Test and anvar cycle at 23, how dumb is it?

[thoroughlyconfused]

As I've said in other posts I'm pretty heavily injured. I'm doing all the right things pt nutrition etc wise but struggling to make progress. I want a boost. Obviously will be doing more bpc 157 and tb500 and possibly lower dosed hgh

But how stupid would doing 300 MG of test and low dose anvar for 12 weeks be at the age of 23? What are the risks of permanent suppression with this? I'd like to be able to return to being 'natural' after.

And what's the risk of any other serious side effects or facial aging with this route

Obviously will get pre and during blood tests aswell if I go this route.

I'm also on Finasteride and slowly transitioning to dutasteride and on oral Minoxidil, not sure how extreme with would be on hairloss?

Edit: also my natural test level albiet tested like a year back is 670

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

And why aren't you capable of doing that?

I am and have been? It's not improving

 

[Banana Joe]

Again I didn't gain 40 pounds of fat, how much muscle do you think I'm building with pt?

I didn't gain 40 pounds. 40 pounds was my estimation from how far I was from 10 percent bodyfat after both being in a surplus for a long time and the large amounts of muscle I lost over that time

Ok, so you were always fat?
My bad for assuming that someone having a GREAT diet, doing tons of cardio, and being on the brink of becoming a pro boxer next year, at least WAS at the lower end of a 10-15% bodyfat spectrum. Because then you would gained those 40lbs of fat you keep talking about. And that is not me making unsubstantiated claims, but very simple math.

Also it doesn't matter how healthy your diet is. You could get 500 pounds of obesity eating super clean if you were smashing down 6k kcal a day

You simply don't know what you talking about. An athlete will not get to 500lbs, even if eating 6k of clean food, even when he can't do a lot of strength training.
How do I know? Well, I just did the same half a year ago, after my last surgery. Eating up to 5.5k kcal, soon I was BMI30+ again at around 10% BF, using weights literally less than almost all women use, while also being almost twice your age.
Maybe a Sumo could actually get that fact, but seriously I doubt they eat only 6k of kcal, given they workout for hours as well, and sometimes (often?) do have more muscle mass than a super heavy weight bodybuilder.
Sure, it must the grams of gear that I was taking....
I will tell you exactly how much I ate and took, if you plan to replicate that.

What cardio do you reccomend with my injuries? I'm only doing physio
...
List of excuses
...
Please tell me what this 70 percent of training I should be doing is?

Go figure it out yourself. I am not your mother.
Where there is a will, there is a way. I was able to figure it out without ANY help, and were are talking about a case where grocery shopping had become a monumental task. So obviously I have been in WAY worse physical shape that those injuries you just listed, to justify either gaining, or always having been 40lbs too fat.
Just grow a pair and stop whining.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

Go to the private place and ask them. I'm not even sure how we're talking about this if you can have professionals to help you.


BPC, TB, HGH can help once you are on the right path and actually start healing. Anavar and test won't.

Private health insurance in my country basically just means you can skip the waiting list and choose the doctor without paying full price

Otherwise there's the free option but it's a long wait

It's not about them advising you it's about the actual day of surgery after you know what you need if that makes sense

That makes sense. What dose gh? I can tell you my natural level of igf1 if that helps

 

[Banana Joe]

I am and have been? It's not improving

You are doing it all wrong, and you live in your own fantastical version of reality.
Accepting that fact is the first step to healing physically AND mentally.

 

[hard_gains]

Private health insurance in my country basically just means you can skip the waiting list and choose the doctor without paying full price

Otherwise there's the free option but it's a long wait

It's not about them advising you it's about the actual day of surgery after you know what you need if that makes sense

That makes sense. What dose gh? I can tell you my natural level of igf1 if that helps

When did all these injuries happen? How long ago?

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

When did all these injuries happen? How long ago?

The wrist injury was roughly two years ago but I was fucked around by work and forced to see there shitty doctor who misdiagnosed me, forced me to go to work and attempt to do hard manual labour 'one handed' and just overall kept delaying the injury

About idk 7-8 months ago really roughing that I had surgery for the wrist (which was always needed and was never going to heal without it) and it has improved well. But I pushed it a bit hard a month or two back and had a major flare up. My physio doesn't think it's reinjured just a bad flare up and that I had focused too much on improving strength but not endurance and I need to build up really slowly again

The knee and shoulder were a pretty similar time at roughly 4 months ago

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

Ok, so you were always fat?
My bad for assuming that someone having a GREAT diet, doing tons of cardio, and being on the brink of becoming a pro boxer next year, at least WAS at the lower end of a 10-15% bodyfat spectrum. Because then you would gained those 40lbs of fat you keep talking about. And that is not me making unsubstantiated claims, but very simple math.


You simply don't know what you talking about. An athlete will not get to 500lbs, even if eating 6k of clean food, even when he can't do a lot of strength training.
How do I know? Well, I just did the same half a year ago, after my last surgery. Eating up to 5.5k kcal, soon I was BMI30+ again at around 10% BF, using weights literally less than almost all women use, while also being almost twice your age.
Maybe a Sumo could actually get that fact, but seriously I doubt they eat only 6k of kcal, given they workout for hours as well, and sometimes (often?) do have more muscle mass than a super heavy weight bodybuilder.
Sure, it must the grams of gear that I was taking....
I will tell you exactly how much I ate and took, if you plan to replicate that.

Go figure it out yourself. I am not your mother.
Where there is a will, there is a way. I was able to figure it out without ANY help, and were are talking about a case where grocery shopping had become a monumental task. So obviously I have been in WAY worse physical shape that those injuries you just listed, to justify either gaining, or always having been 40lbs too fat.
Just grow a pair and stop whining.

Jesus you refuse to read anything I've said to spout your own thing off

When injured I was about 10 pounds off fight weight which at fight weight I was about 10-12 percent bodyfat

Over the course of around 18 months of dealing with the tfcc tear being in a slight surplus I put on another 20ish pounds. But obviously during this time I lost significant amounts of muscle. Hence the estimation of being around 40 pounds over 10 percent bodyfat

You also did this while you were on steroids why do you think that's equal to being in a surplus while natural and not resistance training?

If you ate a real 6000 calories daily naturally and lifted weights and wherent injured. A year later you'd be 30 percent bodyfat plus

how are you going to talk big but not understand calories

 

[sionnach]

 

[Banana Joe]

First this:

And I didn't gain 40 pounds I was estimating I was 40 pounds above being shredded. When I got injured I was already 15 ish pounds off fight weight

then this:

When injured I was about 10 pounds off fight weight which at fight weight I was about 10-12 percent bodyfat

Over the course of around 18 months of dealing with [more excuses] being in a slight surplus I put on another 20ish pounds. But obviously during this time I lost significant amounts of muscle. Hence the estimation of being around 40 pounds over 10 percent bodyfat

Ok, so you were 15lbs too fat already, likely even more, or you wouldn't have lowered that number as the discussion moved on, and then gained another 20lbs of bodyweight, while loosing 10lbs of muscle. That puts you at 30lbs of fat gain, while having been 15lbs too fat before.
I really can't see how you only gaining 30lbs , while being in that *slight* caloric surplus, you keep talking about, for recovery(!), is proving me to be wrong about anything I have written.

I did not know that a natural 20y old boxer has to gain 10lbs of fat inbetween fights, but admittedly I know jack shit about boxing. Some of my friends, that just played low level amateur soccer or alike, obviously while being natural, had no trouble staying around maybe 12% BF. Mind you, they drank at the weekend, and had no structured diet at all.

If you ate a real 6000 calories daily naturally and lifted weights and wherent injured. A year later you'd be 30 percent bodyfat plus

how are you going to talk big but not understand calories

You keep shifting the goal post in regards to your strange calorie math.
The last one regarding this was about gaining (or getting to?!I 500lbs on a clean 6k diet.

Also it doesn't matter how healthy your diet is. You could get 500 pounds of obesity eating super clean if you were smashing down 6k calories a day.

Even if that were the case, why would anyone wanna do that???
Nobody put a gun to your head to adjust your "great diet" to become a 45lbs too fat to fight a boxing match.
If you were a math wizard like me, you would realise, that you have gained TWO lbs a month, for 18 months straight. Does that not seem a bit too overzealous, in regards to your recovery efforts?

... blabla ...steroids... blabla

Sure, it is all the steroids and my 40y old ass doing jack shit, while you bust your ass all day in the gym.

Also it's not that I couldn't do push ups because I was unfit it's because I had the wrist injury and was coming off surgery

I am not a PT, but know how ways to train my chest without involving my wrists at all. And I wouldn't even need a gym to do so. Admittedly the stimulus might not be enough to grow my chest, but it likely will be enough to not loose much, if any, muscle, if I were in recovery for a certain amount of time.
Same goes for my legs, if I could not squat - which you most likely still could, and if you had half a brain cell, you would know how to train around an injury, without making it worse.
But again, that might be because all the drugs I am taking.

I got fat to heal myself
I'm done here
Get fukd dude

I must admit, you are much better at condensing pages long whining and excuses why one can't do this or that. Hats off to you!

I know I should stop posting in here, and get back to work, but I just can't.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

First this:

then this:

Ok, so you were 15lbs too fat already, likely even more, or you wouldn't have lowered that number as the discussion moved on, and then gained another 20lbs of bodyweight, while loosing 10lbs of muscle. That puts you at 30lbs of fat gain, while having been 15lbs too fat before.
I really can't see how you only gaining 30lbs , while being in that *slight* caloric surplus, you keep talking about, for recovery(!), is proving me to be wrong about anything I have written.

I did not know that a natural 20y old boxer has to gain 10lbs of fat inbetween fights, but admittedly I know jack shit about boxing. Some of my friends, that just played low level amateur soccer or alike, obviously while being natural, had no trouble staying around maybe 12% BF. Mind you, they drank at the weekend, and had no structured diet at all.


You keep shifting the goal post in regards to your strange calorie math.
The last one regarding this was about gaining (or getting to?!I 500lbs on a clean 6k diet.

Even if that were the case, why would anyone wanna do that???
Nobody put a gun to your head to adjust your "great diet" to become a 45lbs too fat to fight a boxing match.

Sure, it is all the steroids and my 40y old ass doing jack shit, while you bust your ass all day in the gym.

I am not a PT, but know how ways to train my chest without involving my wrists at all. And I wouldn't even need a gym to do so. Admittedly the stimulus might not be enough to grow my chest, but it likely will be enough to not loose much, if any, muscle, if I were in recovery for a certain amount of time.
Same goes for my legs, if I could not squat - which you most likely still could, if you had half a brain cell and knew how to train around an injury without making it worse.



I must admit, you are much better at condensing pages long whining and excuses why one can't do this or that. Hats off to you!

I know I should stop posting in here, but this really too damn fun.

Yes I'm estimating my weight from two years ago? Sorry I don't remember exactly how far I was off 10 percent bodyfat two years ago? Do you?

Has to? No? But I'm not concerned about my weight when not fighting. Like I said bud google paddy pimblet if you wanna see what actual bad dieting between fights is

You literally do drugs to likely have a mid physique and you're talking trash?

Cool? So your friends were significantly less healthy then me but your bum ahh obsessed with bodybuilding thinks being slightly leaner which isn't hard fyi just requires low calories is more important then not constantly drinking and eating like garbage. You are so very smart bro

Bro doesn't understand hyperbole Jesus bloody Christ it's actually annoying I can't tell if you're genuinely like this or trolling

... Ok? The chest strength or lack there of wasn't the primary issue albiet it did get weaker. But the issue was the fact that I had just had a major surgery on the wrist and the wrist couldn't handle it

Because I'm injured? A calorie surplus helps healing? Why the hell would I care about being near fight weight when seriously injured? Why do you think that would be a priority? Seriously?

You think I can currently squat with a torn meniscus and MCL, internal bone brusing, Hoffas fat pad impingement and a high riding patella? Seriously stop commenting you will never help anyone with anything just get people hurt

 

[Banana Joe]

...

I get it, being carrying an extra 45lbs, the equivalent to TWO big buckets of melted butter, is a choice to maximise recovery. Yet you have half a dozen of injuries, that seem to persist, despite you doing everything else right on top of it.
I don't care if your Paddy guy is a fat slob in the offseason. So was Lee Priest, yet nobody in his right mind would advocate for a 212 athlete to get close to 300lbs, when is not preparing for a contest. Especially if talking about health, or how they ate, which you then go on about.
Carrying that much extra fat is making you less healthy, you need to accept that. No need to speculate about my friend's health or eating habits -to which I provided ZERO information - when you have have not met them, nor now know anything about them, other than not being fat slobs by choice.

You literally do drugs to likely have a mid physique and you're talking trash?

We have already established that you are 40lbs, likely even 45lbs too fat to be 10-12%, assuming a normal height and muscle mass, that would put you somewhere in the between 30 and 35% range of BF, assuming you are not 200cm tall like the Klitschko brothers.
Again, this is just math. Many tried to fight math, and everyone, in the entire history of mankind, has lost that fight.

Do you really think that you are the position to speculate about my physique, however good or bad it may be?

Do you think it is just the drugs, that keep me from becoming the same fat slob at age 40, that you are already at tender age of 23? Do you think it is just the drugs that made me loose 8-9cm of waist in a matter of not even 5(?) weeks, while gaining 5kg of body weight, when I went back to the gym, after my invasive shoulder (not wrist, LOL) surgery not even a year ago?
Do you think I did let myself go that much, when I was out of the gym for half a year, at age 23(?), while making almost every single excuse on the planet, to justify why I can't do this or that?


Anyway, I will now stop posting here, as much I want to keep doing so...

While I must admit, that all this is just too damn fun, and that I should not indulge in this guilty pleasure as much as I do - I was dead serious when I told you that accepting your absolute idiocy is the first step to healing physically AND mentally.

 

[thoroughlyconfused]

I get it, being carrying an extra 45lbs, the equivalent to TWO big buckets of melted butter, is a choice to maximise recovery. Yet you have half a dozen of injuries, that seem to persist, despite you doing everything else right on top of it.
I don't care if your Paddy guy is a fat slob in the offseason. So was Lee Priest, yet nobody in his right mind would advocate for a 212 athlete to get close to 300lbs, when is not preparing for a contest. Especially if talking about health, which you then go on about.
Carrying that much extra fat is making you less healthy, you need to accept that. No need to speculate about my friend's health, when you have have not met them, nor now know anything about them, other than not being fat slobs by choice.

We have already established that you are 40lbs, likely even 45lbs too fat to be 10-12%, assuming a normal height and muscle mass, that would put you somewhere in the between 30 and 35% range of BF, assuming you are not 200cm tall like the Klitschko brothers.
Again, this is just math. Many tried to fight math, and everyone, in the entire history of mankind, has lost that fight.

Do you really think that you are the position to speculate about my physique, however good or bad it may be?

Do you think it is just the drugs, that keep me from becoming the same fat slob at age 40, that you are already at tender age of 23? Do you think it is just the drugs that made me loose 8-9cm of waist in a matter of not even 5(?) weeks, while gaining 5kg of body weight, when I went back to the gym, after my invasive shoulder (not wrist, LOL) surgery not even a year ago?
Do you think I did let myself go that much, when I was out of the gym for half a year, at age 23(?), while making almost every single excuse on the planet, to justify why I can't do this or that?


Anyway, I will now stop posting here, as much I want to keep doing so...

While I must admit, that all this is just too damn fun, and that I should not indulge in this guilty pleasure as much as I do - I was dead serious when I told you that accepting your absolute idiocy is the first step to healing physically AND mentally.

The worst thing about dumb people is they get to yap behind a screen saying things they'd never say irl

This isn't difficult I was in a surplus help recovery

No we haven't established that ffs. This is you and your continued refusal to read. We established I was in a surplus, the heaviest I got was around 28 percent bodyfat several months ago and then I cut.... That was the peak weight with 18 ish months of being in a surplus while injured

And then I cut. This isn't difficult if you learnt to read

Yes. Yes I do. You do peds to likely look medicore.

Jesus Christ you have one injury and you literally did get fat then you did peds

I ate well in a calorie surplus and have multiple injuries and when I got what felt was too fat I cut without peds

You're genuinely a sad individual with a inability to read

 

[Elektrobot]

I must admit, you are much better at condensing pages long whining and excuses why one can't do this or that. Hats off to you!

I know I should stop posting in here, and get back to work, but I just can't.

Unfortunately I think we have a wave of this coming with the new members . It's like SSA shut down so now they are all scrambling. Pretty sure this dude was getting advice from the SSA telegram chat before coming here. There is no way he could be so misinformed otherwise. ... or reddit

 

[Kralteramon]

Sorry, i didn't read all the replies but I want to throw this out here. Steroids will only make the mismatch between your muscle and tendon growth bigger. So if you have tendonitis (which i have all the time and it sucks), your muscles will get stronger on steroids but your tendons wont grow fast enough to compensate. Even if you throw in all steroids that have some effect on collagen synthesis, it's better to heal and recover in a natural state if you are a natural to begin with. You're only going to make things worse otherwise.

You need to practice your patience and accept that healing takes time.

Plus, i think you should consider taking a long(er) break from training. If injuries are persistent like this you're probably still doing too much. Just stop training tor a while. It's not worth it continuing, getting nowhere and frustrated.

 

[Elektrobot]

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claims diet is on point.... cholesterol says otherwise

Why is your estrogen so high

And cortisol

ALT and AST are fucked

What were you using that fucked you up

 

[Banana Joe]

Okay, you got me, this thread is gift that keeps giving.
But this will really be the last time I reply, I swear!

The worst thing about dumb people is they get to yap behind a screen saying things they'd never say irl

That is absolutely not true. I don't doubt that you'd equally make an ass out of yourself, if were were talking face to face.

Yes. Yes I do. You do peds to likely look medicore.

*Likely* based on what? Feel free to go through my recent posting history, to find something that would indicate you being right on this. While I, as well as others in this very thread, have quoted many of your posts, to prove our point.
Fun fact: Your proposed FIRST ever cycle is, maybe even quite a bit, more potent, than any of my cycles in my 20's, except the very LAST one.

You're genuinely a sad individual with a inability to read

Maybe I am the former, but I doubt it is the latter. You have to bare with anyone, for not taking notes, and to get a few things or dates on the timeline wrong, when skipping through, what must by now amount to literally dozens of pages of excuses and justifications, for not training and being unable to do this or that.
While you keep going on about how you imagine, that drugs are going to change that sad fact, you are literally asking HOW dumb it is, to do what you had come up with, in the TITLE of this thread - while claiming that you do everything right, in the first, and then in at least every second subsequent post.

And if you weren't so hilariously smug, arrogant and defensive about all this, you would have gotten completely different responses, from me but also from anyone else.


I get it, everyone but you drives on the wrong side of the road.

I was in a surplus* help recovery

Did you ever think of selling t-shirts with that slogan? I bet they would sell faster than a 40lbs block of butter would melt in a steel furnace.


*"slight" = 2lbs of pure fat per month!

 

[BigDadd7]

Okay, you got me, this thread is gift that keeps giving.
But this will really be the last time I reply, I swear!


That is absolutely not true. I don't doubt that you'd equally make an ass out of yourself, if were were talking face to face.


*Likely* based on what? Feel free to go through my recent posting history, to find something that would indicate you being right on this. While I, as well as others in this very thread, have quoted many of your posts, to prove our point.
Fun fact: Your proposed FIRST ever cycle is, maybe even quite a bit, more potent, than any of my cycles in my 20's, except the very LAST one.

Maybe I am the former, but I doubt it is the latter. You have to bare with anyone, for not taking notes, and to get a few things or dates on the timeline wrong, when skipping through, what must by now amount to literally dozens of pages of excuses and justifications, for not training and being unable to do this or that.
While you keep going on about how you imagine, that drugs are going to change that sad fact, you are literally asking HOW dumb it is, to do what you had come up with, in the TITLE of this thread - while claiming that you do everything right, in the first, and then in at least every second subsequent post.

And if you weren't so hilariously smug, arrogant and defensive about all this, you would have gotten completely different responses, from me but also from anyone else.


I get it, everyone but you drives on the wrong side of the road.


Did you ever think of selling t-shirts with that slogan? I bet they would sell faster than a 40lbs block of butter would melt in a steel furnace.


*"slight" = 2lbs of pure fat per month!

I wish I could like every single section of this post.

 

[BigDadd7]

I truly hope @thoughlyretarded comes back in 3 months to prove us all wrong with a pic of his amazing physique changes, including before/after pics. Good luck little buddy!

 

[Kralteramon]

I truly hope @thoughlyretarded comes back in 3 months to prove us all wrong with a pic of his amazing physique changes, including before/after pics. Good luck little buddy!

I feel like we should let this rest. I agree. Let's check back in later.

 

[Elektrobot]

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To end this, you have unhealthy biomarkers. Kiss your steroid dreams bye bye.

Go fix your health.

Ask your Dr. for a Cystatin C and GGT test because your AST and ALT and Uric Acid are out of range. High uric acid with out of range kidney markers can indicate kidney damage. Your bilirubin is borderline, 19/20. That combined with your high AST can indicate liver damage.

You have high LH, high estrogen and high cortisol..... you're looking like an obese guy on paper dude.

Your lipid panel has you marked as high risk. Take that as your warning sign to take action to change it. Steroids are the absolute worst thing you could possibly do right now considering your poor health. Steroids will elevate all of these problems, not fix them.

You are 23 and your bloodwork has warning indicators written in it. Steroids are not the cure. Your lifestyle is.

Go get healthy man. Leave this place. It's not for you.