront Junior Member

    Hello. This is my first post here.
    I was inspired to post by your thread.
    I'm a 33 year old on TRT with low SHBG, around 10. I've found that it's virtually impossible to get dialed in properly with low SHBG. I was a patient of Dr. Crisler and he got me dialed in to the best of his ability, but my libido is extremely low, and I can't get a decent erection without my 5mg daily cialis. Before my testosterone crashed a few years ago (due to extreme stress I think), I had a raging libido and great erections.

    I decided to acquire some tren enanthate. I'm unsure as to how to dose it at this point. My current protocol is 50mg test EOD, .25mg arimidex EOD, and 150IU hcg daily. I was thinking I may drop my test to 40mg EOD, and add in 10mg tren EOD. What do you think?
     
  9. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    i didn't like tren enanthate, tren is powerful, and with the enanthate i felt like i lost control of it a bit and it crept up on me and i didnt like how i was feeling and there was nothing i could do but wait it out.... i remember actually throwing away over half a vial of it because i didn't want to use it again... i don't know if my body appreciated more of an up and down with tren that it didnt get with the enanthate, but for me i never did like being on it
     
  10. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    well as expected my libido did take a turn down, dropped tren. added masteron and sticking with test. tried sropping the ai and now on very minimal aromasin dose but I'm not watery so i think I'm ok with estrogen, I've been functional but not a big drive, yesterday my girlfriend was trying to give me a spontaneous blow job in the middle of the day that i hadn't prepared for with viagra and i was just limp in her mouth and made her stop. had ok sex this morning though with maybe the remnants of the night before 125mg dose of viagra still working a bit

    been feeling sick too from a bad pip batch of test acetate that i had been mixing in with the cyp. limping badly and a bit of test flu from it. that vial is going in the garbage after giving it one extra shot chance too many... head sore and in bed with no energy almost all day . hope tomorrow is better my glute is killing me

    tempted to do a little tren ace again.. will see... this is an experiment I've repeated a number of times before with similar endings
     
  11. Tyler81

    Tyler81 Member

    If you keep going back to that well you are going to be dependent on Tren for any sort of libido. Listen to what your body is telling you. Ignoring things your body tells you isnt smart.
     
  12. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    yeah. but same could be said about test or maybe even clomid... dependent for libido
     
  13. Tyler81

    Tyler81 Member

    Test is naturally occuring in the body. I dont think tren is.

    Clomid doesnt help my libido at all. It raises T but messes up my mood and desire.
     
  14. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    sure. but i already realize i need to be injecting something for life so test, tren, or both... I'm going to be dependent on something
     
  15. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    might take a few day break from everything. the cyp will carry me through anyways but I've got brutal pip from an acetate injection and feel test flu and overall malaise... I feel horrible and need to clean out and the cellulitis needs to cool off. maybe the pt141 and viagra and nsaids taxed my liver a bit I don't know bit i feel really unhealthy this week, sore, head spacey and a little achy, joints sore limping around, neck stiff, sweats.... i was even looking in the mirror at my eyes scaring myself looking for jaundice.. I'm pretty sure 99% of this bad feeling this week systemically is due to the pip bad injection, I'm throwing the whole vial of test ace in the garbage.. pip like this feels life threatening in a way, definitely not good. I thought about going for blood tests but I'm sure my levels would be way out of whack by the way i feel and would only alarm as I'm sure I'll feel better once this injection site cleans itself out. I might try to suck it out with a 20 guage needle to hopefully relieve some pain but will see. hope tomorrow is a better day, going through these hyperactive immune reactions can't be good for me
     
  16. foreveryoung

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    last night feeling sick as a dog and with nausea and diarrhea on pt141 I still managed to give my girl a great orgasm, I felt too horrible to achieve an orgasm myself though . i think I'm done with pt141, horrible drug
     
  17. foreveryoung

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    feeling a fair bit better today. took ibuprofen and i rubbed a lot of dmso on the injection site a few times last night which seemed to help
     
  18. Tyler81

    Tyler81 Member

    The thing that sucks about women is that they arent that nuturing. They dont give a shit if you are sick. You should have told her to get you some soup and suck your dick.
     
  19. foreveryoung

    foreveryoung Member

    you are too jaded, my girl is great... she tries to give me blowjobs every day i sadly turn them down more often than not .. I feel bad that my libido can't keep up. that night she gave me a massage and she tried extremely hard to give me an orgasm too, i just got in that dysfunctional state where i couldnt reach orgasm no matter what . just because you havent found a great girl yet don't give up. . ir at least don't deny that such exists. i used to be jaded like you but somehow fate intervened and this girl came into my life and changed my whole perspective. she is a real and genuine very good human being. i love her and i know she loves me. my life is much better having someone like her
     
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  20. rigs03

    rigs03 Member

    Looks like you are messing with the wrong ones. Every single girl I know was obsessed with taking care of me when I'm sick. It's like they almost want me to be sick just so they can.